Obama's "acting like he's white"

[DC_DEEP]

Does anyone on this forum actually understand what syntax and semantics are?

So Jackson should go after the most powerful black woman in politics or the most powerful black man in the judicial system? Oh wait, is because they are conservative and conservatives are racists? ...Or am I reading into your posts again?

Yes, you are reading into my posts again. See below:

What?? Alright you lost me on this one, DC. Is there some reason "blacks" aren't every bit as qualified as "whites" to be sycophants, sexists, or Republicans? If Jesse picked on these guys you would approve? I don't understand the double standard.

Back off, Skippy. What double standard? I never said Jesse should pick on them, I said I'm surprised he doesn't.

Really? That surprises me. I don't hate on anybody who calls themselves African-American, I just don't think it fits me. The terms black and colored never really bothered me, but I guess that has to do with my gran being from the deep south. I think the awful part of this is that during slavery, the black culture was robbed of just that, their culture. The slaves tried to hold onto what they could (jumping the broom, faith, etc.), but over time even that faded away. The modern black movement wants to get some of that back and I think that is a huge need for the black community as we need the strength and family unity that kept our African ancestors united as a family and a people. Somewhere along the line, we became obsessed with material rather than substance. I'll at least say this about me:

I am a Black American of African heritage. That fits me more accurately.

And you speak only for yourself, just as I spoke only for myself (with the European-American comment.) I wasn't hating on anyone. I suppose we could be even more proud of our heritage, you & me, if we called ourselves "Pangeaen-Americans."

I know what it means. I've seen it too often to say it rarely happens, let alone "very rarely."

"What could Obama have said, that Jackson would not have taken as "acting like he's white"? What will Obama have to do to be "black enough" to satisfy Jesse Jackson? [...] but I really want your response." - DC_DEEP

I do not feel qualified to speak for someone else. It's a retarded question. Thus your point is what? Who knows.

My point is that you are too much of a coward to speculate, even on a subject for which you present yourself as somewhat of an expert, Doctor. Supercilious victim is a wonderful persona for you.

 

[Osiris]

If your were in your thirties, then you were matrure enough and smart enough, not to take any shit from a mall security guard. :smile:

Exactly! :wink: We got a half assed apology, but we didn't shop there again after that and made sure word got around about what had happened.

Even funnier, I heard that mall, which was once the largest in Missouri, is now closed down.

 

[Osiris]

And you speak only for yourself, just as I spoke only for myself (with the European-American comment.) I wasn't hating on anyone. I suppose we could be even more proud of our heritage, you & me, if we called ourselves "Pangeaen-Americans."

Who you calling Pangean boyo? Thems fightin' words. :biggrin1:

 

[Dr. Dilznick]

My point is that you are too much of a coward to speculate, even on a subject for which you present yourself as somewhat of an expert, Doctor. Supercilious victim is a wonderful persona for you.

Such biting wit. Such sharp jabs. You, my friend, are hell on wheels.

I think this is the crux of the matter:


Obama did not attend last week’s march, provoking Jesse Jackson, a veteran of civil rights protests, to complain that the Illinois senator was “acting like he’s white” – though Jackson later said he could not remember using those words. He did say: “If I were a candidate, I’d be all over Jena” – a pointed reference to Obama’s seeming lack of commitment to what has become a touchstone civil rights issue.

B L Moran, a local pastor who is helping the black youths, complained: “Look at all these people who have come from all over the United States. We have not seen anyone of his stature.”

[SIZE=-1]What part of this do you not get? [/SIZE]

 

[B_All4show]

Exactly! :wink: We got a half assed apology, but we didn't shop there again after that and made sure word got around about what had happened.

Good for you.

Even funnier, I heard that mall, which was once the largest in Missouri, is now closed down.

A Chris Rock quote comes to mind, but that is of the stages of malls and bars.

 

[ZOS23xy]

Well, the whole of the Jena 6 situation is largely unresolved, fitted with emotions and a lot of people who have been identified and a number wh haven't been identified as perpetrators.

It's a mixed bag. Considering Al Sharpton's initial foray into the political arena via Tawana Brawley and her "assault", I can see why Obama is steering clear of the issue. He doesn't want to commit himlself with an unresolved issue that may not be as "advertised". Is it racist? Or is it anger? Or is it a joke? Who did what?

 

[B_All4show]

Does anyone on this forum actually understand what syntax and semantics are?Yes, you are reading into my posts again. See below:

DC even when I agree with you, there is still an arguement. I think you like to argue more than being right.

 

[lafever]

naughty,

Thank you for the response, you obviously gave it some genuine thought and for that i thank you, thats the naughty i know.

Your obviously a mod for very good reasons, your ability to see through two sides objectfully to a variable solution, even if that just means to love those untill they can love themselves.

You have in a way been my mentor, i guess i`ve got much to learn from you, and i mean that from the heart.

I agree that he should not be banned, that was never my intention, i only wish someone would spank his bottom.

He knows he`s hiding behind a sensitive subject thats what makes him so shameless and clever, maybe i should just embrase him as one of the family, why not.

I might just enjoy being clever myself, i guess thats what can make this site so enjoyable, being able to disagree while agreeing.

I see now the space in my brain that was slept in for free, i`m closing these brain files for a rainy day, shear bordom, or madness, whichever comes first.

lafever

 

[DC_DEEP]

DC even when I agree with you, there is still an arguement. I think you like to argue more than being right.

All4show, the joke is on me this time. That's what I get for not editing before I click "Submit Reply."


(And yes, contrary to some accusations, I do admit when I know I'm wrong.)

 

[naughty]

BTW, here is a piece of stereotyping that leads me to believe the Jena 6 may be guilty but over charged. I can say based on my experience with fighting black guys, you better be careful, because it is usually not one on one like how white guys fight. Many times it turns into a Malay and if you get down, plan on getting kicked by small black guys or women that you didn't even know they were there.

I know you didnt just say this! I think any one of a certain age in the black community who grew up in the south can tell you that when a black man was lynched it was never a one on one experience. Let's just leave that one alone...

 

[naughty]

Exactly!

I think everyone has experienced racism regardless of color. I'm not suggesting that it's all at the same level/degree or nature either. The problem is when sarcasm, irony or exageration is used to make a point some people are too shallow to see it. Their knee-jerk reaction is normal for someone who is never willing to see any other view but their own. Thankfully most posters here have the right attitude and will openly ask what the actual intention was.

This is uncalled for, So Fla8. There are many times when individuals on this board respond to issues that I can seemingly understand clearly but I am not going to say they are shallow. Yes, we should all try to understand one another's views in a civil fashion though. Would you say the child of a holocaust survivor was shallow because he responded violently to someone marching around with a swastika on their t- shirt?

 

[naughty]

Jesse meant Barack wasn't acting like a victim.

Duh-uh.

NOT! Who knows what Mr Jackson meant. He has been in that groove so long it is well ingrained. He ,as is the case with a number of individuals, seems to believe there is one legit way to be black . Well we all know that Black people as White people as brown people are not monolithic. They may have some similarities but they come in all variations.

 

[naughty]

Really? That surprises me. I don't hate on anybody who calls themselves African-American, I just don't think it fits me. The terms black and colored never really bothered me, but I guess that has to do with my gran being from the deep south. I think the awful part of this is that during slavery, the black culture was robbed of just that, their culture. The slaves tried to hold onto what they could (jumping the broom, faith, etc.), but over time even that faded away. The modern black movement wants to get some of that back and I think that is a huge need for the black community as we need the strength and family unity that kept our African ancestors united as a family and a people. Somewhere along the line, we became obsessed with material rather than substance. I'll at least say this about me:

I am a Black American of African heritage. That fits me more accurately.

Thank you . This so eloquently explains why many Americans of African descent feel the need to embrace the Mother continent.


DC,
we are not dealing with cold hard reason here. We are dealing with generations of dysfunction. For a people who had their individuality and personal cultures striped from them and treated like livestock and later who endured as did many other peoples of color discrimination feelings run deep. I know . I would like for everyone to just get over it too. But it isnt that easy. I dont want to speak for Dilznick but I dont think he was trying to bait you. It just seems that this whole discussions has gone awry. I dont see you as "The Man" I have over the years enjoyed your posts and your level headedness, you know that. None of that has changed just because I needed a little clarification about your choice of certain phrases which you used to express your point. I think Osiris and Dilznick have calmly expressed that we are all probably going to see things through the lense of our own experience. But there is no need for us to come to blows. Personally I dont want to see anyone in here have a stroke over something this simple.

 

[naughty]

So, I will ask for the fourth time: Obama's statement was along the lines of "I would like to see equal and fair judgement for all parties involved." That seems to be the statement with which Jackson took exception, and which he considered "acting like he's white." In regard to the Jena incident(s), what could Obama have said, that Jackson would not have taken as "acting like he's white"?

I have no idea. I cant really speak for him. But I would hazard a guess that because Obama is who he is many do not see him as legitimately representing the African American, Black, Afro American, Negro, Colored community. For generations because there were so few blacks in positions of power many felt that who ever got a chance should be seen as "a credit to the race" I think Obama is a credit to the human race. But that doesnt mean Rev. Jackson sees him as legit. But then that is HIS opinion and definitely not worth any of us, black or white, pro or con having a stroke or losing sleep over.


What will Obama have to do to be "black enough" to satisfy Jesse
Jackson?

Once again who knows and really does it matter in the greater scope of things ? His comment was more a reflection on him than it was on Senator Obama.

This time, I won't fill in the blank (and especially not with irony or hyperbole); but I really want your response, as well as response from Arliss and Dr. Dilznick.

I hope that gave you an idea of what I think about it. I DONT CARE! JESSE JACKSON does not speak for me, at least as far as Barack Obama is concerned.

 

[DC_DEEP]

I know you didnt just say this! I think any one of a certain age in the black community who grew up in the south can tell you that when a black man was lynched it was never a one on one experience. Let's just leave that one alone...

I'm so glad you pointed that out. I didn't want to be the one.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Such biting wit. Such sharp jabs. You, my friend, are hell on wheels.



[SIZE=-1]What part of this do you not get? [/SIZE]

I'm hazarding a guess that it's the same part you do not get.

Fine.

Whatever.

I hope that gave you an idea of what I think about it. I DONT CARE! JESSE JACKSON does not speak for me, at least as far as Barack Obama is concerned.

I get your point.

Fine.

Loud and clear.

 

[naughty]

I'm hazarding a guess that it's the same part you do not get.

Fine.

Whatever.

I get your point.

Fine.

Loud and clear.

Great! So what is the next world's problem we can ALL conquer together?

 

[Osiris]

Great! So what is the next world's problem we can ALL conquer together?

I hate new car shopping. Can we conquer that?

 

[Principessa]

Great! So what is the next world's problem we can ALL conquer together?

What is with people who must have a toothpick or dental pick in their mouth at all times. ? Why am I the only that thinks this is crass?

 

[Osiris]

What is with people who must have a toothpick or dental pick in their mouth at all times. ? Why am I the only that thinks this is crass?

You're not! :smile: