Phil Ayesho
Superior Member
The FACTS are that both parties grow government and grow farther and farther away from actually representing the true wishes of the people who elect them.
Not true. Every Democratic administration since Johnson has REDUCED the deficit- Every GOP Administration has increased it.
Clinton actually Reduced the size of government, and balanced the budget.
Every GOP administration since Ford has increased both the Size of government, and the power of the government to intrude in the private lives of tis citizens.
Right now, State GOP legislatures and governors are trying to CURTAIL voting rights, AND force a government takeover of women's healthcare- demanding unnecessary State intrusion literally into a woman's body cavities.
You mean the Same Aristotle that got Gravity Entirely Wrong?Aristotle said "Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms." We are steadily on the way.
Funny- Rome was a republic, it declined into an Empire- not a democracy...
Athens was a democracy, Was NEVER a republic, and then it turned into Kingdom.
So, I guess Aristotle understood politics even less than he did gravity.
Oh, and BTW THIS is a Democratic Republic. We Elect Representative governance.
So Your argument is that Democracy is WORSE than A republic? Really?
Seems to have worked pretty well for the people of THIS country. And Germany, And Japan, And France.... Oh, Right... you're a conservative...
reality means nothing to you.
[/quote]The people are blinded by the rhetoric of both parties while ignoring the usurpation of their liberties and the continued growth of government at home and abroad having their wealth destroyed by inflation and uncurbed spending.
You are a prime example.
Our wealth is not destroyed by inflation... Inflation only erodes wealth when it exceeds the GROWTH of our incomes.
And our Incomes stopped Growing because the GOP undermined union rights and rigged our tax and regulatory system to transfer ALL growth to the richest 1%. Income inequality is the worst it has been since the Robber Barons... and the GOP wants to Cut taxes on the rich even further.
Once more- read some real history. The US was heading for a socialist revolution during the era of the Robber barons.... Riots in the streets had to be put down by the national guard.
we only avoided it thru the legalization of Unions.
Unions ended child labor- sweatshop working conditions, gave us overtime pay, weekends off, and paid vacation and sick time.
Unions CREATED the modern middle class by driving UP wages- taking SOME of the growth in the US economy for the working class.
Its the GOP that wants to take away your ability to unionize... to limit your rights to collectively bargain with corporations.
And the GOP is the one usurping your other 'liberties'.
Sure- they want you to carry guns everywhere... even into your government mandated vaginal probing... while they read thru your emails, monitor your phone calls, and track your purchases and your movements...
They want to force their religious beliefs upon you thru state fiat.
Yo throw out there nonsense like "inflation and uncurbed spending"- as if THAT was the problem with the economy.
Its not... Economists are NOT worried about inflation.... the current gas prices are NOT the result of inflations, they are an artificial manipulation of the market price of gasoline, for the express purpose of raping the consumer for more money.
The actual world oil supply is currently meeting demand.
And US oil production has been steadily rising ever since Obama got in office ( during 8 years of BUSH, US oil production FELL EVERY YEAR )
Stop pointing at the SYMPTOMS as if they were the cause.
The problem with the economy is that the economic crisis DESTROYED one full third of the value of the entire housing market.
All that money just VANISHED.
The problem is that de-regualtion has allowed banks and financiers to grow and conglomerate to the point where the failure of any one of them CAN collapse the whole economy.
And only a moron would think that the answer to economic collapse is to just ALLOW the country to fall into depression... to Allow a 20 year long "market correction"... as if that will teach a lesson to the Bankers who were smart enough to take their money out of the system they were fucking, and who will ride out the US depression in their Villa at Lake Como, or the Riviera
US corporations have doubled, tripled and even quintupled their profits.
And they are NOT sharing this growth with their employees.
Why? Because there is no longer any tax based incentives for them to do so.
De-regualtion and lower corporate taxes have eliminated the financial incentives that pushed corporations to invest in jobs...
We used to get them to do this thru taxation...
The rich are NOT using their tax windfalls to create more jobs, they are offshoring that money into markets that have more robust growth, to make themselves richer even faster.
So, Thanks GOP for giving the rich those huge tax breaks... I am sure the folks in India and China appreciate all that you are doing for THEIR economies. At the expense of our own.
But seriously... the LAST time income inequity got this bad, LAst time the 'free market' idiocy blew up in our faces.... we eventually DID pull out of it and enjoyed nearly 50 years of stable growing economy and a thriving, growing middle class.
How did we do it?
We REGULATED businesses. We LIMITED banking. We had Unions. We RAISED taxes on the wealthy, and on corporations- and created targeted tax loopholes that encouraged businesses to invest in Domestic growth.
oh- and the Government Deficit spent, massively, on infrastructure.
That is what worked.
All around the world... that is the ONLY thing that works.
Fiscal austerity measures, like those adopted in parts of Europe, or in Japan, result in economic stagnation... not recovery.
That is what ACTUALLY happens.
But then, being a conservative, you have no real comprehension of cause and effect.