Obama picks Elena Kagan as Supreme Court nominee

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  1. B_talltpaguy

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    Obama picks Kagan as Supreme Court nominee | Reuters

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    May 9th, 2010 - 10:26pm EDT

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    Absolute GARBAGE pick imo. Like Obama couldn't find someone actually qualified for the job to do it? He had to pick a longtime pal from law school?

    Reminds me of when Bush nominated Harriet Myers, except she was barely qualified to be an attorney, let alone a USSC Justice. At least Kagan gives every indication of being intelligent and thoughtful... Unfortunately, she also has no experience whatsoever as a judge... And now she's going to be a member of the TOP judicial panel in the nation???

    The Supreme Court is NOT the place to 'learn as you go' or for 'on the job training'!!! Booo! Hiss!
     
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    My understanding was that he picked her as a 'bridge builder," who can help conflicting groups reach a consensus, which God knows we need in this country. It's an unconventional strategy, but given the ages of the conservative judges already on the bench, perhaps not as poor a one as might be assumed given her lack of judicial history.
     
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    I'm kinda on the fence. She doesn't have a lot of courtroom experience, I can totally agree there. But that is a skill and can be learned. I always thought that I'd prefer someone who has firm moral values and would strive to uphold the Constitution over someone who is very courtroom savvy. Skills can be learned, a sense of justice, moral compass, and loyalty to the values of the nation are much harder qualities to teach.

    Who knows how this will go. I just hope that if the Republicans block the nomination, they do so because they honestly don't think she's qualified, rather than as a political move.
     
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    well hell I can already tell you now that they are going to try to block her....and it will be politically motivated. Look at their track record since Obama came into office. 99% of what they have done or not done has been politically motivated. The majority of Republicans are not looking out for the average joe. They are looking out for corporate America and making sure they make as much money as humanly possible
     
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    The WSJ staff gives her a fair chance:

    Obama to Nominate Kagan to Court
    He saw that quality in Ms. Kagan, who earned a reputation for bridging divides as a policy adviser in the Clinton White House and, in particular, over six years as dean of Harvard Law School. At Harvard, she aggressively recruited new faculty of all ideological stripes and went out of her way to make sure conservatives felt comfortable on the left-leaning campus. She won accolades from colleagues and students across the political spectrum.
    Though the WSJ nutcases are already out:


    In the case of Kagan, who is known to be a lesbian, this is nothing more than covert advancement of the ultra-radical homosexual agenda leading to forced acceptance of homosexual marriage and homosexual adoption in all 50 states. If my congressman doesn't filibuster this nominee with as much energy as the Socialist Health Care Takeover bill, then he will go the way of Senator Robert Bennett in Utah.

    If anyone doesn't think the right wing noise machine isn't going to make her sexuality an issue you are engaging in wishful thinking. Stand by for a very very ugly period.
     
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    Oh and another thing, Obama has clearly made this moderate pick to try and win favor with Republicans, thereby claiming a 'bipartisan' victory that he can point to this fall (as if anyone cares about bipartisanship these days?).

    The problem is, I suspect that Senate Republicans won't hardly vote in favor of her, if at all, because they know full well that the Dem caucus itself will vote her in (only 51 votes are needed, and I seriously doubt Obama has lost 9 Dems/Inds with this nomination)... So once again, the Republicans will bludgeon Obama with his own self-created weakness. They get a moderate, possibly conservative USSC Justice without having to sacrifice a damn thing themselves, AND they get to make him look like a jackass for doing so.

    This will especially be true, if Republicans can manipulate nomination discussions to be about her time spent at Harvard and how she hired and promoted a bunch of conservatives to foment ideological diversity (generally a good thing, unless you're a Dem who wasn't sure if you were going to bother voting this fall)... Plus they can curry favor with IND minorities by pointing out how Kagan hired 29 professors during her tenure as Harvard Law School dean, and 28 of them were white and one was part-Asian. She didn't hire a SINGLE black or Latino professor. Republican strategists are salivating as I write this.
     
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    The USSC bench is NO PLACE to learn as you go...

    This woman never even tried a case until Obama appointed her Solicitor General last year. In her first trial, she lost the landmark Citizens United vs FEC case. :rolleyes:

    Her greatest 'qualifications' appear to all be attributable to political calculations on Obama's part... And it's obvious to any person with a brain that her personal relationship with Obama played a role here... Imho, she is a pathetic choice, and I hope she is rejected.
     
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    I would hardly lay that "loss" at her doorstep. Having read the majority opinion on that ruling, it's pretty clear the five had it in mind which way they were going, arguments be damned.

    Her lack of courtroom experience troubles me because our system of jurisprudence is rooted in the common law tradition of legal precedent. Serving years as a litigator and a justice gives one intimate familiarity with cases that span both the mundane aspects and eccentricities of the law, a rich pool of precedent by which to evaluate current cases.

    That said, I know practically nothing of this woman and so will refrain from commenting on her nomination.
     
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    This is bullshit. From what I'd been reading, there were at least two other women with much stronger records he could have picked.
     
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    ^You got that right. I myself would have chosen Diane Wood from the 4 people he is publicly known to have interviewed... And there were certainly others equally or even better qualified.

    I think Obama just had his 'Souter moment'... the other way...
     
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    Then again, it's only possible to speculate on the content of those interviews. There are elements that we'll never be privy to. Perhaps Diane Wood, as an example, indicated in her interview that she was not 100% enthusiastic about accepting the nomination.

    I would hope and assume that there are many factors and dynamics, including experience,(scholarly and life), ideology, state of mind, desire, political maneuvering for good and bad, etc., from both nominator and nominatee that lead to a choice.
     
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    My take is that nobody gets to the Appellate level and doesn't desire to be a USSC Justice. Wood's downfall was probably that she is rather aged.
     
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    True :smile:

    It was just speculation as to the many variables and machinations that we don't know about.
     
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    Don't you mean Michael Savage?:rolleyes:
     
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    He is hilarious :biggrin1:
     
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    Is it just me or does kagan set off other people's Gaydar?
     
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