Obama meets Queen Elizabeth today - amidst "Death to Capitalism" protests

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  1. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    First off, there's no actual vitriol against Obama himself as far as I can tell. Obama is well-liked in England, perhaps even more so than Bill Clinton and J.F.K before him.

    As world leaders gather for Thursday's G-20 Summit in London, unprecedented protests are rocking the city. Bankers have been warned to dress casually. Luxury hotels are securing their perimeters for attacks.

    As I type, I have CNN on in the background. The headline "Anger in the Streets" is beneath images of protesters breaking windows of the Royal Bank of Scotland (one of Britain's bailed-out banks). I think bricks were thrown. A Mercedes S600 parked in the driveway has been vandalized. The headline of London's Evening Standard reads "Violence Sweeps the City on Obama's Big Day".

    A group calling itself "G-20 Meltdown" has organized a number of these protests. According to their website, they're calling for an end to capitalism:

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    Capitalism has been heating up our world for years, melting the icecaps, burning up the rainforests, pushing the planet to tipping point. Now we're going to put the heat on them. At the London Summit , the G20 ministers are trying to get away with the biggest April Fools trick of all time. Their tax-dodging, bonus-guzzling, pension-pinching, unregulated free market world's in meltdown, and those fools think we're going to bail them out. They've gotta be joking!

    We can't pay, we won't pay and we are taking to the streets

    At 12 noon, April 1st, we're going to reclaim the City, thrusting into the very belly of the beast: the Bank of England.

    Early a.m. April 2nd, we're going to bang on their hotel doors, @ the Excel Centre, Canning town to deliver our message of a world beyond capitalism.

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    Amidst all this queen, the Queen has granted Barack and Michelle a private audience, which is unusual since she does this mainly for state visits only. Obama is traveling with about 200 limo-ed "security agents" according to the BBC. London has provided additional security surrounding Buckingham Palace and Parliament.



    It would be nice if a few of LPSG's british posters could give a first-hand account of what's going on in the city and what the protesters wish to achieve. And what the attitude is surrounding the Obama's visit with the queen.
     
  2. Gl3nn

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    Will he bow? lol
     
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    Saw the human public relations machine was still on his game today....

    Reporter: Mr. Obama, what is your favorite thing about Great Britain?

    Human public relations machine: My, ah, I would have to say that my favorite thing about Great Britain are... its people.
     
  4. Flashy

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    Queen Elizabeth's first impression upon meeting the Obama's:


    "My heavens, they're black?!?!?!?!"


    (don't flip out some of you, just a little "the queen is so detached from reality" humor.) :biggrin1:
     
  5. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    starinvestor:

    Don't you have some non-curvy black-eyed hookers with fat lips to attend to?



    Edit: One observation, starman. Some of the signs being waved by the London anti-capitalist protesters are eerily similar to your Cincinnati Tea Party protesters: "No More Bailouts!". "We want our money back!" "Hey, Bail Me Me Out!"


    Also, Michelle Obama is visiting a London Cancer Center with Sarah Brown, Gordon Brown's wife.

    I love this detail: "Mrs. Obama wore a green pencil skirt and a sparkly cream cardigan by J. Crew for the visit, while Mrs. Brown wore a Britt Lintner navy blue dress. Shouts of "Obama! Obama!" from a group outside the center greeted the first lady as her visit ended. The Maggie's Cancer Caring Centre project aspires to provide a care center at every National Health Service hospital in the United Kingdom."

    The Obama's are being indoctrinated with "socialized medicine", star!
     
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    how many queens went with him? do all queens say my heavens?
     
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    Not quite, the Maggie's clinics are not state funded, but charities. They're not part of the NHS, although they do work with it.
     
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    Liz and Phil are welcome in my home. They just have to sit where they want and agree to drink a cold beer.
     
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    :rofl: I got it , thought it was darn funny too. :biggrin1:
     
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    They shook hands first and then he bowed in the correct manner, a slight nod of the head.

    And the Queen got a hug from Michelle when they parted!
     
  11. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    I just saw an article on "Royal Etiquette Do's and Dont's" when meeting her majesty.


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    "On U.S. soil, he may be a hugs and fist-bumping kind of a guy. But when President Obama and his wife, Michelle, met Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace today, they exchanged little more than simple handshakes, at least at first.... Obama was the only head of state at the annual G-20 summit to get a private meeting with the queen... There is the "no-touch" rule. The queen's visitors have to wait until she extends her hand to take it, and they are not supposed to grip it tightly or pump it. No hugs, no kiss on the cheek, no touching the shoulder, which is why the queen's gesture comes as a surprise.... Michelle Obama did not have to curtsy in the presence of the queen, but President Obama did bow slightly from the waist as he met the queen and her husband.... One should refer to the queen as "Your Majesty" on the first reference, and then "ma'am" subsequently. The formal greeting for a U.S. president is simply "Mr. President."

    Gift-giving is also an important part of the visit. The president and the first lady gave the queen a video iPod with an inscription, uploaded songs and accessories, plus a rare musical songbook signed by Richard Rodgers. According to one source, the iPod also contains video footage of the queen's state visit to the United States in May 2007. The queen gave the president a silver framed photograph of herself and her husband, the official picture she gives all visiting dignitaries.... Attire also plays an important part in royal visits. The first lady skipped a sleeveless dress -- as is her usual style -- and opted instead for a black sweater, and a black skirt topped with a white shirt, which she accessorized with a pearl necklace, a rather conservative look for a first lady who likes to show off her toned arms.... The president, who is known for his laid-back demeanor, may have had to adopt a more formal tone to discuss world affairs with the queen. ("Whatever you do, don't call them nicknames!").... It's OK to make eye contact and to appear lighthearted -- another plus for the president who made the queen laugh as he told her about his busy schedule and lack of sleep.... Tea is usually accompanied by small snacks, and protocol dictates that the queen's guests stop eating after she takes her last bite.... General tea etiquette dictates raising only the teacup to drink, not the cup and saucer, and to return the cup to the saucer after each sip. And avoid another major gaffe -- slurping."

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    I don't know why I'm fascinated by little details like "general etiquette dictates raising only the teacup to drink, not the cup and saucer, and to return the cup to the suacer after each sip"... but I am.

    British posters: Is your press treating our new president kindly I hope?
     
  12. D_Joseba_Guntertwat

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    Indeed he is well-liked. I would love to have heard what the notoriously offensive and probably racist Prince Philip said.
    The protesters are a strange collection of disparate groups. I can vaguely sympathise with the climate change and anti-war protesters, at least they have a well defined point although the G20 summit may not be the best place to express it.
    There are also a bunch of anarchists and anti-capitalist nutters. I saw a few of them interviewed by a BBC news reporter on the ground, and not one of them could give a sane or intelligent argument for why they were protesting - just a lot of idiots and hippies looking for trouble.
     
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    He shouldn't have. The protocol is that Americans bow to nobody unless the bow is expected to be returned (as in Japan). Bowing to the monarch of the UK is the biggest no-no as it dishonors our fallen war dead. The queen understands this because it is not to she whom the president is bowing, but the crown she represents. It's like the old military saying, "You salute the rank, not the man (or woman)."

    Michelle hugging the queen was equally inappropriate.

    QEII is actually pretty cool with black people. She's queen of many countries where the great majority of people are black. Her husband may be a terrible racist, but she's not in the least.
     
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    Liz is quite nice.
    Certainly didn't talk down to me.
     
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    Michelle hugged Elizabeth? Oh dear... that is one of THE biggest mistakes you could make. Wasn't she informed?

    And Jason, why are Americans different than other people? We have lost people in wars too, but we still bow (read: nod, maybe small bow). They are royalty; american or not, the protocol is still bowing. And I know it's the rank they're bowing for, not the woman.
     
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    WillTom, I would like to offer up a glimpse of what the socially conscience working class thinks about G8 and such, via a website in Britain that i have always found to be of great worth. This web-site was created by a Musician named Julian Cope about a decade ago.
    This website Julian Cope Presents Head Heritage is really quite extraordinary. Julian Cope is a very scholarly Rock and Roll dude.A particular passion of his are the ancient Megalithic sites throughout Britain and Europe {He has authored a couple of Highly regarded works on the subject} and SOCIAL conscienceness. His website offers in the forum sections,several avenues of interest, Such as Political discourse discused by the equivilant of our political left on most issues, Discussion of ancient sites in europe,Discussion of the latest in hip music, and just general banter. There are several posters on that site who have extraordinary depth of knowledge on Climate issues, Economy, Alternative fuel issues and such like. Search out threads by Merrick and Grufty Jim.....these guys are quite prepared to discuss or debate just about any issue....RATIONALLY.
    At any rate here are a couple of recent posts about G8 goings on there.
    From the forum section called "YOU KNOW"{the politics section}

    A gag look at our disturbing future 10 years on:
    Financial Times 2020 - FT 2020.com

    Regarding G8 'Thugs'
    The Modern Antiquarian.com | Forums | G8 thugs

    On Rush Limbaugh
    The Modern Antiquarian.com | Forums | Rush Limbaugh

    Regarding Protest Music at G8 protest concert
    The Modern Antiquarian.com | Forums | Would they have done this to Dylan in '63?

    Thats a start. Anyone interested in the British points of view,truly owes that site a look at.
    Regards,PYM
     
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    She said, "Ekchually, I don't."
    Nice chick.
     
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    We're not different. That's the point. We acknowledge, "no foreign sovereign, potentate, or ruler," to be superior as an American is only sovereign to himself. She may be royalty to you (not sure where you live), but to us she is only a head of state. She is not superior because of crown, birth, or blood. Bowing is an indication of subservience in these situations; an acknowledgment of superiority as the queen does not curtsy in return. When two leaders of sovereign countries meet, they meet as equals. Monarchs do not ever bow or curtsy to each other either. An American official representing the United States does not act subservient to anyone as they are not our masters.

    This has been official US protocol since the very beginning of the country. It is expected that representatives of the United States give and receive physical greetings such as are the custom of the land they travel to so long as such greetings are expected to be reciprocated in kind and do not demonstrate servility. Bowing or curtsying to the queen does that so we (officially) do not.

    It may shock you to know that Americans do not acknowledge royalty beyond the role they represent in their country's government. Our government was formed under the proposition, "... that all men are created equal." That's the official position of the United States as that phrase is enshrined in our first document, The Declaration of Independence of the United States. The Constitution of the United States goes on to enhance this by saying:
    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
    As you can imagine, when all this was written anti-monarchist sentiment was very high, however it was not lost on Americans that a good many people fought and died against the very crown Obama is (now) bowing to and so the whole, Americans bow to nobody thing came into being and that has never changed. The newly minted country couldn't very well send ambassadors to Britain and then have them bowing and scraping to various lords and the king. It would have infuriated the American people no end.

    A private American citizen can do whatever he or she likes including accepting foreign titles.
     
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    She's also a head of state for me. But one that is royal.

    Is she superior as human? No. Is she socially superior? Yes.

    I'd like to be equal to her as well. But that is just not the case. If someone bows for a royal, it doesn't mean he or she will do everything what the monarch says. It's more a form of politeness and greeting these days. And not so much the: you are superior. (Although I'm aware it does give that message).
     
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    So, Obama and Brown are both predicting the G-20 summit to produce "a significant global deal" to tackle the global recession.

    France and Germany had earlier stated that neither would agree to "false promises", but Obama said differences among the presidents and prime ministers of the Group of 20 were "vastly overstated."

    Also...

    Obama met with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Chinese President Hu Jintao today &#8212; and promptly accepted invitations to visit Russia in July and China later in the year. Obama and Medvedev announced talks to limit the number of nuclear warheads (the first major negotiations in years).


    Ok. Can I say how goddamned HAPPY I am that we have a true gentlemen representing the U.S. - someone who I do not have to secretly feel ashamed about nor embarrassed for? I hope the Brits and Russians and Chinese see that Obama is a decent, sensible, rational guy looking for an equitable solution... that the days of the swaggering, cowboy-booted ugly american president making verbal gaffes right and left are finally, thankfully, over.
     
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