Obama's Own Administration: Obamacare Raises Healthcare Costs

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I think (hope) he meant to say billion.
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War
I would also hope that the point is understood that while we've now spent about an equal amount on the Iraq War as we're expected to spend on the Healthcare legislation, we're getting nothing out of the war, and will be seeing long term savings out of the legislation. One is an investment, the other is a waste. (leaves statement open for everyone to play spin doctor)
Yeah...I meant "billion." Hope I didn't make the stock market crash!
 

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Star,

So by this logic, you are agreeing that socialism is a *good* thing (socialized medicine and education in Iraq) that came out of the war.

Your hypocrisy is very confusing.

-Mike

Oh - you are under the impression that we are instituting a socialist government in Iraq?

Um, how much did you have to drink last night? My post was in reference to the douchebag above that said that everything that has been accomplished in Iraq was a *waste* and I listed a few of the things that had been achieved.
 

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Oh - you are under the impression that we are instituting a socialist government in Iraq?

Um, how much did you have to drink last night? My post was in reference to the douchebag above that said that everything that has been accomplished in Iraq was a *waste* and I listed a few of the things that had been achieved.

Yes, and I am pointing out that we helped institutionalize what some on this forum (including you) call socialist ideas in Iraq... government subsidized heathcare, socialized education, etc.

In fact, the Iraqi constitution (ratified in 2005 - under Bush), guarantees healthcare to every Iraqi citizen for LIFE.

So we illegally invaded a sovereign country (shouting that we are spreading Democracy to the Middle East) to institute a socialist agenda? Why is constitutionally guaranteed heathcare for Iraq OK, and not OK for us?

Why are you not screaming and protesting that we are putting a Socialist government in charge in Iraq?

Instead you are praising it. How's that hypocrisy thing working out for 'ya?
 

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^Please find me a report for any past year that DOESN'T indicate rising health care costs... Better yet, find me a report where the projected costs for the upcoming year go up by less than what the projection is now that HCR has passed... Cuz the last I checked, this is the lowest projected cost increase we've seen in a looong time.
 

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^Please find me a report for any past year that DOESN'T indicate rising health care costs... Better yet, find me a report where the projected costs for the upcoming year go up by less than what the projection is now that HCR has passed... Cuz the last I checked, this is the lowest projected cost increase we've seen in a looong time.

Obama stated that his healthcare reform would bend the cost curve and reduce the deficit by over 100 Billion dollars in the first decade. Obama presented false information to the American people knowing full well that his mess of bills would not cut healthcare costs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un505mz35dY

Even Bernanke told the truth:

...Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke was across town delivering some grim warnings about America’s fiscal future to President Obama’s fiscal commission.
But Bernanke also voiced a surprisingly pessimistic view of Obama’s recently passed health plan, questioning whether the nearly $1 trillion piece of legislation will do much of anything to reduce overall health care spending.


 

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^Or in other words, you just did a bunch of digging, and couldn't find anything to refute my assertion, so instead you're trying to change the subject by regurgitating the same played out crap you always spew.

Thanks, I knew I was correct anyways, but your failure to rebut me proves it.
 

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^Or in other words, you just did a bunch of digging, and couldn't find anything to refute my assertion, so instead you're trying to change the subject by regurgitating the same played out crap you always spew.

Thanks, I knew I was correct anyways, but your failure to rebut me proves it.

Nope. Didn't look for a thing for two reasons: 1) You avoided the actual point in favor of talking about "the lowest projected cost increase" LOL...as if that is actually what Obama asserted with his healthcare reform LOLLLLLLL

and 2) You didn't present any source for your ridiculous assertion to begin with LOL. (you may commence digging to make a pathetic assertion that has nothing to do with what Obama stated over and over LOL)

That made me tear up it was so funny. *sigh*
 

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Obama stated that his healthcare reform would bend the cost curve and reduce the deficit by over 100 Billion dollars in the first decade. Obama presented false information to the American people knowing full well that his mess of bills would not cut healthcare costs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un505mz35dY

Even Bernanke told the truth:
...Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke was across town delivering some grim warnings about America’s fiscal future to President Obama’s fiscal commission.
But Bernanke also voiced a surprisingly pessimistic view of Obama’s recently passed health plan, questioning whether the nearly $1 trillion piece of legislation will do much of anything to reduce overall health care spending.
Why is it every time I look up the 'evidence' you cite, it turns out that you have chosen openly biased 'sources' which have misrepresented what was actually said, if not outright lied about it?

An excerpt of what he actually said...
Ben Bernanke said:
“Under policies in place prior to the recent enactment of the health-care bill, budget projections showed that spending for Medicare and Medicaid would roughly double as a share of national income over the next two decades and would continue to rise significantly further in subsequent years. At this point, the effects of the recent legislation on federal health-care spending over the long term are uncertain, in part because they depend importantly on implementation. But we do know that continued increases in health-care costs at the rate seen in recent decades, together with the aging of the population, would put enormous pressures on the federal budget in coming years. Controlling health-care costs while still providing high-quality care to those who need it will be critical not only for budgetary reasons, but for maintaining the dynamism of the broader economy as well. "

And a link to his entire speech, unedited and without the typical misrepresentation by hyper-partisan trolls here...
FRB: Speech--Bernanke, Achieving Fiscal Sustainability --April 27, 2010


Keep spin, spin, spinning Trinity, and I'll keep calling you out on your litany of ignorance and bullshit.
 
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Why is it every time I look up the 'evidence' you cite, it turns out that you have chosen openly biased 'sources' which have misrepresented what was actually said, if not outright lied about it?

An excerpt of what he actually said...


And a link to his entire speech, unedited and without the typical misrepresentation by hyper-partisan trolls here...
FRB: Speech--Bernanke, Achieving Fiscal Sustainability --April 27, 2010


Keep spin, spin, spinning Trinity, and I'll keep calling you out on your litany of ignorance and bullshit.

Nothing was misrepresented by the Daily Caller. If you prefer to read the same representation of what Bernanke said from another source...here you go:

Bernanke: Stem Deficit or Risk "Great Damage"

Federal Reserve Chairman Urges White House, Congress to Devise Plan to Cut Trillion-Dollar Deficit

Bernanke also warned that policymakers shouldn't think that growing the economy - and thus tax revenues - will remedy the situation. "Unfortunately, we cannot grow our way out of this problem," Bernanke said. "No credible forecast suggests that future rates of growth of the U.S. economy will be sufficient to close these deficits without significant changes to our fiscal policies."

Rapidly rising health-care costs and the aging of the U.S. population are among the forces putting pressure on the deficits in the years ahead, Bernanke said.

At this point, Bernanke said the impact of the recently enacted health care legislation on federal health-care spending over the long run is uncertain. However, what is clear is that continued increases in health-care costs at the rate seen in recent decades - along with a graying population - would put "enormous pressures" on the federal budget in the coming years. Controlling health-care costs is a critical part of the deficit-reduction equation, he said.

Bernanke said the federal budget currently appears set to stay on an "unsustainable path." Hard choices must be made by policymakers sooner, rather than later, to fix this, the Fed chief said.
CBS news

Obama touted his Healthcare reform would reduce costs and bend the cost curve - AND IT DOESN'T. Bernanke is conceding that Obama's legislation isn't capable of helping to keep this country from GREAT DAMAGE.

Thanks for allowing me to fully demonstrate that due to your severe lack of understanding. :rolleyes:
 

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Ben Bernanke said:
At this point, the effects of the recent legislation on federal health-care spending over the long term are uncertain

Obama touted his Healthcare reform would reduce costs and bend the cost curve - AND IT DOESN'T. Bernanke is conceding that Obama's legislation isn't capable of helping to keep this country from GREAT DAMAGE.
So, Bernanke says the results are "uncertain", and you misconstrue that to mean "great damage"...

Keep the lies up, this is one of your funnier moments to date! lololololol
 
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So, Bernanke says the results are "uncertain", and you misconstrue that to mean "great damage"...

Keep the lies up, this is one of your funnier moments to date! lololololol

Evidently you don't comprehend what you read. Bernanke said it and he was clear that healthcare costs are a major risk to this nation and Obama's healthcare reform cannot be counted on to do with any degree of certainty what Obama touted. :rolleyes:
 

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Now you're back peddling like all trolls do when confronted with reality... Only moments ago you claimed that Bernanke said that HCR would do "GREAT DAMAGE"... Now you're claiming that Bernanke said that HCR is a "major risk"... Which lie is the real lie?

Why do you keep insisting on disrespecting an honorable man like Ben Bernanke, by putting words in his mouth?
 

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Obama touted his Healthcare reform would reduce costs and bend the cost curve - AND IT DOESN'T. Bernanke is conceding that Obama's legislation isn't capable of helping to keep this country from GREAT DAMAGE.

Thanks for allowing me to fully demonstrate that due to your severe lack of understanding. :rolleyes:

So, Bernanke says the results are "uncertain", and you misconstrue that to mean "great damage"...

Evidently you don't comprehend what you read. Bernanke said it and he was clear that healthcare costs are a major risk to this nation and Obama's healthcare reform cannot be counted on to do with any degree of certainty what Obama touted. :rolleyes:
It's quite clear who has gotten the better of this exchange. And who has comprehension problems. T puts words in Bernanke's mouth, gets called out and spins it to "cannot be counted on" lololllll. :rolleyes:

Bernanke said, "At this point, the effects of the recent legislation on federal health-care spending over the long term are uncertain, in part because they depend importantly on implementation."

You get an F for this effort.
 

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It's quite clear who has gotten the better of this exchange. And who has comprehension problems. T puts words in Bernanke's mouth, gets called out and spins it to "cannot be counted on" lololllll.

Yes, it was quite clear who has gotten the better of this exchange. There were no words put into Bernanke's mouth when what he stated was clear. And headlines online say "cannot be counted on" worded in similar fashion. :rolleyes:

Ben Bernanke: Obamacare Savings Are No Sure Deal

Bernanke: Savings from Obamacare 'Uncertain'


Bernanke said, "At this point, the effects of the recent legislation on federal health-care spending over the long term are uncertain, in part because they depend importantly on implementation."

That's right "they depend importantly on implementation" - that is what the Republicans said from the beginning. The Democrats knew they were going to wipe out any savings with the Doc Fix and other cuts that more than likely won't see the light of day. Even Bernanke knows Obamacare - Obama's signature legislation as passed is a joke and will DAMAGE the Economy. Bernanke's speech is a demand to Stem the Deficit or Risk Great Damage and He Called Out Obama's signature legislation as having no certainty to do anything to reduce the deficit.

Bernanke clearly stated he had no confidence in Obamacare to do anything to help with the dire situation of the deficit which is precisely what Obama sold his signature legislation would do...what this thread is about. Fact - Obamacare RAISES HEALTHCARE COSTS

Thank you so much for futher making that clear to everyone with your need to put your foot in your mouth.

You get an F for this effort.
That's your grade Vince.

Oh and BTW...trying to get an insult in is priceless when you can't defend the fact that Obama's healthcare reform RAISES HEALTHCARE costs and the Fed Chair clearly states he has no confidence in it to do as Obama claimed. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you would do better sticking to the issue.