Obama-EPA Moving Quietly to Impose Gas Tax

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The FACTS are that both parties grow government and grow farther and farther away from actually representing the true wishes of the people who elect them.

Not true. Every Democratic administration since Johnson has REDUCED the deficit- Every GOP Administration has increased it.

Clinton actually Reduced the size of government, and balanced the budget.

Every GOP administration since Ford has increased both the Size of government, and the power of the government to intrude in the private lives of tis citizens.

Right now, State GOP legislatures and governors are trying to CURTAIL voting rights, AND force a government takeover of women's healthcare- demanding unnecessary State intrusion literally into a woman's body cavities.

Aristotle said "Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms." We are steadily on the way.
You mean the Same Aristotle that got Gravity Entirely Wrong?

Funny- Rome was a republic, it declined into an Empire- not a democracy...
Athens was a democracy, Was NEVER a republic, and then it turned into Kingdom.

So, I guess Aristotle understood politics even less than he did gravity.

Oh, and BTW THIS is a Democratic Republic. We Elect Representative governance.

So Your argument is that Democracy is WORSE than A republic? Really?
Seems to have worked pretty well for the people of THIS country. And Germany, And Japan, And France.... Oh, Right... you're a conservative...
reality means nothing to you.



The people are blinded by the rhetoric of both parties while ignoring the usurpation of their liberties and the continued growth of government at home and abroad having their wealth destroyed by inflation and uncurbed spending.

You are a prime example.
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Our wealth is not destroyed by inflation... Inflation only erodes wealth when it exceeds the GROWTH of our incomes.

And our Incomes stopped Growing because the GOP undermined union rights and rigged our tax and regulatory system to transfer ALL growth to the richest 1%. Income inequality is the worst it has been since the Robber Barons... and the GOP wants to Cut taxes on the rich even further.

Once more- read some real history. The US was heading for a socialist revolution during the era of the Robber barons.... Riots in the streets had to be put down by the national guard.
we only avoided it thru the legalization of Unions.

Unions ended child labor- sweatshop working conditions, gave us overtime pay, weekends off, and paid vacation and sick time.

Unions CREATED the modern middle class by driving UP wages- taking SOME of the growth in the US economy for the working class.

Its the GOP that wants to take away your ability to unionize... to limit your rights to collectively bargain with corporations.

And the GOP is the one usurping your other 'liberties'.

Sure- they want you to carry guns everywhere... even into your government mandated vaginal probing... while they read thru your emails, monitor your phone calls, and track your purchases and your movements...
They want to force their religious beliefs upon you thru state fiat.


Yo throw out there nonsense like "inflation and uncurbed spending"- as if THAT was the problem with the economy.

Its not... Economists are NOT worried about inflation.... the current gas prices are NOT the result of inflations, they are an artificial manipulation of the market price of gasoline, for the express purpose of raping the consumer for more money.
The actual world oil supply is currently meeting demand.
And US oil production has been steadily rising ever since Obama got in office ( during 8 years of BUSH, US oil production FELL EVERY YEAR )


Stop pointing at the SYMPTOMS as if they were the cause.

The problem with the economy is that the economic crisis DESTROYED one full third of the value of the entire housing market.

All that money just VANISHED.

The problem is that de-regualtion has allowed banks and financiers to grow and conglomerate to the point where the failure of any one of them CAN collapse the whole economy.

And only a moron would think that the answer to economic collapse is to just ALLOW the country to fall into depression... to Allow a 20 year long "market correction"... as if that will teach a lesson to the Bankers who were smart enough to take their money out of the system they were fucking, and who will ride out the US depression in their Villa at Lake Como, or the Riviera

US corporations have doubled, tripled and even quintupled their profits.
And they are NOT sharing this growth with their employees.

Why? Because there is no longer any tax based incentives for them to do so.
De-regualtion and lower corporate taxes have eliminated the financial incentives that pushed corporations to invest in jobs...
We used to get them to do this thru taxation...

The rich are NOT using their tax windfalls to create more jobs, they are offshoring that money into markets that have more robust growth, to make themselves richer even faster.

So, Thanks GOP for giving the rich those huge tax breaks... I am sure the folks in India and China appreciate all that you are doing for THEIR economies. At the expense of our own.


But seriously... the LAST time income inequity got this bad, LAst time the 'free market' idiocy blew up in our faces.... we eventually DID pull out of it and enjoyed nearly 50 years of stable growing economy and a thriving, growing middle class.

How did we do it?

We REGULATED businesses. We LIMITED banking. We had Unions. We RAISED taxes on the wealthy, and on corporations- and created targeted tax loopholes that encouraged businesses to invest in Domestic growth.

oh- and the Government Deficit spent, massively, on infrastructure.

That is what worked.

All around the world... that is the ONLY thing that works.

Fiscal austerity measures, like those adopted in parts of Europe, or in Japan, result in economic stagnation... not recovery.

That is what ACTUALLY happens.

But then, being a conservative, you have no real comprehension of cause and effect.
 

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No, actually, you didn't.

Even today, the GOP proudly trumpets how we need to "get government out of the way of business" thru FURTHER de-regulation.

Since reagan, deregulation has been the primary focus of GOP policy.
I don't care how many blue dog democrats got taken in by corporate donations and GOP stupidity... it was STill GOP bills, forwarded when the GOP had majorities.
And over 30 years they de-regualted a whopping lot!

And it all turned to shit.

THAT is the GOP legacy.


And today, your dumb ass party is STILL touting the exact same fiscal policies... de-regualtion....lower taxes for the wealthy... trickle down

But when it comes to your past successes in passing that agenda, and the obvious disaster s it resulted in, you want to smear some of that shit on the Democrats...


Well... that might be fair to say both parties share SOME blame for past stupidity... IF YOUR GUYS WERE FORWARDING SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE EXACT SAME STUPIDITY.

You can't point your finger at Democrats for burning down the house, yesterday, while the GOP is still busy pouring more gasoline and lighting matches.

You want some credibility on the issue of democratic collusion in passing GOP de-regualtion bills?

Then TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for the fact that those bills were GOP policy initiatives... and accept the fact that they DID NOT WORK.


And then let me see you demand that YOUR party come up with something Other than the exact same shit that fucked this country the last time we tried it.

*sigh* Phil... what's with your reading comprehension? I AM NOT THE GOP NOR DO I SUPPORT THEM!!! I don't know to say it any clearer, so before you suggest that I want drugs legalized so I can smoke weed or that the GOP is MY party, please read, then reflect, then understand.

The whole point of contention with you is that you seem to blame the GOP exclusively for the direction this country has moved, for the entirety of the national debt, basically for all the countries problems. This is simply false. Both parties are whores to the special interests, period.
 

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Not true. Every Democratic administration since Johnson has REDUCED the deficit- Every GOP Administration has increased it.

Clinton actually Reduced the size of government, and balanced the budget.

Every GOP administration since Ford has increased both the Size of government, and the power of the government to intrude in the private lives of tis citizens.

File:Federal Debt 1901-2010.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try again Phil!!


You mean the Same Aristotle that got Gravity Entirely Wrong?

Funny- Rome was a republic, it declined into an Empire- not a democracy...
Athens was a democracy, Was NEVER a republic, and then it turned into Kingdom.

So, I guess Aristotle understood politics even less than he did gravity.

Oh, and BTW THIS is a Democratic Republic. We Elect Representative governance.

So Your argument is that Democracy is WORSE than A republic? Really?
Seems to have worked pretty well for the people of THIS country. And Germany, And Japan, And France.... Oh, Right... you're a conservative...
reality means nothing to you.

So because Republics degenerated into things less desirable than Republics, Aristotle is completely discredited?

As far as gravity goes, well what does that have to do with anything? A doctor diagnoses you with cancer correctly but then is wrong about what he thinks is wrong with his car, so he must be wrong about your diagnoses? You're smarter (I hope) than that kind of argument.


Once more- read some real history. The US was heading for a socialist revolution during the era of the Robber barons.... Riots in the streets had to be put down by the national guard.
we only avoided it thru the legalization of Unions.

Hahahahahahahahahahah!

A socialist revolution... really? Maybe in Academia, but the nation was nowhere near a "Socialist Revolution". Phil, where are you getting this?
And while Unions certainly had a place... they are far past their usefulness.

The gains that strong unions win for their members are primarily at the expense of other workers.
The key to understanding the situation is the most elementary principle of economics: The law of demand. The higher the price of anything, the less of it people will be willing to buy. Make labor any kind more expensive and the number of jobs of that kind will be fewer. Make carpenters more expensive and fewer houses than otherwise will be built, and those houses that are built will tend to use materials and methods requiring less carpentry. Raise the wage of airline pilots, and airline travel will become more costly. Fewer people will fly, and there will be fewer jobs for airline pilots. Alternatively, reduce the number of carpenters or pilots and they will command higher wages. Keep down the number of physicians, and they will be able to charge higher fees. A successful Union reduces the number of jobs available of the kind it controls. As a result, some people who would like to get such jobs at the union wage cannot do so. They are forced to look elsewhere. A greater supply of workers for other jobs drives down the wages paid for those jobs.

Again you bring up Robber Barons of the era directly before the great depression, and yet again you ignore the fact that free market principles has nothing to do with the Great Depression. It was monetary policy mismanagement by government.. The FED has even admitted to his!!

"Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You’re right, we did it. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again." - Ben Bernanke

Bernanke: Federal Reserve caused Great Depression

I know you've been around a while Phil, but before we continue any kind of civil discourse you are going to have to calm down, realize I am not the GOP nor a Republican, and read some modern books about economics and history. Your understanding of both are stuck in the 50's.

I'll make a suggestion or two: Amazon.com: Free to Choose: A Personal Statement (9780156334600): Milton Friedman, Rose Friedman: Books

And Amazon.com: Economic Facts and Fallacies: Second Edition (9780465022038): Thomas Sowell: Books

But then, being a conservative, you have no real comprehension of cause and effect.

Maybe studying some of the great economists of our time will give you a better understanding of cause and effect. Here's to hoping!

It can't be all one side's fault and none of the other, not in something so large as the U.S. Government. So far, by what you have argued.. if the U.S. since the onset of the century, had been run by Democrats we would have more freedom, more wealth, and no debt. That assertion is laughable.
 

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I see that must people that dive big suv are on the heavy side. if obama can get people to slim down and drive a small car to save gas.