Obama Eligibility Challenge Moves Forward

[vince]

You can expect a lengthy refutation of this point by point, with multiple quoted sources, pretty colors, bold type, and youtube clips. You can take that to the bank......I'm sure she's hard at work now.....It should be good.....

Oh no doubt. Hate is a powerful emotion and clear and logical decision by a Federal Court judge will not be changing any minds.

 

[D_Cleon W Ballbreath IV]

Anyone who still thinks that their birther arguments hold any water should read the desicion handed down by Judge Land.

It's available here-
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wtvm/ConnieRhodesvsArmy.pdf

It's not long and quite a good read. He basically destroys all the points we've heard here for the last six months.

My favorite part, on page 9: "Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."

 

[B_VinylBoy]

My favorite part, on page 9: "Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."

UH-UUUHHH!!! :biggrin1:

 

[Bbucko]

Chalk up another defeat for magical thinking.

 

[Trinity]

You can expect a lengthy refutation of this point by point, with multiple quoted sources, pretty colors, bold type, and youtube clips. You can take that to the bank......I'm sure she's hard at work now.....It should be good.....

Not necessary. Based on what the Judge stated in his decision, a couple of issues are still outstanding. Keyes presented a case before election day and after Obama was elected. There is a procedure for vetting prior to election and when the electoral votes are counted. There is also a procedure for Congress to address the issue, but as previously stated there is already precedent that the courts can address after that process.

Also, what if a one party majority does not wish to vett their own presidential candidate which is what is being asserted here? The Supreme Court should address the issue. And answer the Natural Born Citizenship question of course. Which is why the cases will be appealed. If the Supreme Court refuses to address the issue, Obama will not be escaping the matter he will be only postponing it to end of a very tough term in office because his evasion on the issue will not be tolerated again. :smile:

What I find interesting is...Obama refuses to present his long form birth certificate (and other applicable documents) to verify he meets the criteria set out in the Constitution but the American voter is called derogatory names, accused of racism and presented as wrong for asking for the very vetting process Judge Land stated in his decision should have taken place.

Based on that alone...as they say: this ain't over.

 

[Industrialsize]

"Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."

 

[Trinity]

"Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."

And that goes for Obama as well.

 

[Pitbull]

The decision by Judge Land reads like it was written by a member of the Obama defense team.

 

[Industrialsize]

The decision by Judge Land reads like it was written by a member of the Obama defense team.

Yeah, it's a funny thing how the LAW favors the TRUTH.

 

[Trinity]

Yeah, it's a funny thing how the LAW favors the TRUTH.

It sure does. Sooner or later the truth comes out. :smile:

 

[HazelGod]

Anyone who still thinks that their birther arguments hold any water should read the desicion handed down by Judge Land.

It's not long and quite a good read. He basically destroys all the points we've heard here for the last six months.

Defendants shall recover their costs from the Plaintiff.

Awesome. :biggrin1:

 

[Trinity]

Defendants shall recover their costs from the Plaintiff.

Awesome. :biggrin1:

If the long form birth certificate is ever released and shows anything other than what Obama stated, that may mean nothing.

 

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

Will you people give this argument up. The man is president. He isn't going to stop being president just because people are arguing about his birth certificate. Move to on making a difference in the community where you live.

 

[deleted15807]

Will you people give this argument up. The man is president. He isn't going to stop being president just because people are arguing about his birth certificate. Move to on making a difference in the community where you live.

No better words were spoken: Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

 

[Trinity]

No better words were spoken: Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

What in the world does that have to do with a constitutional requirement for the President of the United States?

All Obama had to do was present the transparency he promised and present his long form Certificate of Live Birth. Obama sealing documents and playing the legal game only postpones the verification of his eligibility.

To go along with your reference...what's done in the dark will come to the light.

 

[Pitbull]

Obama sealing documents and playing the legal game only postpones the verification of his eligibility.

Why would he want to do that?
If he were eligible, the easy and the right thing to do would be to provide the document that would back up his claim to the presidency.

Maybe he is trying to totally avoid the verification of his ineligibility.

 

[HazelGod]

:dunce:

 

[SilverTrain]

The decision by Judge Land reads like it was written by a member of the Obama defense team.

Translation: "I don't like what this says!"*



* As per the Limbaugh/Hannity Guide to Clinging to Irrational Arguments

 

[vince]

The decision by Judge Land reads like it was written by a member of the Obama defense team.

"Counsel makes these allegations although a “short-form” birth certificate has
been made publicly available which indicates that the President was
born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961." 3

3. "The Court observes that the President defeated seven opponents in
a grueling campaign for his party’s nomination that lasted more than
eighteen months and cost those opponents well over $300 million. See
Federal Election Commission, Presidential Pre-Nomination Campaign
Disbursements Dec. 31, 2008, http://www.fec.gov/press/press2009/
20090608Pres/3_2008PresPrimaryCmpgnDis.pdf (last visited Sept. 15, 2009).
Then the President faced a formidable opponent in the general election who
received $84 million to conduct his general election campaign against the
President. Press Release, Federal Election Commission, 2008 Presidential
Campaign Financial Activity Summarized (June 8, 2009), available at
20090608PresStat. It would
appear that ample opportunity existed for discovery of evidence that would
support any contention that the President was not eligible for the office
he sought.
Furthermore, Congress is apparently satisfied that the President is
qualified to serve. Congress has not instituted impeachment proceedings,
and in fact, the House of Representatives in a broad bipartisan manner has
rejected the suggestion that the President is not eligible for office.
See H.R. Res. 593, 111th Cong. (2009) (commemorating, by vote of 378-0,
the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood and stating, “the 44th
President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August
4, 1961&#8221."

"Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of
proof, Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to
prove his “natural born” status. (Id. ¶¶ 136-138, 148.) Thus,
Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty
and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a
citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his
innocence” to “charges” that are based upon conjecture and
speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily
recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and
preserve” those very principles."

I luv making things bold!

 

[Industrialsize]

I LOVE this smackdown!

Any middle school civics student would readily
recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and
preserve” those very principles."