Obama Response to Ft. Hood Shooting

[B_Enough_for_Me]

This is retarded. How about concentrating on the terrible policy stances he has, and his complete inaction on issues that he was elected on?

This is stupid sideshow shit that exists to keep you distracted from how much you are being fucked by the government.

Why would I be distracted? We're all (even if we are in denial) aware that this administration means no good.

 

[Guy-jin]

Queue someone calling everyone who disagrees with him "sheep".

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand pointless thread over.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Why Vynil*** are you stalking me? (seems so appropriate after you call me a "forum stalker")

are worse than the gaffes of our previous man in charge.

I mean, come on... Medal of Honor vs. Medal of Freedom. At least they're both medals of high regard to worthy recipients. But when your president of choice says things like, "A free Iraq will be a major defeat in the cause of freedom", then perhaps he should put down "My Pet Goat" and pick up a "Hooked On Phonics" pamphlet. Don't let your disdain for the current administration make you an outright hater, people.

1) The presidents doesn't get to be inaccurate simply because you worship him. He has to check his facts like everyone else. Medal of Freedom is a civilian award (WAY OFF) which few, if any, have risked their lives to acquire. On the other hand the Medal of Honor is the highest military award and means almost certain death. As of yet, the four Medal of Honor recipients in the Iraq conflict, and the two in Afghanistan, all died in the action that won them the Medal. There hasn't been a Medal of Honor recipeint that has lived through their ordeal in the last 30 years. Obama shouldn't be Commander in Chief if he doesn't understand the difference between the two medals. It's not like he just transposed freedom with honor, he called it the Congressional Medal of Honor. He has no clue what is going on.

2) Heres the best part: OBAMA GAVE THE GUY THE MEDAL! ! ! He can't remember this? He doesn't know what he did 3 months ago? Seriously? ............

3) Bush's quote makes sense in context. He is very blatantly talking about how a free iraq would be a defeat to the terrorists in the fight for freedom. I love these little quips they say prove Bush was an idiot. Each one is like a little morsel of discarded liberal integrity.

4) This will be the hardest to swallow: Obama doesn't get to do whatever he wants simply because you can cite Bush. Bad behavior has never excused bad behavior. There isn't some 'integrity deficit' that lets Obama act like a complete D-Bag (thats not racial right?) and get away with it. Not only that, but Bush was wrong when he did what he did, right? Yet Obama is excused when Bush was wrong? You, as a president, never get to call people Medal of Honor recipients when they aren't. . . . then go on to explain that a tragedy just happened on a military base.

EFM:Stay classy

You're the one throwing around racial slurs on a big dick forum and you're telling ME to stay classy?

Plus, it was in response to the OP and his constant month long barrage of slurs towards me which still continues to this day.

HA HA! The poor helpless Vinyl*** insists he's a victim. Why don't you cite that "barrage of slurs"? Be sure to "tell the whole story". This kills me every time. Seriously, if you've missed the Vinyl***-EFM show you'll appreciate what he links to.

Now, racism is appropriate so long as you are responding to someone who made "slurs" at you?

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Queue someone calling everyone who disagrees with him "sheep".

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand pointless thread over.

Thanks for your contribution.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You need some new material, bitch. Trolls like you are such one trick ponies.

 

[Industrialsize]

John Dickerson:

President Obama's speech at Fort Hood, Texas, was a small masterpiece—less than 15 minutes—in part because it was so modest. The president had great material and he knew not to get in its way.
Less than three minutes into the speech, the president was telling the story of each of the 13 people who had died. The news has been full of every last detail about the shooter. Obama corrected that balance. If the shooter committed the ultimate act of selfishness, then the president took it as his task to bear witness to the selflessness and hard work of the shooter's victims.
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Marc Ambinder:

Today, at Ft. Hood. I guarantee: they'll be teaching this one in rhetoric classes. It was that good. My gloss won't do it justice. Yes, I'm having a Chris Matthews-chill-running-up-my-leg moment, but sometimes, the man, the moment and the words come together and meet the challenge. Obama had to lead a nation's grieving; he had to try and address the thorny issues of Islam and terrorism; to be firm; to express the spirit of America, using familiar, comforting tropes in a way that didn't sound trite.
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Chuck Todd:

That's going to be a speech that's remembered and quoted from for quite some time; struck a balance of commander and consoler; not easy.
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Taegan Goddard:

President Obama's speech at Fort Hood may go down as one of his best ever.
The president was able to balance his duties as Commander in Chief while consoling a nation in the aftermath of a terrible tragedy. That he was able to do this while taking away the focus on the shooter's religion was even more impressive.
It was one of those speeches that makes you especially proud to be an American.
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The text of the speech can be read in full beneath the fold or at the White House website.

 

[Industrialsize]

YouTube - Obama speaks at Fort Hood memorial service for a New Golden Dawn again after 1889

Now THAT'S a Commander in Chief

 

[3664shaken]

Dude there are 20 minute blooper reels of him on YouTube which go well beyond mistaking the Medal of Honor for the Medal of Freedom or whatever the faux outrage du jour is today.

Your reply shows just how much you misunderstand the complaint.

You tube is for morons and holds sway over them.

If Bush would have done this it would have been front page news for all of the major newspapers, news magazines and TV/Cable outlets and it would have been played relentlessly.

I was not a Bush supporter or a Bush voter, nor was I an Obama supporter or McCain for that matter, but the facts are patently clear the media highlighted every blunder Bush made and played it over and over while ignoring virtually all of Obamas.

A interesting point is that the international media is becoming more and more critical of Obama as his presidency progresses while the US media is continuing in it's shockingly lap-dog stance.

If you put partisanship aside you cannot honestly deny that the American media is not overtly pro-Obama and was clearly anti-Bush. Only an extreme ideologue would not admit to that.

 

[3664shaken]

Now THAT'S a Commander in Chief

Seriously - (gulp, gulp, gulp goes the kool-aid)

No that is someone who has had a speech written for him trying to do damage control.

We saw HIS true reaction earlier and it was shocking, sickening and nauseating.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

John Dickerson:

President Obama's speech at Fort Hood, Texas, was a small masterpiece—less than 15 minutes—in part because it was so modest. The president had great material and he knew not to get in its way.
Less than three minutes into the speech, the president was telling the story of each of the 13 people who had died. The news has been full of every last detail about the shooter. Obama corrected that balance. If the shooter committed the ultimate act of selfishness, then the president took it as his task to bear witness to the selflessness and hard work of the shooter's victims.

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Marc Ambinder:

Today, at Ft. Hood. I guarantee: they'll be teaching this one in rhetoric classes. It was that good. My gloss won't do it justice. Yes, I'm having a Chris Matthews-chill-running-up-my-leg moment, but sometimes, the man, the moment and the words come together and meet the challenge. Obama had to lead a nation's grieving; he had to try and address the thorny issues of Islam and terrorism; to be firm; to express the spirit of America, using familiar, comforting tropes in a way that didn't sound trite.

​

Chuck Todd:

That's going to be a speech that's remembered and quoted from for quite some time; struck a balance of commander and consoler; not easy.

​

Taegan Goddard:

President Obama's speech at Fort Hood may go down as one of his best ever.
The president was able to balance his duties as Commander in Chief while consoling a nation in the aftermath of a terrible tragedy. That he was able to do this while taking away the focus on the shooter's religion was even more impressive.
It was one of those speeches that makes you especially proud to be an American.

​

The text of the speech can be read in full beneath the fold or at the White House website.

This puffery isn't talking about BO crackin dem' jokes are they?

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Your reply shows just how much you misunderstand the complaint.

You tube is for morons and holds sway over them.

If Bush would have done this it would have been front page news for all of the major newspapers, news magazines and TV/Cable outlets and it would have been played relentlessly.

I was not a Bush supporter or a Bush voter, nor was I an Obama supporter or McCain for that matter, but the facts are patently clear the media highlighted every blunder Bush made and played it over and over while ignoring virtually all of Obamas.

A interesting point is that the international media is becoming more and more critical of Obama as his presidency progresses while the US media is continuing in it's shockingly lap-dog stance.

If you put partisanship aside you cannot honestly deny that the American media is not overtly pro-Obama and was clearly anti-Bush. Only an extreme ideologue would not admit to that.

Good post.

I would add to it this smoking gun from the Center for Media and Public Affairs (CMPA) at George Mason University.

Highlights:
- Hillary Clinton's coverage was nearly 3 to 2 negative (42% positive vs. 58% negative comments), while evaluations of her closest competitor Barack Obama was better than 3 to 2 positive (61% positive vs. 39% negative). John Edwards attracted much less coverage, but his evaluations were 2 to 1 positive (67% positive vs. 33% negative). Sen. Clinton was evaluated more often than all her Democratic opponents combined.

-Among Republicans, Mike Huckabee fared best with evenly balanced coverage – 50% positive and 50% negative evaluations by reporters and sources. Fred Thompson came next with 44% positive comments, followed by Mitt Romney with 40% positive, Rudy Giuliani with 39% positive, and John McCain with 33% positive Yep, thats a positive coverage for Democrats at 56% and 41% for Republicans. Way to go broadcast networks!

It gets better:
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Fox News Channel’s coverage was more balanced toward both parties than the broadcast networks were. On FOX, evaluations of all Democratic candidates combined were split almost evenly – 51% positive vs. 49% negative, as were all evaluations of GOP candidates – 49% positive vs. 51% negative, producing a perfectly balanced 50-50 split for all candidates of both parties.​

On the three broadcast networks, opinion on Democratic candidates split 47% positive vs. 53% negative, while evaluations of Republicans were more negative – 40% positive vs. 60% negative. For both parties combined, network evaluations were almost 3 to 2 negative in tone, i.e. 41% positive vs. 59% negative.​

 

[vince]

Seriously - (gulp, gulp, gulp goes the kool-aid)

No that is someone who has had a speech written for him trying to do damage control.

We saw HIS true reaction earlier and it was shocking, sickening and nauseating.

What is really sickening and disgusting is right wing nimrods using the tragic deaths of soldiers getting prepared to defend their country at Ft Hood, to score cheap political points. It's not shocking however. It is becoming quite normal that nothing is sacred or off limits, when comes to the need to out-shout those you disagree with, to 'win' a debate.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

What is really sickening and disgusting is right wing nimrods using the tragic deaths of soldiers getting prepared to defend their country at Ft Hood, to score cheap political points. It's not shocking however. It is becoming quite normal that nothing is sacred or off limits, when comes to the need to out-shout those you disagree with, to 'win' a debate.

Hold on...hold on....I'm still doubled over laughing here.

1) Obama's response's, no matter how inappropriate, are off limits?

2) Liberals have NEVER used dead troops or tragedy to "score cheap political points? Dear god, man! There it goes again, I can't stop laughing.

The only thing that that isn't surprising here is the infamous liberal blind eye.

 

[vince]

Keep on laughing man. No one else is. 13 people are dead and your primary worry is what Obama did or did not do or say. It's a shitty attitude whether you are a "liberal" or a "conservative".

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Keep on laughing man. No one else is. 13 people are dead and your primary worry is what Obama did or did not do or say. It's a shitty attitude whether you are a "liberal" or a "conservative".

Wrong, Obama thought it was pretty funny.

Don't tell me what my "primary concern" is, you have no clue.

As a good practice in any democracy we should all be extremely worried about a "Commander in Chief" that can't remember the difference between a Cong. Medal of Honor and a Medal of Freedom (that he gave 3 months ago) or why he should be serious when talking about tragedy; especially the kind of tragedy that he is supposed to be 'fixing'. An executive with no leadership? Inexcusable.

"shitty attitude"? What the F* are you talking about?

Answer me this (as you dodged the last questions): what should we be thinking about?

I already know your answer, but I'll humor you anyway.

 

[vince]

Wrong, Obama thought it was pretty funny.

Don't tell me what my "primary concern" is, you have no clue.

As a good practice in any democracy we should all be extremely worried about a "Commander in Chief" that can't remember the difference between a Cong. Medal of Honor and a Medal of Freedom (that he gave 3 months ago) or why he should be serious when talking about tragedy; especially the kind of tragedy that he is supposed to be 'fixing'. An executive with no leadership? Inexcusable.

"shitty attitude"? What the F* are you talking about?

Answer me this (as you dodged the last questions): what should we be thinking about?

I already know your answer, but I'll humor you anyway.

OK. I went and found the clip on YouTube and watched it. From the way your linked article described it and from the way you've been flapping around about it for the last two days, I was expecting Obama to cutting up like he was at the White House Correspondents' Association's Annual Dinner. I thought he'd be giving Steven Colbert a run for his money.

Actually, I was half dreading watching it and having to come back here and stick up for him!

Well. This is what your article said-
"But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks."

A BIG FAT LIE. He not "disconnected" at all. He was not "light".

He said, "I hear that Dr Joe Medicine Crow was around, so I want to give a shout out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. Good to see you." He made a little wave and there was a small applause. He barely cracked a smile. It sure wasn't one of his 100 watt grins like I'd been led to expect.

And that was IT. He said good job with the conference, blah blah and then preempted the rest of his speech to talk about the Ft Hood event. And he did not make light of it and he did not "think it was pretty funny"

You didn't watch it did you? You just read the poison pen articles and went with them didn't you?

But it matters not. Whether you did or didn't watch it. You are either making your cheap points with your own lies or your doing it with someone else's.

Soldiers are dead and wounded. Families are grieving. I stand by what I said before. It's disgusting to use someone else's tragedy to score your cheap, sophomoric political points.

You can deny it, but the proof is in the video. No "wildly disconnected" President. Nothing inappropriate. Watch it for yourself. YouTube - Fort Hood Tragedy --FOX News

Oh.. and as for mixing up the Medal of freedom and the Medal of Honor? Big fucking whoop di do! LOL. A slip of the tongue. He made a mistake. I think the sky is still up above us. Maybe he had something else most important on his mind at that moment. Like the deaths of 13 soldiers to announce and speak to the nation about. You know what I mean? But if that's what you worry about, OK! It might make you lose sleep at night, but your in a small minority there pal.

 

[agnslz]

What struck me as odd is why he didn't immediately say a few words acknowledging the incident when speaking to that conference of American Indians. He went through what seemed like his original opening statement to the group and then spoke about the shooting.

And then when he had to miss that Jewish gathering to attend the memorial and instead sent Rahm Emanuel (a Jew) to address the group they seemed to go overboard in apologizing for that.

The skipping of the Berlin Wall anniversary events also struck me as a very bad move. Especially since just a year ago he had that big campaign-style rally there where so many Germans showed up. You'd think he could at least return the favor.

I don't know, I voted for Barack Obama, I want him to succeed and I still believe in him but he's just made too many stupid mistakes and missteps so early on in his presidency. I envisioned Obama's presidency to be like JFK's Camelot and instead it seems to be turning into Jimmy Carter's one term.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

* sits back in a chair with a drink and whistles *

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Well. This is what your article said-
"But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks."

A BIG FAT LIE. He not "disconnected" at all. He was not "light".

He said, "I hear that Dr Joe Medicine Crow was around, so I want to give a shout out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. Good to see you." He made a little wave and there was a small applause. He barely cracked a smile. It sure wasn't one of his 100 watt grins like I'd been led to expect.

And that was IT. He said good job with the conference, blah blah and then preempted the rest of his speech to talk about the Ft Hood event. And he did not make light of it and he did not "think it was pretty funny"

You didn't watch it did you? You just read the poison pen articles and went with them didn't you?

But it matters not. Whether you did or didn't watch it. You are either making your cheap points with your own lies or your doing it with someone else's.

Soldiers are dead and wounded. Families are grieving. I stand by what I said before. It's disgusting to use someone else's tragedy to score your cheap, sophomoric political points.

You can deny it, but the proof is in the video. No "wildly disconnected" President. Nothing inappropriate. Watch it for yourself. YouTube - Fort Hood Tragedy --FOX News

Oh.. and as for mixing up the Medal of freedom and the Medal of Honor? Big fucking whoop di do! LOL. A slip of the tongue. He made a mistake. I think the sky is still up above us. Maybe he had something else most important on his mind at that moment. Like the deaths of 13 soldiers to announce and speak to the nation about. You know what I mean? But if that's what you worry about, OK! It might make you lose sleep at night, but your in a small minority there pal.

Let me get this straight, you never criticized Bush over Iraq? People are dead over there and you used it to make a "cheap political score". Don't act like your (you personally) shit doesn't stink, or that the liberals are any better than anyone. Many, many times they have been first to use the coffins of dead soldiers to make political points (literally).

Heres a thought, if Obama didn't want people using his Ft. Hood comedy hour (yeah, thats called hyperbole) to criticise him, then why did he do it? I'll make you a deal Vince: if Obama stops screwing up I'll stop criticizing him. It's that simple.

I did watch the video, he is anything but presidential. He should have started the speech with a discussion of Ft. Hood. He also should have been able to remember the guy (who worked on his campaign) that he gave the Medal of Freedom to 3 months ago. If he can't remember that then he needs to be checked for Alzheimer's. Having Biden in charge is scary but it's better than the Alzheimer's president. I did notice that George Bush's "slips of the tongue" were unforgivable; in fact the left insisted they proved he was an idiot. But that's ok, your shit don't stink.

Now that you've read all this I think it's time to point out that I'm not making a political point. I just pointed out that Obama is a clown. That is a personal point; personal to Obama, Clown in Chief. I know, in your book anything that reflects badly on Obama is "politically driven", thats just the conspiratorial nature of liberals; no big surprise. But it is entirely possible that The One screws up, and this time His Highness got caught.

 

[vince]

Why do you keep changing the subject? This thread is about Obama's supposed screw-ups. Not Bush's. If you want, we can talk about Bush's fuck ups. Oh wait.. I just checked your OP... you did bring up Bush and how the "liberals will defend their deity buy bringing up Bush". Trouble is, I didn't mention Bush. You did. In a lame attempt to cover your sad tracks you go, "well the liberals criticized Bush over Iraq" and " People are dead over there and you used it to make a "cheap political score"."

WTF? Are you seriously equating the two events? Bush started a war with the wrong country and thousands died. Obama...hmmm.. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what he had to do with Ft. Hood.

So, "I want to give a shout out to Dr. Joe Medicine Crow", is being compared to the biggest foreign policy blunder in American history? Right...

Weasel out of it as best you can, but a cheap point is a cheap point weather you call it personal or political. By the way...saying, well "they did it too", is so fucking sixth grade. Grow up and be responsible for your own words.