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Obama - first President to keep his campaign promises since FDR!!!
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An attempt to insult via a "small penis" jibe, and then patting oneself on the back for making dubious yet inflammatory claims.
Not much in the way of fact, but the amount of shit being slung is indeed disconcerting.
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:wink: So are you also for legislation reform?
Thanks, VB. I almost replied. Your explanation is better than what I had in mind. Why do apparently-smart adults need explanations?
And why do BOOB's replies have no caps?
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Not much in the way of facts, but you certainly have the shit market covered.
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OK - Let's stick to the facts - Clinton passed the "end" of the Glass Steagel act in 1998, Clinton passed the "housing act" that encouraged people that couldn''t afford their own home to buy one anyway, Clinton ignored the first WTC bombing and treated it as a "domestic" criminal act. The Dem's have controlled Congress for the past 3 years "the body that determines budget, legislation and has to agree to most changes in the law" and bush is being "blamed" for the "shit we are in"? Go back and read the US Constitution and the "separation of powers" this is not a "Game Show" we are talking about, there are clear "rules" of how the US Government should rule!!!!.
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During the Bush administration there was really no separation of powers. Bush/Cheney found ways to circumvent the proper channels whenever they could. Let's not forget lying to Congress or corrupting the Justice Department. The Dems weren't innocent in the mess because they allowed themselves to be bullied into going along. Don't be afraid to be called "unpatriotic" or "not supportive of the troops" if you feel the policies are wrong.
Say what you will about the Clinton years but everything was much better than it was during the Bush years. And it took eight years to make this mess so don't expect it to be cleaned up in only one.
Say what you will about the Clinton years but everything was much better than it was during the Bush years. And it took eight years to make this mess so don't expect it to be cleaned up in only one.
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Yeah, and a great many of them were broken between 2001 and 2008. It was embarrassing, horrifying, and straight out of some bad B-movie. Only it really happened. And you and your ilk didn't raise a whisper.
And then we got birth certificates, teabags, and hue and cry over trying to establish decent health care.
Remember what you told me prior to the election? Have you changed your mind?
The selective 'facts' as you see them from your clearly biased perspective. Or more likely, as they have been spoonfed to you.
Me too, well at least a little starch in the shorts. But then I have a thing for smart men who exhibit a clear understanding of the political landscape, don't kowtow to the party line, think for themselves and can express themselves articulately. I guess it's just a coincidence that they are almost, if not always, Progs.
You grossly overestimate your power and effectiveness, sir.
And your so-called 'facts'.
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The inability and partisan politics which have become a hallmark of this administration are destroying this country. I feel horrifically sorry for Obama. He has so much to do and in nearly everything his hands have been tied. After the crash of 1929 F.D.R. and the required branches of the United States government passed sweeping legislation to prevent a replay of the events which took place in that disaster. When the '29 disaster happened there were ZERO safeguards and it was not until things were far worse than what we have now that F.D.R. found himself without choice "spending" the country out of the depression created by private industry and banking with taxpayer dollars. At that time the conservatives absolutely mirrored what is now taking place. It was Roosevelt's use of the limited media available which placed the few Americans not starving to death in a position of being able to apply pressure to their representatives and things got done. In spite of the best efforts made, in reality, at the end of 10 years and the beginning of World War II the United States was still in the final throes of a lingering depression. The industrial might of the United States at the time and our abilities to build the materials of War is what really began to turn things around. When, after the bombing of Pearl Harbor a conscription was enacted, it was the drafting of many of the Unemployed from the bread lines into platoons that removed people from such organizations as the W.P.A. and C.C.C.. Again under a great deal of pressure, legislators enacted benefits for those serving in the United States Military to help these men transition back into civilian life in a post war world. The G.I. "Bill of Rights" being one of the many things done to help that transition.
As the War ended the United States almost slipped back into a depression because there was not sufficient time for Industrial America to completely strip out manufacturing plants and to re-tool for production of the goods that most Americans had been starving for. In fact horrific shortages continued on because the handwriting was on the wall for Korea within 5 years of the end of WWII.
The ultimate truth in the world is that those who do not study the history of the past are destined to repeat it.
I am 57 years old. Because I came late in life for my parents I had the entire lecture on the problems of the depression and of World War II growing up on nearly a daily basis.
My Biological Father was born in 1917. He was 12 years old when the "idle rich" without regard to the welfare of anyone other than themselves led us to the '29 crash. His Father (my biological Grandfather) had died the year before of a mastoid infection and in order to keep a home, my Paternal Grandmother took in her Mother and the labor force of two elderly women and two kids was what put very little food on the table, and kept electricity going to survive. The family car had to be sold. The floor radio had to be sold, transportation became two legs and what little public transportation was available in Los Angeles at that time. My Paternal Grandmother took in laundry and did bookeeping. My Paternal Great Grandmother did the ironing of the laundry taken in and cooked the meals. My Father a boy of 12 delivered newspapers and magazines and my Aunt cleaned houses for neighbors and babysat as much as she could to bring in additional money. The kids did not get to keep the money because even the few dollars they earned every month were necessary to support the home.
My Stepfather, born in 1907 grew up on a farm in North Dakota. It was decided by the family that he was the one most likely to succeed and he was the youngest. All of his brothers and sisters worked and paid for Medical School for him and he went on to become a physician. In 1929 when the crash came he was finishing school and worked as he could to contribute to his own and if he had extra, he sent money back from California to North Dakota.
During Winter months unlike right now, people were dying in the streets from exposure.
As this was all happening the same thinking of many conservatives today railed on and on against any help for the poor. The work programs undertaken during the depression were according to some a "waste of taxpayer dollars" and created "big government". Banking and industrial lobbiests screamed bloody murder at the controls that were put on because banking wanted to go on as usual dealing in high risk situations and taking major chances with the money of depositors with impunity.
What we have now is no different. The main difference of course is that few if any of the people in "big business" care about anything but their own pockets. When the depression is discussed, few realize that in spite of all the screaming, Henry Ford, Walter P. Chrysler, the Vanderbuilts, the Rockefellers and all the rest were just as rich as ever and were very unhappy that protections could change what "they" did.
Though there is guilt on both sides, the main people who seem to be screaming about solving the problems or controls to prevent problems are those who will profit most if nothing is done. Remember in politics when any group screams. Follow the money, and figure out who will profit from no change! Failed policies whomever enacts them and sadly these came under multiple administrations which could be classified as "conservative", always make money for somebody.
How many of you on this board work for General Motors?
I have three friends who were on pensions from GM in Michigan. When GM declared Bankruptcy most GM retirees lost 100% of their medical benefits from a lifetime of work for that corporation. Now, because of advancing age and pre-existing conditions these people are unable to obtain any insurance they can afford on the fixed income of a pension.
I still think Obama is a spineless coward, because those to whom he has tried to be conciliatory and with whom he has tried to negotiate could care less about anything other than themselves.
Those of you who feel that a return to policies of the past is wise are sadly very misinformed. Conservative commentators make the statements they do not because of education or common sense. They are paid by major corporations who stand to make billions of dollars if these individuals can convince you the American People that change is bad.
When we discuss the Obama Adminstration, we need to remember that for at least another three years this man good or bad is the ONLY hope we have. If we roadblock everything we have stagnation and in this case stagnation and lack of movement will not help anything in fact it will make it much worse. Remember too there is profit for some in "much worse". Who will make money if jobs continue to be exported? Ask yourself these questions and if you really take the time to cut off the media and look at the records as to who it was who sponsored what and who they represented at that time it can be quite an experience.
What we have now is nothing new. It is a total rerun. The uneducated to the details of the past will in another 80 years try and do it all yet again. Prevention and re-writes of history are common. What will be necessary in 2089 will simply be that those who survived the '09 melt down and be the witnesses to it will be by virtue of age all deceased.
If you understand the past you will have a key to things and some foresight into the future rather than hindsight into the past.
As the War ended the United States almost slipped back into a depression because there was not sufficient time for Industrial America to completely strip out manufacturing plants and to re-tool for production of the goods that most Americans had been starving for. In fact horrific shortages continued on because the handwriting was on the wall for Korea within 5 years of the end of WWII.
The ultimate truth in the world is that those who do not study the history of the past are destined to repeat it.
I am 57 years old. Because I came late in life for my parents I had the entire lecture on the problems of the depression and of World War II growing up on nearly a daily basis.
My Biological Father was born in 1917. He was 12 years old when the "idle rich" without regard to the welfare of anyone other than themselves led us to the '29 crash. His Father (my biological Grandfather) had died the year before of a mastoid infection and in order to keep a home, my Paternal Grandmother took in her Mother and the labor force of two elderly women and two kids was what put very little food on the table, and kept electricity going to survive. The family car had to be sold. The floor radio had to be sold, transportation became two legs and what little public transportation was available in Los Angeles at that time. My Paternal Grandmother took in laundry and did bookeeping. My Paternal Great Grandmother did the ironing of the laundry taken in and cooked the meals. My Father a boy of 12 delivered newspapers and magazines and my Aunt cleaned houses for neighbors and babysat as much as she could to bring in additional money. The kids did not get to keep the money because even the few dollars they earned every month were necessary to support the home.
My Stepfather, born in 1907 grew up on a farm in North Dakota. It was decided by the family that he was the one most likely to succeed and he was the youngest. All of his brothers and sisters worked and paid for Medical School for him and he went on to become a physician. In 1929 when the crash came he was finishing school and worked as he could to contribute to his own and if he had extra, he sent money back from California to North Dakota.
During Winter months unlike right now, people were dying in the streets from exposure.
As this was all happening the same thinking of many conservatives today railed on and on against any help for the poor. The work programs undertaken during the depression were according to some a "waste of taxpayer dollars" and created "big government". Banking and industrial lobbiests screamed bloody murder at the controls that were put on because banking wanted to go on as usual dealing in high risk situations and taking major chances with the money of depositors with impunity.
What we have now is no different. The main difference of course is that few if any of the people in "big business" care about anything but their own pockets. When the depression is discussed, few realize that in spite of all the screaming, Henry Ford, Walter P. Chrysler, the Vanderbuilts, the Rockefellers and all the rest were just as rich as ever and were very unhappy that protections could change what "they" did.
Though there is guilt on both sides, the main people who seem to be screaming about solving the problems or controls to prevent problems are those who will profit most if nothing is done. Remember in politics when any group screams. Follow the money, and figure out who will profit from no change! Failed policies whomever enacts them and sadly these came under multiple administrations which could be classified as "conservative", always make money for somebody.
How many of you on this board work for General Motors?
I have three friends who were on pensions from GM in Michigan. When GM declared Bankruptcy most GM retirees lost 100% of their medical benefits from a lifetime of work for that corporation. Now, because of advancing age and pre-existing conditions these people are unable to obtain any insurance they can afford on the fixed income of a pension.
I still think Obama is a spineless coward, because those to whom he has tried to be conciliatory and with whom he has tried to negotiate could care less about anything other than themselves.
Those of you who feel that a return to policies of the past is wise are sadly very misinformed. Conservative commentators make the statements they do not because of education or common sense. They are paid by major corporations who stand to make billions of dollars if these individuals can convince you the American People that change is bad.
When we discuss the Obama Adminstration, we need to remember that for at least another three years this man good or bad is the ONLY hope we have. If we roadblock everything we have stagnation and in this case stagnation and lack of movement will not help anything in fact it will make it much worse. Remember too there is profit for some in "much worse". Who will make money if jobs continue to be exported? Ask yourself these questions and if you really take the time to cut off the media and look at the records as to who it was who sponsored what and who they represented at that time it can be quite an experience.
What we have now is nothing new. It is a total rerun. The uneducated to the details of the past will in another 80 years try and do it all yet again. Prevention and re-writes of history are common. What will be necessary in 2089 will simply be that those who survived the '09 melt down and be the witnesses to it will be by virtue of age all deceased.
If you understand the past you will have a key to things and some foresight into the future rather than hindsight into the past.
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Somebody want to explain the concepts of sarcasm and irony to the Holy One? Maybe somebody from the other side of the fence there? He/she/it is all yours, and sadly, pretty typical of your troops.
Obviously it is not in the repertoire. I'm afraid you will have to explain. This speaks volumes.
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