Obama has no old girlfriends, no past, and no validity.

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I seriously don't know what to make of you, except that, perhaps, when you first started posting here, you played Devil's Advocate with such a degree of irony and finesse that it was both brilliant and, because of the medium of the written word, impossible to identify as such.

But I agree with not just what you're saying here but the abstract concepts behind the words. Stop creeping me out! :tongue:

Now on topic:
One of the Teabagging reactionaries' favorite boogie-men is "the career politician", yet when a true outsider, with decent administrative skills and a profoundly deep knowledge of the constitution comes up from "no where" and gets elected, they freak out in unison. He's an enigma only to those who have never read his books (and they weren't biographies, they were autobiographical memoirs) and/or never listened to what he said on the campaign trail.

His administration is perfectly illustrative of the cautious, consensus-driven decision-making he'd promised, albeit distorted when half of the Congress has declared that they'll never cooperate with him; that makes consensus-building an intense challenge if not an impossibility. Legislation needs negotiation and compromise, and there's little if anything like that in sight.

And only in some feverish nightmare could a bi-racial son raised by a single mom in relative poverty be labeled elitist. He is a walking example of the American Dream, where quite anybody, regardless of one's social status at birth, aspire to and capture the Presidency of the United States. If his detractors and those who doubt his legitimacy recognized how profoundly his bio reads like a highly improbable Horatio Alger story they'd slump away in shame. Instead they beat their chests with a pungent Nationalistic fervor or else cluck at what he's attempted to do but couldn't, because of obstructionists from both parties, as if he could wave a wand and make things happen.

He's by no means perfect. Among his greatest sins, to me, is not just the continuation but the further enhancement of the Imperial Presidency and the troubling continuation of extraordinary extradition of "enemy combatants" to black sites where torture continues to the same degree formerly reserved for Abu Ghraib or Gitmo. His continued support for the so-called Patriot Act, and this latest bit which essentially suspends habeas corpus of American citizens (snuck into the latest defense appropriations bill) alarms me enormously (as it should all Americans). Ultimately it will be found to be unconstitutional, most assuredly. DADT is history, but until Clinton's other signature piece of bigotry (DOMA) is finally rescinded, LGBT Americans remain second-class citizens. I remain deeply skeptical that the needed action toward its repeal will happen with the next five years should be win a second term, but who really knows? As of right now, Holder's not actively prosecuting it even as mixed-nationality couples are forcibly separated by the DHS.

But it would most certainly remain not just on the books but prosecuted with renewed vigor under a Republican presidency, should 2012 turn out to win. And I shudder to think of what would happen to the Supreme Court should such a calamity actually happen, given the current crop of GOP candidates and their hideously distorted Christianist agendas win out.
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lets see were not socialists yet....Perhaps people should stop watching FOX and start reading there are plenty of people who knew Obama..guess a Black man being president is too much for the right wing nuts
 

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I'm all for listening with wide open ears when people want to have debates rooted in logic about what Obama has or has not done. He isn't perfect and things ain't perfect right now.

But the whole birther thing is just insane. As is the "Hillbuzz" blog, run by a conservative gay man in Chicago who claims that Rahm Emanuel and Obama used to go to a bathhouse in Chicago and double team guys there.

(And not just any bathhouse, but one called Man's Country, the nastiest, ickiest, hantavirus filled bathhouse in all of humanity.) Um, yeah. Sure.
 

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Great movie by the way...:smile:


Color, gender, religious beliefs not a topic here.

Isn't everyone bias to a point? If you stand behind or with someone aren't you bias? Next topic.

First. Yes, bias as a definition is a prejudice against one thing in favor of another. Everyone is biasED to some degree, and this is inevitable.

My point remains- People who say "I'M IN NO WAY BIASED BUT I THINK OBAMA IS A FRAUD BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING" are trying to refute the idea that they're biased...when the entire point of their argument is indicating that bias.

Its so normal for people to misdirect when it comes to starting a conversation about some things... but whenever someone says "I'm not racist but..." you can generally assume they pretty much are racist. Its a conversational tell that blatantly indicates being biased.