Obama Eligibility Challenge Moves Forward

[HazelGod]

Yep, even whole books!
The Audacity of Hope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:dance:

Zing! Way too Irresistible!

Welcome to the list, asshat.

 

[Trinity]

Burden of Proof ​

In most discussions of the burden of proof, the burden lies with the plaintiff. The respondent does not have to defend against anything if the case is not sufficient.​

There is an exception however, where the burden of proof is reversed. In a Quo Warranto case the plaintiff challenges the right of the respondent to hold office and the burden of proof rests on the office holder.​

In the United States today, quo warranto usually arises in a civil case as a plaintiff's claim (and thus a "cause of action" instead of a writ) that some governmental or corporate official was not validly elected to that office or is wrongfully exercising powers beyond (or ultra vires) those authorized by statute or by the corporation's charter.

Wikipedia

 

[Pitbull]

In most discussions of the burden of proof, the burden lies with the plaintiff. The respondent does not have to defend against anything if the case is not sufficient.​

There is an exception however, where the burden of proof is reversed. In a Quo Warranto case the plaintiff challenges the right of the respondent to hold office and the burden of proof rests on the office holder.​

Wikipedia

It is just simple common sense.
I was trying to make that point but my Latin is rusty.
And I don't speak leagalese.

Thanks for clarifying :smile:

 

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

Hey. Not all conservatives are irrational!

Here's conservative senator Lindsey Graham. From Huffington Post, partially quoted:


Sen. Graham Calls Beck 'A Cynic' And Birthers 'Crazy'



Sen. Lindsey Graham, (R-S.C.) offered unusually blunt assessments of the fringe elements of his party and conservative media on Thursday, calling the popular and bombastic Fox News host Glenn Beck a "cynic" whose show was antithetical to American values.

"Only in America can you make that much money crying," Graham said of Beck. "Glenn Beck is not aligned with any party. He is aligned with cynicism and there has always been a market for cynics. But we became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers."

Appearing before a crowd of Washington's elite power players and opinion-makers, Graham spoke largely without filter, offering acidic takes on subject well beyond Beck. The Senator called the birther community that questions the president's U.S. citizenship "crazy" and implored them to "knock this crap off" so the country could get on to more important matters.

"I'm here to tell you that those who think the president was not born in Hawaii are crazy," said Graham, who went on to dispel another myth: that Obama is a closet Muslim.

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You go, Lindsey.

It's so refreshing to hear conservatives speak up against the crazy fringe.

 

[Trinity]

The Senator called the birther community that questions the president's U.S. citizenship "crazy" and implored them to "knock this crap off" so the country could get on to more important matters.

Just "knock this crap off" huh...interesting that's exactly what Sen. Graham should say to President Obama. Mr. Obama could easily and quickly clear things up. If Mr. Obama was indeed born in Hawaii as Sen Graham states, in one of the hospitals Mr. Obama throws out when ever the mood hit him and Dr. West delivered him and Dr. West's name is on his long form birth certificate then Sen. Graham should be pressing the President to demonstrate the transparency he claimed and release the documents and put the matter to rest.

It's so refreshing to hear conservatives speak up against the crazy fringe.

Sure. Why is there name calling and requests to end inquiry into Obama's eligibility when President Obama can easily and quickly put the matter to rest? If Mr. Obama chooses not to do that, they need to quit cry babying about voters requesting the vetting that Judge Land justified.

 

[Industrialsize]

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"Graham spoke largely without filter, offering acidic takes on subject well beyond Beck. The Senator called the birther community that questions the president's U.S. citizenship "crazy" and implored them to "knock this crap off" so the country could get on to more important matters."

 

[Trinity]

"Graham spoke largely without filter, offering acidic takes on subject well beyond Beck. The Senator called the birther community that questions the president's U.S. citizenship "crazy" and implored them to "knock this crap off" so the country could get on to more important matters."

Sen. Graham should be imploring Mr. Obama to clear the matter up with what he promised: transparency. If Sen. Graham is sure Mr. Obama is born in Hawaii then there should be no problem with releasing a long form birth certificate.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Re-edited for accuracy:
Sen. Graham should be imploring Trinity to clear the matter up with what he acknowledged: trolling. If Sen. Graham is sure Trinity is born under a bridge then there should be no problem with releasing a long form birth certificate.

Sorry... I had to. It was just too easy.

 

[vince]

Also from the article-

"Reflecting comments made earlier in the day by his colleague and close friend, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Graham said he was deeply worried about "the passions of cable TV" whipping up the emotions of the public. "If you get rewarded for being a jerk you are going to keep doing it," he said, before labeling "Talk radio, MoveOn.org, and the 24-hour news cycle" as the main culprits in polarizing the nation.

"Can you imagine doing D-Day with cable television?" he asked. "Can you imagine writing the Constitution -- you know, O'Reilly says Ben Franklin's giving in on something. Can you imagine having to do that in this environment?"

He's right about that too. There are too many news outlets and too many lazy people willing to be lead unthinkingly str8 into their own comfort zones of prejudice and fear, by charlatans like Beck and O'Reilly.

Maybe someone in the Republican leadership is finally 'getting it', that letting these fringe nutjobs and Glenn Beck & Co set the conservative agenda, is a sure fire losing strategy.

Read more at: Sen. Graham Calls Beck 'A Cynic' And Birthers 'Crazy'

 

[Trinity]

Also from the article-

"Reflecting comments made earlier in the day by his colleague and close friend, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Graham said he was deeply worried about "the passions of cable TV" whipping up the emotions of the public. "If you get rewarded for being a jerk you are going to keep doing it," he said, before labeling "Talk radio, MoveOn.org, and the 24-hour news cycle" as the main culprits in polarizing the nation.

"Can you imagine doing D-Day with cable television?" he asked. "Can you imagine writing the Constitution -- you know, O'Reilly says Ben Franklin's giving in on something. Can you imagine having to do that in this environment?"

He's right about that too. There are too many news outlets and too many lazy people willing to be lead unthinkingly str8 into their own comfort zones of prejudice and fear, by charlatans like Beck and O'Reilly.

Maybe someone in the Republican leadership is finally 'getting it', that letting these fringe nutjobs and Glenn Beck & Co set the conservative agenda, is a sure fire losing strategy.

Read more at: Sen. Graham Calls Beck 'A Cynic' And Birthers 'Crazy'

Not sure if this belongs here because neither Glenn Beck nor Bill O'Reilly discuss Obama's eligibility.



The passions of cable TV aren't whipping up the emotions of the public.

• The fact that Obama wasn't vetted is whipping up emotions of the public.
• The fact that Obama refuses to be transparent is whipping up emotions of the public
• The fact that Obama has yet to address the jobs crisis in this country, but he is pushing policies of deficit spending is whipping up emotions of the public.
• The fact that Obama's healthcare reform won't improve our care, will raise our taxes and is full of sweetheart deals, cuts that are lied about, and government control is whipping up emotions of the public.

Not the 24 hr news cycle. Obama's policies are wrong. It's not the people talking about Obama's policies...it's Obama's policies.

Sen. Graham needs to be pressing Obama to be transparent and clear the matter up by releasing his documents including his long form certificate of live birth.

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

The passions of cable TV aren't whipping up the emotions of the public.

• The fact that Obama wasn't vetted is whipping up emotions of the public.
• The fact that Obama refuses to be transparent is whipping up emotions of the public
• The fact that Obama has yet to address the jobs crisis in this country, but he is pushing policies of deficit spending is whipping up emotions of the public.
• The fact that Obama's healthcare reform won't improve our care, will raise our taxes and is full of sweetheart deals, cuts that are lied about, and government control is whipping up emotions of the public.

I can see the frenzy being whipped up here! It's chaos! Buy your duct tape and bottled water before it's too late!

 

[MovingForward]

So Trinity, please tell me how would you turn billion/trillion dollar debt into a surplus in less than a year?

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Eligible or not, Obama has been a disaster who hasn't accomplished a damn thing yet.

- Czars falling by wayside due to incomplete or incompetent vetting
- Country more divided than ever along ideological lines
- Healthcare Reform about to go bust
- Unemployment approaching nearly 15% in major cities, 10% country wide.
- Recession deepening
- Debt growing by leaps and bounds
- Losing the battle in Afghanistan - the media is quick to report soldier death numbers during Bush's terms, but look at those numbers now - just sad, and rapidly increasing.
- "No more taxes if you make less than $250K/yr" - let's see if he stands by that.
- Transparency? What transparency?
- Taking "a couple of weeks" to evaluate Afghanistan when he hasn't listened to his military commanders on the ground in 100 days or more? This equals more US soldiers dead.
- Wavering position on Iran, even has the French! The French, telling him to "man up."

I know there is a long list for Bush as well, but really, what has he "CHANGED" since he has been in office? Big Fat Zero.

So, eligible or not, he is quickly proving to be the president that gets NOTHING done.

Edit: Here's the numbers. 2007 US casualties, 117. 2008 US casualties, 155. 2009 US casualties, 223. So is the enemy getting stronger or have we gotten weaker? Yeah, you guessed it, since BO has been in charge, our casualty rate is GROWING, and he won't even listen to commanders about what needs to be done. Remember mocking Bush's Iraq surge? Well, it WORKED.

 

[Pitbull]

Hey. Not all conservatives are irrational!

Here's conservative senator Lindsey Graham. From Huffington Post, partially quoted:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html

When did Lindsey Graham become a conservative?

 

[Pitbull]

It's so refreshing to hear conservatives speak up against the crazy fringe.

Glad to hear you find my posts refreshing.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

When did Lindsey Graham become a conservative?

+1 Good point.

 

[MovingForward]

Eligible or not, Obama has been a disaster who hasn't accomplished a damn thing yet.

- Czars falling by wayside due to incomplete or incompetent vetting
- Country more divided than ever along ideological lines
- Healthcare Reform about to go bust
- Unemployment approaching nearly 15% in major cities, 10% country wide.
- Recession deepening
- Debt growing by leaps and bounds
- Losing the battle in Afghanistan - the media is quick to report soldier death numbers during Bush's terms, but look at those numbers now - just sad, and rapidly increasing.
- "No more taxes if you make less than $250K/yr" - let's see if he stands by that.
- Transparency? What transparency?
- Taking "a couple of weeks" to evaluate Afghanistan when he hasn't listened to his military commanders on the ground in 100 days or more? This equals more US soldiers dead.
- Wavering position on Iran, even has the French! The French, telling him to "man up."

I know there is a long list for Bush as well, but really, what has he "CHANGED" since he has been in office? Big Fat Zero.

So, eligible or not, he is quickly proving to be the president that gets NOTHING done.

Edit: Here's the numbers. 2007 US casualties, 117. 2008 US casualties, 155. 2009 US casualties, 223. So is the enemy getting stronger or have we gotten weaker? Yeah, you guessed it, since BO has been in charge, our casualty rate is GROWING, and he won't even listen to commanders about what needs to be done. Remember mocking Bush's Iraq surge? Well, it WORKED.

I liked the GI bill he signed for the military, that lets soldiers pass on the money to their kids,

Other than that, see you in 4 years and let's see what has been accomplished.

I don't agree that the country is more divided than ever, you just have people being more vocal about it.

 

[Trinity]

Bill would force Obama to reveal birth documents
[SIZE=+1]Hawaii senator: 'Why wouldn't they be available to the public?'[/SIZE]

Hawaii state Sen. Will Espero, a Democrat, has confirmed plans to introduce legislation through which the state's lawmakers would force the public disclosure of all President Obama's birth documents held by the Hawaii Department of Health, including President Obama’s long-form original birth certificate.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

I don't agree that the country is more divided than ever, you just have people being more vocal about it.

I think you may have a point there. I think people are just more "irritable" on across the spectrum, because, at least at this point, I don't think either the "conservatives" or the "liberals" are happy with what is going on.

 

[deleted15807]

Is ANYONE in the wacko fringe listening?

Graham to birthers: ‘Knock this crap off’

Graham told a group of Washington power players that the fringe group of conspiracy theorists did not reflect the beliefs of the GOP and that they needed to move on.

“The people who are doing unfair and unkind things to the president, it says more about them than it does the Republican Party,” said Graham. “But here’s what the Republican Party has to do: we have to say ‘that’s crazy.’

“I’m here to tell you that those who think the president was born somewhere other than Hawaii, you’re crazy. He’s not a Muslim, he’s a good man. Let’s knock this crap off and talk about the real differences we have.”
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