Obama to overturn Bush policy on stem cells

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  1. Mem

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    ^ what he said (but without the paradox of god and science in the same sentence)
     
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    He also vowed to depoliticize science when it comes to science advisory to his administration. Obama is starting our journey back into The Enlightenment.
     
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    yet more change I can believe in!
     
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    It's a good thing.
     
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    This is great news! Finally we can move forward again. Stem cells have too much potential for good (and superfluous [i.e. cosmetic] procedures).
     
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    It's about the ease of suffereing and that is covered by christian principle!
     
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    As a grad student in molecular biology I should warn about expecting anything revolutionary in the near future. ES cells have been used in labs all along. Our understanding about these cells is very limited as well. One thing we do know is that are possible genetic signatures in these cells that may allow them to differentiate into cancer cells so blind therapeutic use should be avoided. I do have a friend that works at a company that generates organs and tissue from stem cells-pretty cool stuff.
     
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    Pre-populated thread of unabashed utilitarians, hardly scientists or ethicists.
     
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    funny -- the arguments for using embryonic stem cells can also be used for the alleged chinese practice of grinding up aborted embryos to whip up a health drink

    in common, there is no moral or ethical context, or proscription
     
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    Do you guys all realize that embryonic stem cell research is only pushed above its (thus far) equally promising adult counterpart because it's patentable?

    Pharmy companies, demanding gov't research grants, stand to profit immensely from any transplantable material or procedure involving it they come up with, as opposed to grafts and potential adult stem cell treatments or anything that uses the genetic material of an identifiable person. It's utter bullshit. It's not about science or medicine, its about intellectual property rights.
     
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    I didn't realize that. Thanks for the additional info. Real powerful argumentation stuff. Could you elaborate or link out?
     
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    yup

    the kool aid has been served and imbibed

    adult stem cell research actually makes much more sense
     
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    Unfortunately I can't cite the bunch of people standing around talking at a Michigan Institute for Continuing Legal Education cockatil party, nor do I particularly want to call my mom about it at the moment.

    However, the opposite problem may be true in Europe. Which may be one reason why the renewed push on this continent:

    Patent rules force stem-cell research to seek alternatives - Scotsman.com News
     
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    Ironically, this research would likely not have happened had their been no Bush moratorium.
     
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    And what a long journey it will be. The US Park Service can now say how old the Grand Canyon is without fear of going against bibilical teachings.

    Then
    HOW OLD IS THE GRAND CANYON? PARK SERVICE WON’T SAY — Orders to Cater to Creationists Makes National Park Agnostic on Geology
    “In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.’”

    Oh and when our own government expert on climate disagrees with the secret Cheney Energy Task Force well just shut his face up.


    Climate Expert Says NASA Tried to Silence Him
    The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.
    And now the long journey back to logic and reason begins......

    Obama Aims to Shield Science From Politics
    .... also issue a presidential memorandum aimed at insulating scientific decisions across the federal government from political influence, officials said yesterday.
     
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    Finally. Born agains rail but science prevails.
     
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    Yes, don't remind me. How fucking embarrassing for us to the rest of the world. Thank God the long nightmare is over.
     
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    Now that is funny. :biggrin1: The Park Service was forced to sell a book at the Canyon's official bookstore, which asserted that the Canyon was carved by the same flood that floated Noah's Ark.​
     
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    It's essentially the reverse of censorship. Wow. Honestly, I have no idea what to call this kind of craziness?
     
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