Obamabot Denial #11... Bill Richardson

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  1. faceking

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    That Bill Richardson is squeaky clean, and has no ties with... and it's just GOP/conservative vicious bashing and...

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    Richardson to withdraw as Commerce secretary

    New Mexico governor cites pending investigation of business dealings
     
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    Do you have some other details or inside info that can backup that statement?
     
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    Seems to be another scandal unfolding every day in the Democratic Party.
     
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    Well, at least these scandals are being dealt with BEFORE they get into office and fuck things up. Politicians do what politicians do regardless of party affiliation. I'm just curious as to why the GOP (for 15 more days) didn't do their homework on their cabinet beforehand?
     
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    The Abramoff scandal ALONE dwarf's all the democratic scandals of the last 50 years combined, and it's barely getting started. Of course, the biased media would rather report on the dem's minor embarrassments.
     
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    Yep Bill Moyers did a scathing expose of the whole Abramoff scandal.

    “A Swashbuckling Spectacle of Corruption”
     
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    That's because the conservative base is trying so desperately to associate scandal and bad politics to the government that is about to take office. They don't see a difference between one scandal from another. If someone from the President-Elect's proposed cabinet walked out of a public bathroom without zipping his fly, they'd call it "Zippergate" and try to associate the guy with Lewd Conduct.

    As for the so-called independents? They're just trying to badmouth everyone in their pursuit of an inexistent third party. One that has no chance in winning any Presidential Election in the current political climate because despite having some interesting political stances, they can't appeal to the masses.
     
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    duplicate, sorry.
     
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    Its entertaining to watch the liberals deflect and redirect on every post. At every pass, its "well the GOP was did this" or "that's what all politicians do" or "just a minor embarrassment" very good guys. Selling a Senate seat and handing over a multimillion dollar gov't contract to a campaign donor are 'minor embarrassments.'

    I guess compared to most of the scandals in the Dem party, they are minor..comparatively.
     
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    Obama knew about this back in August. Richardson thought this would be cleared up by now. As its not, he withdrew so it would not distract Obama and the new administration. Obama has left the door open for Richardson to rejoin the cabinet once the investigation is over.

    Nothing to see here peeps... move along.
     
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    The most corrupt presidential administrations in U.S. history were all Republican: U.S. Grant, Warren Harding, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George W. Bush. What? The sainted Reagan is on the list? I know the Republicans are trying desperately to give him a stature like John F. Kennedy's (although Kennedy wasn't a very good president, either), but here's the rundown on the corrupt and incompetent Reagan administration:
    "By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever." 1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal. The lobbying would not have been illegal had he not been White House Press Secretary.
    2. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Chief of Staff, received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House. Same as with Lyn Nofziger.
    3. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf. Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.
    4. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...
    5. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra. Appointed by William Casey to assist Oliver North.
    6. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush...
    7. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush...
    8. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force. Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras. He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush...


    1. Thomas G. Clines: convicted of four counts of tax-related offenses for failing to report income from the operations;
    2. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States
    3. Richard R. Miller - Partner with Oliver North in IBC, a Office of Public Diplomacy front group, convicted of conspiracy to defraud the United States.
    4. Frank Gomez
    13.. Donald Fortier

    1. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush...
    2. Rita Lavelle was indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.
    3. Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.
    4. Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.
    5. Deborah Gore Dean - executive assistant to Samuel Pierce - indicted on thirteen counts, three counts of conspiracy, one count of accepting an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and five counts of concealing articles. She was convicted on twelve accounts. She appealed and prevailed on several accounts but the convictions for conspiracy remained.
    6. Catalina Villaponda - Former US Treasurer
    7. Joseph A. Strauss - Accepting kickbacks from developers
    8. Oliver North - He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents (by his secretary, Fawn Hall, on his instructions). He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours community service. His conviction was later overturned.
     
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    really, really good redirect
     
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    really
    really important
    to put things in historical perspective
     
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    I have to admit, I too get tired of people (both parties) redirecting to something else when they're put on the spot. This latest thing is far easier to address head on than to redirect to something else completely off topic.

    It's not like Richardson is the first cabinet nominee to have to step down. It happens in every administration folks.
     
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    sleaze factor
    The element in a political party, administration, or other organization that is corrupt, controversial, or tainted by scandal. For example, I can't see myself making a campaign contribution to them--there's too much of a sleaze factor. This slangy expression derives from the adjective sleazy, which means "vulgar" or "tawdry." The idiom was first used in politics in the 1980s.
    Huuum now who was in power during most of the 80's?
     
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    So, um, what happened to #10? Are you genuinely math-impaired, or are you inflating the numbers?

    As for me, I'll wait until the investigation concludes, or at least until it bears out some actual evidence.
     
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    the only difference between zippy bush and veggie reagan is that they taught the older monkey to speak................members of the gop are a waste of oxygen for the most part.
     
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    More Reagan administration details:
    1. Although not convicted, Edwin Meese III, resigned as Reagan's Attorney General after having been the subject of investigations by the United States Office of the Independent Counsel on two occasions (Wedtech and Iran-Contra), during the 3 short years he was in office.
    2. E. Bob Wallach, close friend and law classmate of Attorney General Edwin Meese, was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $250,000 in connection with the Wedtech influence-peddling scandal.
    3. Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense during Iran-Contra. In June 1992 he was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of concealing from congressional investigators and prosecutors thousands of pages of his handwritten notes. The personal memoirs taken during high level meetings, detailed events in 1985 and 1986 involving the Iran-Contra affair. Weinberger claimed he was being unfairly prosecuted because he would not provide information incriminating Ronald Reagan. Weinberger was scheduled to go on trial January 5, 1993, where the contents of his notes would have come to light and may have implicated other, unindicted conspirators. While Weinberger was never directly linked to the covert operations phase of the Iran-Contra affair, he is believed to have been involved in the cover-up of the ensuing scandal. According to Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, Weinberger's notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to congress and the American public. Some of the notes are believed to have evidence against then Vice-President George Bush who pardoned Weinberger to keep him from going to trial.
    4. Raymond Donovan, Secretary of Labor indicted for defrauding the New York City Transit Authority of $7.4. million. Somehow, he was acquitted.
    5. Oliver North – Convicted of falsifying and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting the obstruction of Congress. Conviction overturned on appeal due to legal technicalities.
    6. Duane R. (Dewey) Clarridge was head of the CIA's Western European Division under President Reagan. He was indicted on November 29, 1991 for lying to Congress and to the Tower Commission that investigated Iran-Contra. Clarridge was charged with five counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements for covering up his knowledge of a November 25, 1985 shipment of HAWK missiles to Iran. Clarridge was also suspected of diverting to the Contras weapons that were originally intended for the Afghan mujahaddeen guerrillas. Clarridge received a blanket pardon for his crimes on Christmas Eve 1992 from President George Bush.
    7. Anne Gorscuh Burford resigned amid accusations she politically manipulated the Superfund money.
    8. Savings & Loan Bail-out. Hundreds of billions of dollars were needed to bail out savings and loan institutions that either had failed during the deregulation frenzy of the eighties or were in danger of bankruptcy.
    9. Richard Allen, National Security adviser resigned amid controversy over an honorarium he received for arranging an interview with Nancy Reagan.
    10. Richard Beggs, chief administrator at NASA was indicted for defrauding the government while an executive at General Dynamics.
    11. Guy Flake, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, resigned after allegations of a conflict of interest in contract negotiations.
    12. Louis Glutfrida, Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency resigned amid allegations of misuses of government property.
    13. Edwin Gray, Chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank was charged with illegally repaying himself and his wife $26,000 in travel costs.
    14. Max Hugel, CIA chief of covert operations who resigned after allegations of fraudulent financial dealings.
    15. Carlos Campbell, Assistant Secretary of Commerce resigned over charges of awarding federal grants to his personal friends' firms.
    16. John Fedders, chief of enforcement for the Securities and Exchange Commission resigned over charges of beating his wife.
    17. Arthur Hayes, Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration resigned over illegal travel reimbursements.
    18. J. Lynn Helms, chief of the Federal Aviation Administration resigned over a grand jury investigation of illegal business activities.
    19. Marjory Mecklenburg, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Resources resigned over irregularities on her travel vouchers.
    20. Robert Nimmo, head of the Veterans Administration resigned when a report criticized him for improper use of government funds.
    21. J. William Petro, U.S. Attorney fired and fined for tipping off an acquaintance about a forthcoming Grand Jury investigation.
    22. Thomas C. Reed, White House counselor and National Security Council adviser resigned and paid a $427,000 fine for stock market insider trading.
    23. Emanuel Savas, Assistant Secretary of HUD resigned over assigning staff members to work on government time on a book that guilty to expense account fraud and accepting kickbacks on government contracts.
    24. Charles Wick, Director of the U.S. Information Agency investigated for taping conversations with public officials without their approval.
     
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