Obama Supports Gay Marriage.

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You believe we might actually come out of the Dark Ages?

All the pain that gays/lesbians/transgendered persons have had to endure over the centuries. All the persecution, fear, sadness, depression, and, yes, suicides. For what? Over sex between two conscenting adults. Society should hold its head in complete and utter shame.

To my all my dear gay friends on LPSG: I believe in you. And to those who are struggling with their sexuality, you are not alone. It can and will get better.

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Yeah, can't wait to fight with the social conservatives.


Social conservatives can go pound salt. Their reign of terror is coming to an end. Let them take their hate to Mars, or preferably beyond Pluto -- we're done with you on planet Earth.

I just think of the young boys they sent into depression and suicide. Enough is enough!
 
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Y'know, my very first gut reaction to this was good for Obama. It's a risky move, and actually showed some moral strength for him to take a risky position like this...and I'm not a particularly big fan of that issue!

My opinion of him actually improved...slightly.

Got to give the man a little credit for this one.


Kudos, Red. :smile:
 

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If only our PM could admit the same thing she might just reelected in the upcoming federal election instead of the stringy little runt Tony Abbott who hates women and hates gays.
 

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Regardless of how it plays out politically this round, it is truly momentous to have the president come out on the right side of history.

A great day for the nation!

You mean the side that believes it is truly the American way to vigorously defend the civil rights of all of its own law abiding citizens? I couldn't agree more. :biggrin1:

Whether it costs President Obama votes or not, it was the right thing to do and publicly was the right way to do it. I salute him for it.

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So what if he supports it? Really what does this change besides his voting demographic? It's up to the States to define marriage, not the Fed.

It will take a Constitutional Amendment to force the States to comply with a wider definition of Marriage, and good luck with that. That document grants the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...not guaranteed happiness. You've gotta convince the body politic that same-sex marriage is a valid addition to traditional norms on a State-by-State basis.

Tolerance and understanding come in incremental steps.

I support the President's statement and I believe it's his honest opinion, but I am wary of the agenda behind it. I don't agree with anyone pandering to any group no matter how heartfelt the statement, but I know that's something the system we have requires.

Still, some of you eagerly waiting to see the republicans snap on this subject makes me cringe inwardly. Like listening to jabbering hyenas around a dying water buffalo.

Rise above the mantra dudes and dudedettes, you've found acceptance at the highest office of the land.. use that foundation to build something better than what you had.. don't go on and on about how great it will be to see the insane zealots on the far right pounce on this. At the end of the day it's the States that define this topic, not the President.
 

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I don't think there will be. I really think the time is right and President Obama could make this statement now without fear of much backlash. In fact I an waiting to see if Romney overplays this hand as he did the women's issues last month. If so, it could drive many independents away from him. The backlash may be on the Republican side. Here's hoping.

The only thing I can see is the G.O.P trying to overplay it. But all that will do is expose Romney as a flip-flopper on that issue.
 

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Yeah, Obama made a risky move today, but then again this the same President the bailed out the auto industry and took out Bin Laden when nearly everyone was urging him not to.
 

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OK: is it that I'm that old or that queer that when I first read the news and saw the vid(s) online, my first response was this ?

So what if he supports it? Really what does this change besides his voting demographic? It's up to the States to define marriage, not the Fed.

It will take a Constitutional Amendment to force the States to comply with a wider definition of Marriage, and good luck with that. That document grants the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...not guaranteed happiness. You've gotta convince the body politic that same-sex marriage is a valid addition to traditional norms on a State-by-State basis.

Tolerance and understanding come in incremental steps.

I support the President's statement and I believe it's his honest opinion, but I am wary of the agenda behind it. I don't agree with anyone pandering to any group no matter how heartfelt the statement, but I know that's something the system we have requires.

This will probably not effect his electorate much. Romney's issues on immigration are just too extreme and non-inclusive for most Lations. And I can't imagine this taking more than, at most, ~10-15 points from the African Americans, to whom Romney is simply unrelatable.

This will activate the Teabagging GOP base, but is actually an extremely good move among Independents, the majority of whom support marriage equality by a substantial margin.

As to this whole Amendment question: the constitution was amended during Reconstruction to enfranchise former (male) slaves, but it took the best part of a century for desegregation and miscegenation laws to be over-turned, both of which were done via the SCOTUS.

I predict that when California's Prop 8 is ruled unconstitutional, the same will follow suit with the other states as well; it's also fair to remind everyone that DOMA will face a SC challenge within five years, and will go down in flames as well.

During an election year, everything is played to an agenda.

Still, some of you eagerly waiting to see the republicans snap on this subject makes me cringe inwardly. Like listening to jabbering hyenas around a dying water buffalo.

Rise above the mantra dudes and dudedettes, you've found acceptance at the highest office of the land.. use that foundation to build something better than what you had.. don't go on and on about how great it will be to see the insane zealots on the far right pounce on this. At the end of the day it's the States that define this topic, not the President.

It's traditional for those who've scored a Culture War victory to take a victory lap; allow us our brief indulgence in emotion and joy to be irrationally exuberant. We've earned it.
 

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Yes, though we knew his true stance on the issue and understood the political climate that made him reluctant to express it, I have to say I was disappointed in his earlier waffling (after Biden's remarks).

It was high time to take a stand, and happily he showed the balls to do so.

Score: A+, Mr. Pres.
 

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So what if he supports it? Really what does this change besides his voting demographic? It's up to the States to define marriage, not the Fed.

It will take a Constitutional Amendment to force the States to comply with a wider definition of Marriage, and good luck with that. That document grants the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...not guaranteed happiness. You've gotta convince the body politic that same-sex marriage is a valid addition to traditional norms on a State-by-State basis.

Tolerance and understanding come in incremental steps.

I support the President's statement and I believe it's his honest opinion, but I am wary of the agenda behind it. I don't agree with anyone pandering to any group no matter how heartfelt the statement, but I know that's something the system we have requires.

Still, some of you eagerly waiting to see the republicans snap on this subject makes me cringe inwardly. Like listening to jabbering hyenas around a dying water buffalo.

Rise above the mantra dudes and dudedettes, you've found acceptance at the highest office of the land.. use that foundation to build something better than what you had.. don't go on and on about how great it will be to see the insane zealots on the far right pounce on this. At the end of the day it's the States that define this topic, not the President.

Very thoughtful statement. I liked what you said.

Most of what I've heard the Republicans say so far has been more about what you mentioned, being wary of the agenda behind what Obama has said. That and the fact this is a state-by-state issue, not a federal issue.

Nearly all the Repubicans I know personally have only good things to say about gays, mainly because they know, in some cases a few and in other cases a lot of, gay men and women. And they couldn't care less about who anyone is sleeping with these days.

But I don't think for a second that all the Democrats in office are sincere about their feelings on this subject. I suspect behind closed doors there are those who abhore gays and gay rights while publicly they kiss ass to get fools to vote for them. In fact, I trust the person who says something I don't want to hear more than I trust the person who says they've "grown" over the last few years. Obama might be sincere, I hope he is, but I still question his agenda.

Sadly politics is still politics whether you're Democrat or Republican.
 

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I guess Obama was tired of the Repubs failing to make gay marriage a hot button issue so he decided to help them throw the Gay under the bus one more time OR Obama is a diabolically clever campaign strategist.
 

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Convenient timing for his epiphany/announcement...just more political pandering for votes...politicians....they ALL do it...just watch dncNBC for the ncoming sound bite, when he speaks Spanish and says something to try to secure the illegal immigrant segment of the vote. The only thing sure about politics... it never really changes, just the players do.
 

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I have to say that I wasn't absolutely convinced of his sincerity when I watched the statement.

However, I think it is quite politically shrewd to take ownership of this agenda and put the Right in the position where they will have to show their moral intolerance in the face of constitutional rights.

Chess anyone?
 
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Politians will pretty much say anything if there is way of getting votes or kudos.David Cameron fits the same bill.I don't believe either quite frankly.
 

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Rush Limboob is calling this a war on marriage.
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Perhaps Obama was watching the british London mayoral election where the notionally right wing candidate came out for Gay marriage (we do have civil partnerships which are pretty much the same, just not called marriage). Boris Johnson was about the only conservative in the country to do well in the recent elections and he made it his business to keep as much distance from his party as he could. Which as a note on the politics of London is quite amusing because his opponent Ken Livingston the labour man did exactly the same in reverse a few elections ago when there was a labour government in power fast becoming unpopular.

Didnt Obama rather lead from the left last time around, rather than following a centre right agenda?