Obama-EPA Moving Quietly to Impose Gas Tax

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if the GreedyOpressivePoluters want lower prices at the pump so bad, why do they jack the prices by hoarding it, just to sell at a higher price?

Hahahaha I love it when I hear a new acronym for the GOP.

The one I love best is Governance Of Prostitutes !!!

Cause 95% of them are whores for Special interests like BIG OIL !!!


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Liberals want everyone to buy small cars. I think people will just drive more with a car that gets 50 mpg.
I drive a 4 cyl nissan truck that only gets 26 mpg.
Oh that explains the Wholefood parking lot full of Range Rovers with Obama bumper stickers on them.
 

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Oh that explains the Wholefood parking lot full of Range Rovers with Obama bumper stickers on them.
wholefoods checks voter reg cards upon entrance to the parking lot?? I approve!

those rovers belong to the GreedOverPeople that shop there and voted for Obama cause they didnt' want a POW on his deathbed to kick the bucket in office and leave it to a bear cub orphaning quitter to fix things.

id say wholefoods customer base is easily 40% conservatives or more...who the fuck else could afford to shop there AND still make payments on a rover?
 
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TAXES ARE AT A HISTORIC 50 YR LOW, anyone else that tells you differently, is either a complete moron or a LIAR!
Our poor country is absolutely starved for revenue and the seniors and impoverished feel it more than anyone.

Cause 95% of them are whores for Special interests like BIG OIL !!


*sigh* Focus on taxes but ignore that spending is at an all time high. "Our Poor Country" isn't starved for revenue, it is overspending. The U.S. has a spending problem on a fixed income.

95% of the GOP are whores for special interest? and the Dems are not? That means you ignore that Obama's top contributors for election include Goldman-Sachs, Sony, Microsoft, Chase Bank...

This is a both sides of the aisle problem. Both are corporate whores, pointing at one while ignoring the other just makes you part of the problem.:banghead2:
 

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if the GreedyOpressivePoluters want lower prices at the pump so bad, why do they jack the prices by hoarding it, just to sell at a higher price?

Feds Promise Action On Wall Street Speculation Blamed For High Gasoline Prices - NASDAQ.com

Who's to blame for high gas prices? - CBS News

Oil speculation not Obama is the cause of rising gas prices - Chicago Civil Rights | Examiner.com




Are gas prices really that high?

Code:
Nation	City	Price in USD Regular/Gallon
Netherlands	Amsterdam	$6.48
Norway	 Oslo	                $6.27
Italy	         Milan	        $5.96
Denmark	 Copenhagen         $5.93
Belgium	 Brussels	        $5.91
Sweden	 Stockholm	        $5.80
UK	      London  	        $5.79
Germany	 Frankfurt	        $5.57
France	 Paris	                $5.54
Portugal	 Lisbon	        $5.35
Hungary	 Budapest	        $4.94
Luxembourg		        $4.82
Croatia	 Zagreb	          $4.81
Ireland	 Dublin	          $4.78
Switzerland	 Geneva     	 $4.74
Spain	        Madrid	        $4.55
Japan  	Tokyo	          $4.24


FTR- US gas prices adjusted for 2012 dollars.
George W. Bush: $4.27
Barack Obama: $3.97
Ronald W. Reagan: $3.65
Jimmy Carter: $3.57
George H.W. Bush: $2.30
William J. Clinton: $2.19

you should check your numbers im in japan every 4 weeks and the rate you gave is per liter not gallon
 

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I found a way make Liberals happy

I will drive slow to save on gas and not worry about the upset drivers behind me :)

I have a mpg computer in truck.
 
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This is a both sides of the aisle problem. Both are corporate whores, pointing at one while ignoring the other just makes you part of the problem.

Bottom line is you stand a far better chance of pulling a democrat over to your side than a republican. period. In this world, in this country, in this moment in time you only have two choices and one is some vile Ayn Rand/Machiavellian hybrid of an entity that continues to metastasize into something far far deadly while the other you can actually hold an intelligent conversation with.

As far as the corporate whoring one need not blame the politicians. They know to win campaigns cost money. Big money. And they cost that much because the electorate is lazy and stupid and you need to buy costly ads and other crap to get them to vote for you. Never mind it's all lies. The electorate eats it up.
 

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I found a way make Liberals happy

I will drive slow to save on gas and not worry about the upset drivers behind me :)

I have a mpg computer in truck.

Are you that guy I saw driving that has guzzler, racing from stop light to stop light, the other day with a huge sticker on the back window that said "FUCK HYBRIDS!" ?
 

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*sigh* Focus on taxes but ignore that spending is at an all time high. "Our Poor Country" isn't starved for revenue, it is overspending. The U.S. has a spending problem on a fixed income.

We don't have a fixed income... we have an income that the GOP keeps CUTTING by giving the richest people a free ride.

If not for Bush's TWO tax cuts to the 1% and the TWO wars he larded onto our deficit, we would not HAVE a deficit.

Clinton left him a federal revenue that was cash positive.



95% of the GOP are whores for special interest? and the Dems are not? That means you ignore that Obama's top contributors for election include Goldman-Sachs, Sony, Microsoft, Chase Bank...
I would say that about 45% of democrats are whores to special interests-- those some of those special interests are actually kinda GOOD for the middle class, like Unions.

Whereas 95% of Republicans are total sell outs to the most avaricious interests in the country.


So, even tho both sides got problems, you still stand a much better chance of decent governance by voting democratic.






This is a both sides of the aisle problem. Both are corporate whores, pointing at one while ignoring the other just makes you part of the problem.:banghead2:

Well, okay... but that is ignoring that Democrats are whores whose policy ideas actually make things better for the majority of Americans, and Republicans are whores whose Policy ideas are Destroying the economy and the middle class.

Really- you guys HAD 12 long years of legislative dominance.
And it culminated in a HUGE disaster.

You whine all over about private profits... but when the losses are gargantuan, suddenly the Losses are PUBLIC.

The GOP is only interested in increasing the speed at which wealth can be concentrated in the hands of the few ( and they count themselves in that group. )
The last time income inequity was thins bad was 1915... the robber baron period- that resulted in the crash of wall street, the great depression, Labor riots, and abject poverty.
The rich guys took ALL the money, and left everyone else to swing.

That is what you advocate when you back the GOP.


De-regulation caused this problem and deregulation has been and IS a REPUBLICAN policy agenda.

These are YOUR boys policies and the economic disaster is the consequence of those polices.

Its what YOUR team has been championing for decades.

OWN IT. because its all yours.
 

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We don't have a fixed income... we have an income that the GOP keeps CUTTING by giving the richest people a free ride.

If not for Bush's TWO tax cuts to the 1% and the TWO wars he larded onto our deficit, we would not HAVE a deficit.

Clinton left him a federal revenue that was cash positive.

To blame tax cuts while ignoring the increases in spending as well as wasteful redundant spending, ignores the majority of the problem.

Saying we wouldn't have a deficit without Bush, either of them, is speculation. Not fact. What is fact is that Congress, especially the House of Representatives (Since all spending bills originate there) have more to do with spending than any President ever will. During Bush Sr.'s administration the Congress was controlled by Dem's. During Clinton's years that you laud, both houses were controlled for 6/8 years by Republicans. And during Bush Jrs years Congressional control flip flopped equally.

This isn't to credit the Republicans with anything but rather to point out that government isn't one office, and that both parties have both had their shot in the past "12" years in Congress, including your "Cash Positive" period, and have grown the deficit.




I would say that about 45% of democrats are whores to special interests-- those some of those special interests are actually kinda GOOD for the middle class, like Unions.

Whereas 95% of Republicans are total sell outs to the most avaricious interests in the country.

So, even tho both sides got problems, you still stand a much better chance of decent governance by voting democratic.

Well this is all conjecture. These percentages mean nothing because there are no facts behind them. I would more likely believe that for the most part politicians are more similar creatures than dissimilar, especially in their acceptance of lobbying and lobbying money than to simply make up numbers that favor the party I agree with and vilify the party I do not as you have just done.


Well, okay... but that is ignoring that Democrats are whores whose policy ideas actually make things better for the majority of Americans, and Republicans are whores whose Policy ideas are Destroying the economy and the middle class.

Again, conjecture. Evidence points that both parties are equally destructive to things being "better" for the majority of Americans.

Really- you guys HAD 12 long years of legislative dominance.
And it culminated in a HUGE disaster.

You whine all over about private profits... but when the losses are gargantuan, suddenly the Losses are PUBLIC.

There you go again attributing positions to me that are not my own. I am not a Republican. I am not the GOP. And regardless, I have already provided you with evidence that it is a myth that EITHER party enjoyed legislative dominance for the past 12 years.

The GOP is only interested in increasing the speed at which wealth can be concentrated in the hands of the few ( and they count themselves in that group. )
The last time income inequity was thins bad was 1915... the robber baron period- that resulted in the crash of wall street, the great depression, Labor riots, and abject poverty.
The rich guys took ALL the money, and left everyone else to swing.

This is a total myth. The period leading up the Great Depression was one of the most prosperous times in America for the common man. Certainly there were Robber Barons, there are always Robber Barons (you think they are a thing of the past?). But if America was run by rapacious monopoly Capitalists then it is inconceivable why millions upon millions of immigrants migrated here during that time. If they were being ground beneath the boot of the Robber Barons why would they come here and then continue to send for their friends and family to come here? If farmers were exploited why did their numbers increase? Why did the price of farmland increase? Because a lack of farmers and demand for farmland? Gov spending is surely an indicator of the size of governments role at any given time... from 1900 - 1929 spending did not grow larger than 12% 2/3rds of which was by State and local government. Federal spending was only 3% of the National Income.

The Great Depression wasn't a failure of all this success (which sounds silly doesn't it?) It was a failure of government to do what it is empowered to do in Sec 8 , Article 1 of the Constitution. It failed through it's use of the Federal Reserve. Previous to this period, most notably in 1907, there was a similar crash and run on banks. It was largely averted by the banks themselves restricting payments. Once the Fed was in charge it failed to restrict payments until the end of the Depression, thus causing the recession to worsen into the depression and become so long and far reaching as to become "Great". This is also coupled with the Fed's failure at accomplishing it's other stated goal, which was regulating the value of the dollar.

Finally, and back to the main point I was making in my original post. Government, Republican or Democrat, is the problem. Good intentions do not translate, especially in government, to good results for a multitude of reasons and I think it's easier to see by the growth of government and thus the growth of our deficit under both parties that something is fundamentally wrong with both of them.
 

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To blame tax cuts while ignoring the increases in spending as well as wasteful redundant spending, ignores the majority of the problem.

I am not ignoring them... I am pointing out that for 12 years a GOP controlled Congress did BOTH... with 8 of those years under a GOP administration.


Get it thru your historically uneducated skull... the GOP INCREASED SPENDING... FAR MORE than was reflected in their "budgets" because Bush did NOT put the TWO WARS on the budget. He paid for them with repeated, separate emergency funding bills that the GOP shoved thru several times per year.
He also- BTW- significantly added to medicare costs with a prescription funding bill-
AND the GOP signed legislation creating the department of Homeland Defense... which has added a SECRET amount to the deficit.

WHILE drastically increasing spending, the GOP decided to CUT federal revenue.
And this whole 8 years... WHERE WERE YOUR CONSERVATIVE CRIES ABOUT THE MOUNTING DEFICIT?! Answer- nowhere... the deficit is NEVER a problem for the GOP when the GOP is in control.

This is analogous to a private citizen deciding to send his teenager to an Ivy League school ... and THEN asking his boss to cut his pay!.


After the crash of 29, A GOP president decided that Cutting the deficit was the most important thing... and the result was that something that was really bad in 29, became disastrously bad by 32.

FDR did the opposite, initially... he deficit spent by investing in infrastructure all across the US... putting people to work building Future productive capacity and opportunity. And it was working really well, in his first 4 years FDRs programs significantly reduced unemployment.

However- the GOP, winning back a chamber of congress, railed all about the deficit... and in his second term FDR had to compromise and allow cost cutting...
The result? The depression worsened.
The stimulus spending under FDR was not enough to counteract the damage.

UNTIL WHAT? WWII. The US incurred MASSIVE deficit spending in prepping and prosecuting that war. Thanks to water, power and road projects paid for by FDR, US industry was, at the time, the most advanced and efficient in the world... and it was the productivity brought on thru Massive government spending that finally pulled the US out of the depression.


The GOP is a bunch of LYING TRAITORS to the American working class.

They GOP leadership knows full well that the deficit is bullshit. That's why they don;t make any noise about it when they have the wheel.

They know full well that Massive government spending is the ONLY thing that makes the economy recover from a bad time- That is partly why they spent so massively after the DotCom bubble burst in 2000.

AND they know full well that CUTTING SPENDING- when the economy is on the ropes -makes the economy worse.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THEY WANT TO CUT SPENDING... to make the economy worse, to KEEP americans unemployed, so they will take out their frustration on the president in the next election.
That was their strategy against FDR and that is what they are doing now.
Oconnel even flat out said that that is the SOLE objective of the GOP in congress... NOT to rescue the economy, but to defeat Obama

The GOP could give a shit about the suffering of the working class... they are simply USING it to try and get power back, so they can shift MORE public money into private hands, faster.


The TRUTH is... Cutting spending is what you do, since the economy is back... the truth is that the government HAS to deficit spend in bad times, to help the economy recover.... However it is USELESS for the government to spend on disposable things like missiles and ammunition.
Government deficit spending in a recession is an INVESTMENT in the future.
So that money should be spent only on things that promise to return more than they cost in future productivity.

like improved roads and rail, Like modernizing our power and wireless grids, like new technologies that will make the US less dependent on environmentally devastating energy sources.

These employ the blue collar class... puts money in their pockets and they spend that money.... that money can then rise thru the economy- doing work all the way... and don't you fret for the wealthy... they will still get their share of the profits on all those goods and services.

Stop being a tool of idiotic emotionalism that is meant to manipulate you to be pissed off at people who have Nothing, when you should be pissed off at the people who have EVERYTHING.

Try educating yourself as to where your REAL self interest lies, and what policies are actually doing the damage that YOU have to suffer.

If the GOP policies worked at anything other than transferring ever more wealth to the already wealthy... I would be in favor of them.

But they don't work. They have impoverished this nation.

Our roads are crumbling... why? Because ever since Reagan people have been sold this stupid idea that Government is "bad". and allowed their proud and powerful country to be disemboweled.

We are rapidly being passed by, by other countries where people still demand that their government be a tool for solving problems... rather than avoiding them.



When times get tough, you tighten your belt, sure...

But if you need to incur debt, to buy a new car, because That car will allow you to get to a better paying job... then you BUY THE CAR.


And when you don't have enough money to pay for grandma's medicine.... you DONT just cut her off and let her die...
You get a SECOND job and make more money.

cutting revenue while increasing spending thru two wars was Financially Irresponsible. De-regualting banking and finance and markets LEGALIZED fraud and market manipulations that RUINED the world wide economy....
And that was ALL the GOP.

THAT is where our massive deficit came from. 30 years of UNDERFUNDING govenrment. And GOP doubling of deficits.


All economic indicators were falling off a cliff during Bush's last two years.

It only took Obama and a democratic congress 5 months to halt that fall, and since then every economic indication has reverse and is improving.

And the GOP winning back the house has only SLOWED the recovery.


face the facts.

Start basing your political ideology on what really happened and why... and not on some emotional pack of outright lies and misinformation.
 

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There's something wrong with the petrol ("gas") prices quoted above. The UK press has recently reported that UK prices have pranged $10 per US gallon. It makes a headline - in the UK we price in pounds per litre (about £1.40) and used to price in imperial gallons. The underlying point is that UK prices are shockingly horrible.

For many unremarkable family cars a full tank of petrol is now £100. A consequence of recent hikes has been a sharp reduction in the number of miles driven. If the USA is determined to get down carbon emissions then "gas" has to be priced so high that people buy less of it. A dollar or two per gallon probably won't work as people prioritise their motoring. It has to be so high that it really hurts.

If the UK can tolerate $10 per gallon the USA should lead the world with $20 per gallon. Shall I suggest this to the presidential candidates?
 

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I dont remember where I pasted that from...but the prices for most countries are listed way too low. Its like they forgot to switch liters to gallons....?
Sorry, its such a hassle to fact check when posting from my phone.

I'm at work out I'd look up some more accurate numbers.

if anyone wants to, feel free to look up and post some more accurate numbers.

The fact is, we in thr states have been paying way too low a price for gas, for far to long. Time to pay up america!
 

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I am not ignoring them... I am pointing out that for 12 years a GOP controlled Congress did BOTH... with 8 of those years under a GOP administration.

No. You definitely did just ignore the fact that I already provided you with evidence that your "12 years" is a myth and both parties shared or flip-flopped in power during that time.


Get it thru your historically uneducated skull...

Really Phil? Still? So far all you have shown is a high school understanding of the history of the Great Depression. Your understanding is a classical one, but one that is far from the accepted consensus that it once was before further information was analyzed and understood. Please read some books on economics from modern economists and then we can be on level footing in a historical discussion.


Try educating yourself as to where your REAL self interest lies, and what policies are actually doing the damage that YOU have to suffer.

There it is! I was wondering when your signature catch phrase would surface.



We are rapidly being passed by, by other countries where people still demand that their government be a tool for solving problems... rather than avoiding them.

I agree that government should be a tool for solving problems, a limited tool, an umpire, not an active participant. However, the countries that are passing us the most quickly? Those with a truer free market than we have. You think China is gaining on us because of a more and more regulated market? Do you know anything about Hong Kong?


cutting revenue while increasing spending thru two wars was Financially Irresponsible. De-regualting banking and finance and markets LEGALIZED fraud and market manipulations that RUINED the world wide economy....
And that was ALL the GOP.

That's really a basic understanding of government and also ignored the fact about Congress I stated earlier and that virtually no legislation passes (except for Obama-Care) without at least some support from the other party.

THAT is where our massive deficit came from. 30 years of UNDERFUNDING govenrment. And GOP doubling of deficits.

Unfunded and ever-growing social programs had nothing to do with it? Bailouts passed under both Bush and Obama had nothing to do with it? Come now.

All economic indicators were falling off a cliff during Bush's last two years.
It only took Obama and a democratic congress 5 months to halt that fall, and since then every economic indication has reverse and is improving.

Yes, the same two years that Democrats held a majority in both houses of Congress.

face the facts.

Start basing your political ideology on what really happened and why... and not on some emotional pack of outright lies and misinformation.

Well, if our discussion is any indication I'm not the one who isn't facing facts and who is basing their political ideology on misinformation.

The FACTS are that both parties grow government and grow farther and farther away from actually representing the true wishes of the people who elect them. Aristotle said "Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms." We are steadily on the way. The people are blinded by the rhetoric of both parties while ignoring the usurpation of their liberties and the continued growth of government at home and abroad having their wealth destroyed by inflation and uncurbed spending.

You are a prime example.
 

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Average gas mileage was just above 30 mpg on gaosline. Once the switch was made to 10% ethanol, that dropped to 24-25 mpg.

just take ethanol out of gas get more mpg!!!
 

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No. You definitely did just ignore the fact that I already provided you with evidence that your "12 years" is a myth and both parties shared or flip-flopped in power during that time.

No, actually, you didn't.

Even today, the GOP proudly trumpets how we need to "get government out of the way of business" thru FURTHER de-regulation.

Since reagan, deregulation has been the primary focus of GOP policy.
I don't care how many blue dog democrats got taken in by corporate donations and GOP stupidity... it was STill GOP bills, forwarded when the GOP had majorities.
And over 30 years they de-regualted a whopping lot!

And it all turned to shit.

THAT is the GOP legacy.


And today, your dumb ass party is STILL touting the exact same fiscal policies... de-regualtion....lower taxes for the wealthy... trickle down

But when it comes to your past successes in passing that agenda, and the obvious disaster s it resulted in, you want to smear some of that shit on the Democrats...


Well... that might be fair to say both parties share SOME blame for past stupidity... IF YOUR GUYS WERE FORWARDING SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE EXACT SAME STUPIDITY.

You can't point your finger at Democrats for burning down the house, yesterday, while the GOP is still busy pouring more gasoline and lighting matches.

You want some credibility on the issue of democratic collusion in passing GOP de-regualtion bills?

Then TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for the fact that those bills were GOP policy initiatives... and accept the fact that they DID NOT WORK.


And then let me see you demand that YOUR party come up with something Other than the exact same shit that fucked this country the last time we tried it.