obama wants workers join unions

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  1. B_Marius567

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    n a Labor Day address to more than 10,000 union members and their families in Milwaukee, President Obama announced a massive new job-creating road, rail, runway and air traffic control rebuilding project.
    Speaking to the Milwaukee Area Labor Council’s annual LaborFest celebration, Obama said it was “the great American middle class that made our economy the envy of the world. It’s got to be that way again.”
    It was folks like you, after all, who forged that middle class. It was working men and women who made the twentieth century the American century. It was the labor movement that helped secure so much of what we take for granted today– the 40-hour work week, the minimum wage, family leave, health insurance, Social Security, Medicare, retirement plans, those cornerstones of middle class security that all bear the union label.
    Joining Obama at the lakefront festivities, were AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Labor Council Secretary Shelia Cochran and Wisconsin AFL-CIO President David Newby.
    Trumka told the crowd “Working women and men in Milwaukee—and all across our country—made America ‘Number 1’ in the world. Now it’s time for America to make working people ‘No.1!’.”
    It’s time for JOBS. For economic patriotism. I want to see the words “Made in America” again—because it’s time to start exporting the things we make, instead of jobs!
    AFL-CIO NOW BLOG | Obama Unveils Huge Infrastructure/Jobs Program at Milwaukee’s LaborFest




    last time I was in a union I was making $3.40 an hour and 5 cents of that was cleaning my uniform at home. the union toke a days pay one week a mouth so I worked 5 day and got paid for 4 days.


    So why do you want to be in a union?
     
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    Where in the article(careful, I read it) did the President say he wanted people to join unions?
     
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    When was that? 1986?

    The last time I was in a union I worked for Pinkerton Security and made $1.85 an hour: it was 1978. My rent in a large two-bedroom centrally located in the East Fens district of downtown Boston (steps from the campus of Northeastern University, which I did not attend) was $210 per month. $30 not only bought over a week's worth of groceries, it paid to have them delivered to the door within the hour.

    ETA: When I got "promoted" to Sgt at Pinkerton, I was no longer in the union, got a $0.15 hourly raise (plus regained whatever I paid to the union) but lost my health insurance: thank gawd I was only 18 and didn't need it.
     
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    What you made back in the 1980s doesn't apply to modern times.
    Besides, even if you're part of a union it's against the law to pay people under minimum wage. But we really appreciate the propagated, fear mongering reading material. At least I don't have to wait until the "Big Bang Theory" to come on to have a few chuckles.
     
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    Unions are right up there with 'frivolous' law suits, regulations and taxes that the rich don't like. That's been the top down message since the 60's.
     
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    Like watching a movie, reading rightwing propaganda requires a considerable amount of 'suspension of disbelief'.

    Don't ask questions, it ruins the fantasy.
     
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    With cognitive abilities like this, I can see why you were stuck in the kind of job where a worker needs the protection of a union.
     
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    Or ask questions that perpetuate the fantasy. Watch Sean Hannity 'interview' Sarah Palin and see the propaganda machine in action.
     
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    I always thought it high-sterical that my extremely conservative, John Birch Society mother and grandmother owed the quality of her lives to my grandfather's union job as a lineman for Bangor Hydro. Every time they'd begin a rant about how unions were destroying the very fabric of society, he'd get up and leave the room.
     
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    Can someone explain to me why Bubba and Gertrude think it's worth $ 40.00 per hour plus paid retirement plus paid medical care for life to use a lug wrench or use an electric screwdriver?
     
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    Lug wrenches are more complicated these days.
     
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    Simple as it is, your math doesn't quite add up. Maybe that's part of your employment problem.

    Or were you only working 5 days a month? Maybe like the Union you're "toking" too much.

    Test question: How many mouths in a year?

    p.s. Last time the minimum wage (presumably less than union scale) was $3.40/hr was over 30 years ago. :rolleyes:

     
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    But lugs are pretty much still the same. :wink:
     
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    Worth repeating. He doesn't say it.

    On the other hand:

    I guess that is bad somehow?
     
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    It's amazing how the language of the 'rich' have now become the language of the 'poor' while income inequality hasn't been this bad since the Guilded Age and we all know how that ended (not good). One has to wonder if the two are not related.

    And unions have played an important critical role in American history that if they hadn't there would be no 'middle class'.
    Interestingly enough in todays WashingtonPost:

    If you've wondered how big banks' profits have rebounded to pre-crisis levels and how American corporations have come to be sitting on $1.8 trillion in cash -- even as unemployment remains well above 9 percent -- wonder no more. They have pocketed their revenue, neither resuming lending (if they're banks), nor rehiring laid-off workers nor giving raises to those who have continued to work for them.

    A similar tale can be told about employers and health insurance, the costs of which have continued to rise. It's not the employers, however, who have borne those increases. A survey, released Thursday by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research & Educational Trust, shows that employee premiums rose 13.7 percent over last year, while the amount that employers contributed dropped -- dropped! -- 0.9 percent.

    Only a purblind ideologue could miss the pattern here. American employers -- more than employers in other nations and more than American employers in earlier downturns -- have imposed the costs of the recession and, increasingly, the costs of doing business, on their workers, and kept for themselves damn near all the proceeds from doing business.
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    A union-free America. Growth down a little, employment down a lot. Profits and productivity up, wages flat. Health-care costs up for workers, down for employers. The return of a thriving middle class? Dream on.

    And a happy Labor Day, one and all.

    Hard times for workers on Labor Day 2010


    Sometimes the answer is so obvious it's an insult to your intelligece to deny it, but insults to intelligence are a daily occurence.

    :biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:


     
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    because the guy telling them what to do makes double that, and the guy profiting from their work is making 50x that.

    If you're so concerned with people making a lot of money for not exactly doing a lot of work, I suggest you start with the guy at the top and work your way down. You're much more likely to uncover waste and corruption a whole heck of a lot more quickly.
     
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    You maybe paying 40 dollars per hour to someone for Bubba to use his wrench, but it's not going in his pocket. I'd guess $15.00 to $25.00 before tax.

    Back when 3.40 an hour was minimum wage, this was good money. It is just average these days.

    The President giving a speech to a labour union on LABOR DAY just proves he is part of the socialist jihad that wants to tear down America. I want my country back.
     
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    Of course it is. We've seen this movie before. Every 70-80 years or so we go through the same cycle, everything goes to shit, and we have to start over swearing, "Well, we learned our lesson, we'll never do that again". It only takes 2 or 3 generations to forget before we're back at the same place. Greed triumphs. The absurdity this time is that we can see it happening according to the playbook, yet apparently those in power are unwilling to stop it. This 'financial crisis' is not over, not by a long shot.
     
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    I stopped reading at the title
     
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    Exactly which is why I don't understand the quest to undo regulations. They are there because somehow in the past something got really fucked up and regulations are in effect 'warning DO NOT DO THIS' and damn if some greedy fuck doesn't come along and undo it. And surprise surprise what was never supposed to happen again happens. And the public gets stuck with the bill while the rich CEO's that pushed for it well they're out in The Hamptions enjoying their new homes.


    As an aside, during these 'hard economic times' I give you:

    The House That Are The Hamptons and it's 29 bedrooms and 39 bathrooms. Built with non-union workers I'm sure
    :smile:
     
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