Obama Response to Ft. Hood Shooting

[FuzzyKen]

I watched and listened to the address given by Barak Obama after the shootings. I live in a State with a very heavy military presence and next to the State of Texas.

The President of the United States is to some degree controlled by his Press Secretary. That is true of all Presidents and the party or belief system they represent is not necessarily a factor. The White House requests air time, but, outside of times of actual National Emergency, the Networks grant it on their schedule and not on that of the United States Governement.

As I watched his address to the Nation on the subject, I felt sorry for him in some ways. It was painfully obvious to me that he did not have the information he wanted and he was trying to do something he really did not want to do when by time and network availability he was forced to do it. Reading his body language was very interesting.

The shooting was a tragedy of a major magnitude, but, as the story unfolds it appears that a great deal more may be at risk than those who have already sacrificed their lives as a result of a man who is now appearaing to have a very suspicious background.

I think that the address given by President Obama could have almost been classified as a "non address" because there was so much information lacking at the time he made it.

Before I criticize the man, I ask myself a number of questions. The questions I ask are what I would do if I were in the same position. I have a major shooting/slaughter at a United States Military Base which appears to have been committed by a soldier with a Middle Easter surname. If I were as the President of the United States to talk out of turn and make any statement that wound be blatantly untrue, I would be boiled in oil for doing so. At the same time, I would have asked myself it it was wise in fact to say anything at all at that point.

What the President chose to do was to give a small and very restrained address to calm fears of the American People.

United States Presidents are easy targets because it is very simple to find people who dislike them one way or the other.

One of my personal habits in free times is reading and studying people who have had a profound influence at changing the world. I started my studies at Franklin Delano Roosevelt and moved forward from there with regards to United States Presidents. I have also heavily studied American Commanders in wartime and this includes George S. Patton, Omar Bradley, Montgomery, and many more.
Based on how he operates, the closest other historical figure I can find so far to Obama in though process is that of Omar Bradley.

I think right now that Obama, good or bad, did the best he could do with what he had to work with and what he had to work with was nearly nothing other than an investigation in progress after a shooting and at a point so early in that investigation that we were not even absolutely we had a single shooter.

The one thing that is clear is that under UCMJ, the shooter is just about guaranteed to be executed for his actions.

Personally, I want to wait and see how far these investigations go and what comes from them before forming complete opinions.

 

[Pendlum]

He also should have been able to remember the guy (who worked on his campaign) that he gave the Medal of Freedom to 3 months ago.

He did remember him. Do you mean he should have remembered the correct name of the medal he gave him 3 months ago? Or did you forget that that was the part he slipped up on. After all, 3 days ago is a long time.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Why do you keep changing the subject? This thread is about Obama's supposed screw-ups. Not Bush's. If you want, we can talk about Bush's fuck ups. Oh wait.. I just checked your OP... you did bring up Bush

You're as bad as your president. And I quote:

What is really sickening and disgusting is right wing nimrods using the tragic deaths of soldiers getting prepared to defend their country at Ft Hood, to score cheap political points.

You brought it up....YOU. YOU did. Read it again and again and again until your feeble liberal mind understand that YOU brought it up. It has been proven, and repeated, and will surely be a point of contention. None of these things matter to the liberal mind, which only sees it's own grandeur.

You did. In a lame attempt to cover your sad tracks you go, "well the liberals criticized Bush over Iraq" and " People are dead over there and you used it to make a "cheap political score"."

I am absolutely amazed. In one sentence you say nobody should be able to criticize the Messiah, then you go on to point out that you, too, used the dead civilians and troops in Iraq to make your worthless political point. This is exactly why I gave you the bait. I knew that you would go on to explain that when liberals use dead troops/civilians it's perfectly fine, but when conservatives criticise Obama for acting inappropriately (which is what I did) they will immediately explain that no criticism is just. Well, pooky, Obama fucked up. He, and you, have to face the fact that he isn't infallible. He is a world class clown. He is a rank amature, an inexperienced joke. You can keep saying how nobody should be allowed to criticize him, a common tactic in socialist countries, but as of right now I still have my first amendment rights; and I will criticize his repeated and unbelievable fuck ups.

WTF? Are you seriously equating the two events? Bush started a war with the wrong country and thousands died. Obama...hmmm.. I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what he had to do with Ft. Hood.

I couldn't have asked for anything better. You just got done explaining how wrong it was to use dead people to "make a cheap political point" then you do exactly what you criticise.

So, "I want to give a shout out to Dr. Joe Medicine Crow", is being compared to the biggest foreign policy blunder in American history? Right...

So, it's fine to use dead people to make your cheap political point so long as there are lots of dead people? 13 isn't enough, there has to be thousands, then you can use all of them to criticize? But, not matter what the case 13 is out. I suspect that any number will be inappropriate when it comes to The One.

Weasel out of it as best you can, but a cheap point is a cheap point

Unless it's about the conservatives, then it's appropriate and deserved no matter what.

Grow up and be responsible for your own words.

Holy fucking cherry on top. Lets see if you can man up to your own nonsense. Seriously, I can't wait for this reply.

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

You're as bad as your president. And I quote: You brought it up....YOU. YOU did. Read it again and again and again until your feeble liberal mind understand that YOU brought it up. It has been proven, and repeated, and will surely be a point of contention. None of these things matter to the liberal mind, which only sees it's own grandeur.

I am absolutely amazed. In one sentence you say nobody should be able to criticize the Messiah, then you go on to point out that you, too, used the dead civilians and troops in Iraq to make your worthless political point. This is exactly why I gave you the bait. I knew that you would go on to explain that when liberals use dead troops/civilians it's perfectly fine, but when conservatives criticise Obama for acting inappropriately (which is what I did) they will immediately explain that no criticism is just. Well, pooky, Obama fucked up. He, and you, have to face the fact that he isn't infallible. He is a world class clown. He is a rank amature, an inexperienced joke. You can keep saying how nobody should be allowed to criticize him, a common tactic in socialist countries, but as of right now I still have my first amendment rights; and I will criticize his repeated and unbelievable fuck ups.

I couldn't have asked for anything better. You just got done explaining how wrong it was to use dead people to "make a cheap political point" then you do exactly what you criticise.

So, it's fine to use dead people to make your cheap political point so long as there are lots of dead people? 13 isn't enough, there has to be thousands, then you can use all of them to criticize? But, not matter what the case 13 is out. I suspect that any number will be inappropriate when it comes to The One.

Unless it's about the conservatives, then it's appropriate and deserved no matter what.

Holy fucking cherry on top. Lets see if you can man up to your own nonsense. Seriously, I can't wait for this reply.

Let this be a lesson to all the mothers out there: don't let your baby eat paint chips.

 

[midlifebear]

This Enough_for_Me crank sounds and writes remarkably like Starinvestor. Remember him? Same complaints about, well . . . just about everything that doesn't fit his idea of right and wrong, political correctness, and hating Obama at every turn. He also liked to skirt close to coming across as pointedly racist as possible. Remember how Star liked to do that?

As for the original post citing an article in The Times as evidence that the poster had some ax to grind, consider the source. The Times is hardly a paragon of impartiality in the world known as journalism.

 

[vince]

:rant: :rant::rant:

:lmao:

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

This Enough_for_Me crank sounds and writes remarkably like Starinvestor. Remember him? Same complaints about, well . . . just about everything that doesn't fit his idea of right and wrong, political correctness, and hating Obama at every turn. He also liked to skirt close to coming across as pointedly racist as possible. Remember how Star liked to do that?

As for the original post citing an article in The Times as evidence that the poster had some ax to grind, consider the source. The Times is hardly a paragon of impartiality in the world known as journalism.

It pains me to mention this, but Star was a much better writer (technically). The styles are completely different, if that's what you are getting at. Star has returned (long ago) with an alias, but I think that he finally gave up on this site.

So, how are things MLB?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I can say with some level of certainty that EFM is not starinvestor.

 

[vince]

Infestor was smarter and had much better sense of humor.

 

[faceking]

Keep on laughing man. No one else is. 13 people are dead and your primary worry is what Obama did or did not do or say. It's a shitty attitude whether you are a "liberal" or a "conservative".

Well put, wanna give a shout out to Vince.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Oh, you guys are hurting my feelings.

BTW, great response Vince, we'll call that a concession.

 

[vince]

That would be the Royal we.

 

[Rikter8]

Reading My Pet Goat while the towers burned might be at the top of the list.

How is that a fair argument? That's like saying "How could you be on the toilet when the towers got hit!!??"

Actually, at the top of the list is having the in-power political party light the fire, as well cover it up in war costs.

The damage done by the careless reactions and lack thereof of the previous party spoke Volumes through the people.
They were crooked, everybody knew it, so they voted them out.

I'm not saying the current is grand - but the others HAD TO GO.

 

[cruztbone]

The presidential response to Ft. Hood was appropriate and measured. let the military finish its investigation first . Clearly, the FBI was also investigating his behavior. This is why we need more , not less, civillian checks on military behavior. Hopefully, this tragedy will bring this about.

 

[Bbucko]

Now here's something fun to mull over: ordained Southern Baptist minister Mike Huckabee thinks that religious tolerance and political correctness led directly to the Ft Hood shooting:

Political Correctness Killed Americans

Nidal Hasan wore the uniform of the United States, but his traitorous actions disgraced that uniform and our flag. It appears that there was a prevailing spirit of political correctness that caused many from calling attention to his radical and anti-American statements. It's bad enough that political correctness has killed Christmas, comedy and common sense, but in this case, it appear that it killed 14 innocent people;13 soldiers and civilians and one unborn child.

In the aftermath, prominent military officials such as the highly regarded General George Casey and Admiral Mike Mullen stated that they hoped that nothing would hurt the diversity of the military. With the highest respect for their positions and service, I truly understand, appreciate and support the ideal that our military reflect the great diversity of our unique and wonderful nation. But the men and women of our Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard are not participants in a massive social experiment or a demonstration project to show how diverse and tolerant we are. They are recruited, trained, and equipped to provide the greatest military force on the planet.


Let the universities provide the ideological playground for academics to put forth the high-minded plans of people management to give us all a "feel-good" for being so tolerant, but our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines deserve to be surrounded by the best of their peers, not misfits who are protected because of their religion, gender, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity or their cereal preference for that matter.

 

[SilverTrain]

Now here's something fun to mull over: ordained Southern Baptist minister Mike Huckabee thinks that religious tolerance and political correctness led directly to the Ft Hood shooting:

And to think, there was a time when I thought Huckabee had some good ideas. He's just shooting for the lowest common denominator, now.

 

[agnslz]

Now here's something fun to mull over: ordained Southern Baptist minister Mike Huckabee thinks that religious tolerance and political correctness led directly to the Ft Hood shooting:

That's absurd. If anything it's a lack of religious tolerance and political correctness that played a part in this guy shooting his fellow soldiers. Wasn't he picked on for his religion and ethnicity? Still, you can't blame anyone or anything but him for what he did.

Mike Huckabee should shut up and worry about trying to keep the weight off. Especially after he cashed in on chastising and lecturing other Americans to lose weight. I've noticed he's almost back to his old size.