Obama Supports Gay Marriage.

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Very strange that the people who oppose gay marriage appear to feel so threatened. In countries where gay civil marriage (or civil partnerships) has been legalised, there was an initial backlog of same sex couples coming forward to be married. The demand thereafter was less than most people had predicted. It has made a huge difference to the couples who have entered into this committment of rights and responsibilities, and hardly any difference to anyone else.

It is also very strange that religious leaders should speak out on a matter of civil law. If a particular religion does not agree with same sex relationships, they do not have to allow same sex marriages in their religion. However, if the government decides to allow civil marriage that really is none of the religious leaders' business. It's a secular matter.
 

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heard he had gay sex at columbia he was a reciever from what i heard. ex intelligence officer told me this???
 

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Politians will pretty much say anything if there is way of getting votes or kudos.David Cameron fits the same bill.I don't believe either quite frankly.

I'm not sure about other politicians but Obama always does what he says he going to do. Osama Bin Laden anyone?
 

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It seems that President Obama is abandoning his prior strategy of offending his friends to try to placate his implacable enemies.
I don't think he has much if anything to lose on this. African Americans tend to be against GLBT rights but are not going to abandon him. The Rethugs have done a super outstanding job of driving off the Latinos. The rest who vigorously oppose were not going to vote for him anyway. What he can gain out of this is an energized base.
 

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I'm not sure about other politicians but Obama always does what he says he going to do. Osama Bin Laden anyone?

Medical Marijuana, the morning after pill, gitmo and the wars overseas say hi. Does what he says my ass.

In a first season episode of the west wing, President Bartlett goes out to California for a fund raiser and there is a guy who says he has polling data showing like 75% (dont remember the exact number) support a no flag burning amendment and that Bartlett can win reelection just on this issue. In swoops an independent pollster saying of that 75 or so percent, very few actually said it would influence their vote.

Now, as one of the very few who changed its mind on this issue, while most point to polling that people favor this, I bet the number of people that this would influence their vote are very small. And add to that, no one went from voting for Obama to not because of that and anyone who would go from not voting to voting for him probably are not going to the polls. There are way more pressing needs in this country and gay marriage is like 2,376 on that list of things I would consider in voting for a candidate.

You know, people who pick a candidate based on one issue astound me. I hear people say I cannot understand log cabin republicans (and for the record, I have a gay republican mayor of this town. There is no way in hell I voted for this guy and has nothing to do with his sexuality). It is like another episode of the west wing. Josh is debating a bill with a gay republican senator on this issue and they were going round and round. Finally the senator looks at josh and yells at him to ask the question: How can you be gay and in the republican party? He responds I agree with the vast majority of the republican ideals and one issue is not going to tear me away from the party to a party I largly disagree with.

And bottom line, abortion, gay marriage, etc... are all distraction issues away from the real problems in this country. If I were gay, and I had a choice between Obama and a guy who is steadfast against gay marriage but has great ideas to fix this country and balance the budget, I would vote for the second guy in a heartbeat.
 

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Medical Marijuana, the morning after pill, gitmo and the wars overseas say hi. Does what he says my ass.

In a first season episode of the west wing, President Bartlett goes out to California for a fund raiser and there is a guy who says he has polling data showing like 75% (dont remember the exact number) support a no flag burning amendment and that Bartlett can win reelection just on this issue. In swoops an independent pollster saying of that 75 or so percent, very few actually said it would influence their vote.

Now, as one of the very few who changed its mind on this issue, while most point to polling that people favor this, I bet the number of people that this would influence their vote are very small. And add to that, no one went from voting for Obama to not because of that and anyone who would go from not voting to voting for him probably are not going to the polls. There are way more pressing needs in this country and gay marriage is like 2,376 on that list of things I would consider in voting for a candidate.

You know, people who pick a candidate based on one issue astound me. I hear people say I cannot understand log cabin republicans (and for the record, I have a gay republican mayor of this town. There is no way in hell I voted for this guy and has nothing to do with his sexuality). It is like another episode of the west wing. Josh is debating a bill with a gay republican senator on this issue and they were going round and round. Finally the senator looks at josh and yells at him to ask the question: How can you be gay and in the republican party? He responds I agree with the vast majority of the republican ideals and one issue is not going to tear me away from the party to a party I largly disagree with.

And bottom line, abortion, gay marriage, etc... are all distraction issues away from the real problems in this country. If I were gay, and I had a choice between Obama and a guy who is steadfast against gay marriage but has great ideas to fix this country and balance the budget, I would vote for the second guy in a heartbeat.

Wow, I had no idea that civil rights aren't real problems. :rolleyes: Civil rights is just as important as balancing the budget. And if balancing the budget is more important than civil rights as you say it is, then why hasn't the conservatives/republicans/or whatever you call yourselves come up with any actual solutions yet?
 
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Congratulations Obama on doing the minimum possible to be considered a decent human being.

Yes . . . a "minimum possible to be considered a decent human being" step that, as it so happens, no U.S. president before him had ever taken.

I'd say finally having a decent human being in the White House is a pretty major accomplishment.
 

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Wow, I had no idea that civil rights aren't real problems. :rolleyes: Civil rights is just as important as balancing the budget. And if balancing the budget is more important than civil rights as you say it is, then why hasn't the conservatives/republicans/or whatever you call yourselves come up with any actual solutions yet?

You want to talk civil rights? Let's talk civil rights. Ill worry about how I and others treated when I have an f'in job. I am 26 with a master's degree and have never been full time (people dont consider GA's and internships full time despite the fact I put up close to 60 pers week with shit pay working just as hard, if not harder, than my full time counter-parts) just to run into a full-time position open in the office and basically be told "waste of time to apply, you are not a female."

We have had the past two presidents, who when big banks and businesses did risky business and got burn, that is ok we will just bail you out. Guess what? The same bad things are going on! Bush tried to warn congress back in 2004 about the risky housing practices and barny frank and his ilk just called the president a racist. If I am the CEO of BoA, why should I quit high risk, high reward ventures if the government will bail me out?

In the career field I am in, I promise you if I was female or a minority, I would have been hired by now. I am doing everything I can and am not even getting phone calls on INTERNSHIPS.

Who the fuck cares about civil rights when in the future inflation is rampant and everyone is shooting each other over a loaf of bread. Zimmerman kills a black kid and it is a national story yet a gang of black THUGS kick the shit out of white people in Akron just for walking down the street and nothing. Duke kids hosted a party, hired strippers (not illegal) and all of a sudden the wacko, money-grubbing whore cries rape and we have a national story. Meanwhile, four black football players from Virginia Union brutally rape a woman and NOTHING.

I know a contractor who was working for the government and had seven men, all white, under him. He was told he needed to hire a black guy or he will be provided one. The guy provided sat around and did nothing while collecting a paycheck. Needless to say, the contractor pulled out of the job.

So I am sorry if I do not have civil rights high on my list because it is bullshit. There is nothing civil about it. I do not see anyone parading for all the bullying and looking down on fat people I see and even get (and for those assholes who say do something about it, I lost 32+ pounds in 5 weeks. But I still got more than a 100 to go to even begin to be treated like a decent human being).

It is nothing more than scoring cheap political points by the President trying to get the young vote (hey asshole, do something to get us jobs and dont have an absolute incompetent fool running your DOJ, for staters, and maybe Ill vote for you).

My position was involving? What the fuck is that?

You cant change hearts and minds through legislation...
 
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You want to talk civil rights? Let's talk civil rights. Ill worry about how I and others treated when I have an f'in job. I am 26 with a master's degree and have never been full time (people dont consider GA's and internships full time despite the fact I put up close to 60 pers week with shit pay working just as hard, if not harder, than my full time counter-parts) just to run into a full-time position open in the office and basically be told "waste of time to apply, you are not a female."

We have had the past two presidents, who when big banks and businesses did risky business and got burn, that is ok we will just bail you out. Guess what? The same bad things are going on! Bush tried to warn congress back in 2004 about the risky housing practices and barny frank and his ilk just called the president a racist. If I am the CEO of BoA, why should I quit high risk, high reward ventures if the government will bail me out?

In the career field I am in, I promise you if I was female or a minority, I would have been hired by now. I am doing everything I can and am not even getting phone calls on INTERNSHIPS.

Who the fuck cares about civil rights when in the future inflation is rampant and everyone is shooting each other over a loaf of bread. Zimmerman kills a black kid and it is a national story yet a gang of black THUGS kick the shit out of white people in Akron just for walking down the street and nothing. Duke kids hosted a party, hired strippers (not illegal) and all of a sudden the wacko, money-grubbing whore cries rape and we have a national story. Meanwhile, four black football players from Virginia Union brutally rape a woman and NOTHING.

I know a contractor who was working for the government and had seven men, all white, under him. He was told he needed to hire a black guy or he will be provided one. The guy provided sat around and did nothing while collecting a paycheck. Needless to say, the contractor pulled out of the job.

So I am sorry if I do not have civil rights high on my list because it is bullshit. There is nothing civil about it. I do not see anyone parading for all the bullying and looking down on fat people I see and even get (and for those assholes who say do something about it, I lost 32+ pounds in 5 weeks. But I still got more than a 100 to go to even begin to be treated like a decent human being).

It is nothing more than scoring cheap political points by the President trying to get the young vote (hey asshole, do something to get us jobs and dont have an absolute incompetent fool running your DOJ, for staters, and maybe Ill vote for you).

My position was involving? What the fuck is that?

You cant change hearts and minds through legislation...

I'm in the same spot as you are. I'm a 25 year old African American with a BA in IT who hasn't been able to find a full time job either, so stop with this "me me me" talk that so many of you like to do and look at the big picture. And you do know that as part of the executive branch, it's not the president's job to produce jobs right? That the role of Congress. Oh wait, that's right, they can't because the Republicans are always saying NO to everything and that they also put Congress on recess every other week.

You wanna know who cares about civil rights? Well I care for one. And also women who want to get the same pay as men. Women who want to be to have full control over their bodies. Gays and Lesbians that want to marry their partners and live and work freely. Minorities that want to have all of the same job opportunities and to be able to climb the corporate ladder like whites can.

And you cant change hearts and minds through legislation? Well I guess that defeats the purpose of the voting system then.
 
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Who the fuck cares about civil rights when in the future inflation is rampant and everyone is shooting each other over a loaf of bread. Zimmerman kills a black kid and it is a national story yet a gang of black THUGS kick the shit out of white people in Akron just for walking down the street and nothing. Duke kids hosted a party, hired strippers (not illegal) and all of a sudden the wacko, money-grubbing whore cries rape and we have a national story. Meanwhile, four black football players from Virginia Union brutally rape a woman and NOTHING.

I know a contractor who was working for the government and had seven men, all white, under him. He was told he needed to hire a black guy or he will be provided one. The guy provided sat around and did nothing while collecting a paycheck. Needless to say, the contractor pulled out of the job.

You know, I've been whiter than just about anybody for some fifty-plus years now.

How is it I've never felt the need to play the "poor oppressed white people" card?
 

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You know, I've been whiter than just about anybody for some fifty-plus years now.

How is it I've never felt the need to play the "poor oppressed white people" card?

Missed the point. I care about civil rights. We just have a lot bigger problems to discuss in this country.

Im not playing that card. I am pointing out how the majority of people care about injustices about minorities but lets not give a shit if whites are mistreated. And all through the Duke case, it was "well these guys got what they deserved because of everything bad that happened to [black people]." What fucking reason! Sure makes me want to go all out for civil rights!

If the President was all about allowing gay marriage, he would find someone to introduce a bill, heavily support it, get big name cosigners, and go full steam ahead (like LBJ did with the civil right bills after JFK died).

Way to stand up for a position that 99.9% of people figured you had.
 
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I'm not sure about other politicians but Obama always does what he says he going to do. Osama Bin Laden anyone?
Obama sat on the fence for long enough,well until he got nearer to re election time..!
 

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Yes . . . a "minimum possible to be considered a decent human being" step that, as it so happens, no U.S. president before him had ever taken.

I'd say finally having a decent human being in the White House is a pretty major accomplishment.

Oh I'm aware of that, I'm just pointing out that this pretty much meets the minimum standard of "uh hey guys....maybe we shouldn't beat our wives...."

It's a good move but he doesn't earn a massive amount of respect for doing it.
 

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Yeah, Obama made a risky move today, but then again this the same President the bailed out the auto industry and took out Bin Laden when nearly everyone was urging him not to.


Yeah he did I agree but I have to say it was very brave and I heard several anchors remark how OBAMA has always been known for his integrity and he was not willing to sacrifice this on an issue he felt strongly about by his continued silence and evasiveness.



This will activate the Teabagging GOP base, but is actually an extremely good move among Independents, the majority of whom support marriage equality by a substantial margin.

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EXACTLY, independents approve of SSM by 65-70% depending on which poll you look at and in people under 30 it is 80%+ .

One thing I do know, this like few other things will energize the youth vote and b/c their president has put his AND their futures on the line with the threat of a ROMNEY presidency, they will mobilize around President OBAMA like they did in 2008.

They also know how important it is that Repugnicans not be allowed to choose upcoming appointments for SCOTUS. If they did, they would gladly undo yrs or progress for women and the environment and the GLBT community.

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One thing I know after hearing ROMNEY lie and say he doesn't support Same sex marriage or even Civil Unions that if you're GLBT and vote for him, you should plan to check your conscience at the door.

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Look at the electoral map, which spells BAD news for Romney.

President OBAMA is only 50 away from the magical number of 270 , however Shitt Flopney is 180 from 270 & MUST get everything Leaning ROMNEY plus ALL toss up states ( not gonna happen), even then he will be 20+ SHORT of 270. This means he has to do everything mentioned plus convert a leaning OBAMA state to him.


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Oh I'm aware of that, I'm just pointing out that this pretty much meets the minimum standard of "uh hey guys....maybe we shouldn't beat our wives...."

It's a good move but he doesn't earn a massive amount of respect for doing it.

Bingo, if he was serious, he would put all his weight behind it. Tough statement to make when he isnt going to lose anyone and might pick up an ill informed voter.

But does anyone honestly think someone is going to go "I was on the fence, but because he came out in support of gay marriage, I will vote for him" or just the opposite?
 

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He's trying to differentiate himself from Romney, because honestly there isn't a huge amount other than looks and charisma.

He wouldn't have said this if he didn't think he'd get at least a few votes out of it.
 

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Considering his position has been steadfast for 20 years... its probably just at a point where the public opinion on gay marriage is that he will gain more voters by supporting it than rejecting it. He is a politician up for re-election, all he cares about right now is votes.
 

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Considering his position has been steadfast for 20 years... its probably just at a point where the public opinion on gay marriage is that he will gain more voters by supporting it than rejecting it. He is a politician up for re-election, all he cares about right now is votes.

Obama did it because he's being consistent and it was the right thing to do. If he was really that concerned about getting votes, he would've kept his mouth shut.