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OMG! John McCain wins election! What Happened?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by stratedude, Nov 3, 2008.

  1. stratedude

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    Somebody had to start this thread - might as well get it going now.

    Any thoughts on what happened and why so many were wrong?
     
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    I'd imagine the reports that you exist in a parallel universe were proved correct.

    Two words: Dewey Wins.
     
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    Diebold et al conspiracy.
     
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    Voter fraud.
     
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    The liberals got a last minute clue … as hard as that is to believe lol! :biggrin1:
     
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    The gauntlet has been thrown. Tomorrow night, I'll be posting smileys allllll over this thread!
     
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    I'm a LIBERAL and I have many clues...
     
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    The Senate investigation reveals widespread voter fraud conducted by Voter machine manufacturers who have no bid contracts awarded by Bush appointees.


    Large scale dis-enfranchisement results in riots in every major city and massive marches on Washington demanding stiff penalties... supreme court throws out elections results in fear of their safety from angry mobs and rules that only those votes cast in districts using audit-able ballots and voting machines that can be proven unbiased will be counted...

    Recount shows Obama won and Obama is sworn into office. Massive protests follow, demanding a new election...but, as announcement of Obama win simmers down civil unrest, Supreme Court stands by its decision.

    Senate and House empanel special prosecutors to aggressively prosecute the republican appointees responsible. Numerous bagmen take immunity and finger Cheny, Rove, and others in the Bush administration and McCain campaign staff.

    Republicans begin declaring themselves Libertarians at a breakneck pace- not wanting to be tarred with the voter fraud debacle.

    RNC is defanged by having their assets seized as part of investigation...
    Media manipulation becomes spotlight focus of political excesses and Media ownership is, once again, regulated and limited; Rupert Murdock is forced to give up ownership of FOX.

    Bill Oreilly and Sean Hannity are fired after their total viewership falls to 351, and 128

    By early 2010, the Republican party ceases to exist.
    Conservatives are driven to the Libertarian party- which becomes more moderate to seem less lunatic fringe.

    The American electorate, sobered by this flirtation with fascism, turn away from evangelical churchs in droves. Laws are passed concerning church politicking and numerous mega-churches lose their tax exempt status.




    Seems, all in all, like a good outcome to me... let's just pray the republicans are STUPID enough to steal an election that is so clearly lopsided.


    That right there would end republican politics forever.
     
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    Only way I think McCain could win at all would be through what political scientists call the Bradly Effect. But other than the the only other way would be through fraud or having a large majority of the votes not counted because of some law; for example Florida's No Match, No Vote law. Any questions?
     
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    What is the square root of 906,785?
     
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    I don't know. Not a mathematician.
     
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    Is there anyway that the liberal/democrats would accept any kind of victory from McCain/Palin? :feedback:
     
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    Thank god for calculators right?
     
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    :yup:
     
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    Tomorrow is out Judgment Day? lol
     
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    I think response bias in the polls explains this unexpected outcome. People weren't willing to admit that they liked McCain over Obama in the polls. People saying they were for McCain or for the war were subjected to all sorts of insults, but people admitting to liking Obama were more often treated with respect. In the election booth people knew they could cast their votes in private and choose McCain.

    I think it's now time that we all come together and support President McCain.
     
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    so am i a liberal and i have a clue as well. and one is that 1bigg1 hasn't got a clue .
     
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    Nostradamus Writings Predict McCain Victory DAYTON, Ohio (CAP) - While most pundits and polling outfits are leaning towards a Barack Obama win on Nov. 4, one source noted for his prognostication skills is backing the race's maverick as the favorite to eek out a victory.
    "Conventional wisdom picks Obama. Nostradamus, four and a half centuries ago, picked John McCain," said Dr. Hubert Evans, professor of Renaissance Studies at Yale University and author of the best-selling Nostradamus: Prophesize This!
    "Quatrain 78, Century X in particular seems to indicate that Obama had better not be measuring the White House windows for curtains quite yet, at least by my interpretation," said Dr. Evans.
    The quatrain to which Dr. Evans refers - Quatrain 78 - is located in the grouping of stanzas known as Century X. Originally published in 1555 in Nostradamus' still-popular Les Prophecies, Quatrain 78 reads in full:
    At the war's end
    The Feeble Kept-One will strike down the Night
    And his Imbecile Queen will rise from the snow
    Bedecked in finery and the pelt of a wolf.
    While a liberal reading of the quatrain may seem to some to contain hidden, relevant meaning, many scholars label as hogwash the idea that Nostradamus was able to see and predict events that would happen so distantly in the future.
    "Whenever current events cough up a notable historic chapter, like on 9-11, the Nostradamus nuts are right there, twisting text to make the prediction meet the event," said renowned skeptic and paranormal debunker Chip Manheim. "Just in terms of comparison, take a look at the next quatrain from Century X, Quatrain 79. This, incidentally, was the last quatrain that Nostradamus ever wrote:
    "In five moons, the Feeble Kept-One is no more
    And his Imbecile Queen sees the Great Bear
    From her backyard, alrighty, and flings giant poison arrows
    And the Great Bear responds in kind, and, well, The End.
    "What the fuck does that even mean?" an exasperated Manheim asked. "See, you can pull whatever interpretation you want out of your ass and you're good to go. I guarantee there will be a whole new spin on Tuesday if Obama wins, and Nostradamus will look like a genius. Mark my words."
    The McCain campaign meanwhile has seized on the endorsement and has been proudly trumpeting it at rallies.
    "My friends, Nostradamus believed in us because he knew, knew that Sen. Obama would raise his taxes!" McCain told a rabid Dayton crowd before leading them in a rousing chant of "Nostradamus don't like no Obamas!"
     
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    if it was an actual victory im sure we would but a victory is WON not GIVEN and seeing as most of the poles are showing the same thing and seeing how that the last two elections was a crook my opinon here. there should be no victory for them, but tomorrow will tell. so the same question in reverse for you can the republicans except a victory from OBAMA BIDEN?
     
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    Century X, Quatrain 78 actually reads:

    Subite ioye en subite tristesse
    sera à Rome aux graces embrassées
    dueil, cris, pleurs, larm, sang, excellent liesse
    contraires bandes surprinses et troulsées.

    (Sudden joy to sudden sadness
    It will occur at Rome for the graces embraced
    grief, cries, tears, weeping, blood, excellent mirth
    contrary bands surprised and trussed up.)

    (source)

    "Sudden joy to sudden sadness" sounds more like the 2000 election than the 2008 election...
     
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    the only crook act that I saw was when Gore and his attorneys aggressively sought to throw out all the military voters in Florida. In my opinion, that was dishonest and very unethical.

    I will support Obama if he wins. Because unlike my liberal friends who cannot support someone on the other side, Obama will be my president. However, the thing that I am really afraid of, is that in a few years we would be better referred to as the United States Socialist Republic (the new USSR)
     
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    yes, it was a joke:cool222:


    "In five moons, the Feeble Kept-One is no more
    And his Imbecile Queen sees the Great Bear
    From her backyard, alrighty, and flings giant poison arrows
    And the Great Bear responds in kind, and, well, The End.
    :eek:


     
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    Actually it will be the U.S.S.A. (United Scocialist States of America).

    I've stated it before and I'll state it again. As long as there is no voter fraud (vote early, vote often) I'll support Sen. Obama. I won't like it but I'll support it.

    It will be interesting to see if the "experts" are right about the election or not. We can predict until we are blue in the face but it's not until the final vote is counted or one side concedes to the other that the election is won.

    Sklar
     
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    source?

    (This oughta be good...)
     
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    Well, whatever happens, I think that as someone said earlier in the thread, people who are voting for McCain in the privacy of the voting booth probably would not tell publicly for fear of ridicule or criticism perhaps...ultimately, i do not know how many of those folks there are by percentage, and while it may not be major, who knows if it is enough to sway things in swing states...

    after all, if the polling is 48% Obama, 44% McCain, and say 8% undecided, I have to think most of those undecided may break for McCain...

    most Obama supporters have shown themselves to be very solid, right from the start, and the votes he has picked up along the way seemingly got to a place where they said to themselves "yes, i am convinced"...but if the undecideds are not sold on Obama, after all the charisma, positive vibes, etc. etc., it makes you wonder if they are in fact really "undecided" or if they are just to afraid to say they are voting McCain because they are a bit nervous about Obama for whatever reason, and won't be nervous alone in the booth...

    who knows...obviously, those undecideds won't swing California, or New York etc. but you just never know in places like North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Ohio etc...

    I have to believe that if you are not sold on Obama by now, you wont make the leap of faith tomorrow...he seems like a candidate people are either solidly behind or solidly against, whatever their reasons...while McCain is certainly the less inspiring choice, he may seem to an undecided to be the "safer choice" for no real reason, other than he is "experienced" and a relatively known commodity even if they may not agree with all he represents...

    there was also an interesting McCain memo (below) about exit polling in 2004, that showed that exit polling for Kerry turned out to be over 5.5% overreported than the actual results....

    make of this what you will, but i really don't like exit polling...i think it is very dangerous and totally undemocratic...

    i wish the networks would hold off until +ALL+ the votes are in.

    this is not fair to either republicans or democrats, or americans in general...getting the news first should not be as important as getting it right.

    the MCCain staff memo

    (I am not endorsing McCain, FYI, but it does make interesting reading, and if true, is disturbing and should be adressed by not releasing exit polling at all)


    McCAIN CAMPAIGN MEMO: READING THE EXIT POLLS
    BILL McINTURFF, INTERNAL POLLSTER
    Mon Nov 03 2008 16:53:14 ET

    As we have seen in previous election cycles, the exit poll results do leak early and that ends up influencing the coverage of the race before even the first state polls close at 6:00 PM Eastern.

    However, we want to remind the campaign that the media’s own post-election study of the exit polls in 2004 showed that the exit polls overstate the Democratic candidate’s support. Therefore, we would discourage a rush to judgment based on the exit polls and wait until there has been a representative sampling of actual tabulated results from a variety of counties and precincts in a state.

    Here are the key points to keep in mind when the exit poll data starts being leaked:

    1. Historically, exit polls have tended to overstate the Democratic vote.

    2. The exit polls are likely to overstate the Obama vote because Obama voters are more likely to participate in the exit poll.

    3. The exit polls have tended to skew most Democratic in years where there is high turnout and high vote interest like in 1992 and 2004.

    4. It is not just the national exit poll that skews Democratic, but each of the state exit polls also suffers from the same Democratic leanings.

    5. The results of the exit polls are also influenced by the demographics of the voters who conduct the exit polls.

    After the 2004 election, the National Election Pool completed a study investigating why the exit polls that year showed John Kerry over performing 5.5 net points better than the actual results showed him to have done. Their conclusion was that the primary reason the exit polls was that Kerry voters and Democrats were more likely to participate in the exit polls.

    “Our investigation of the differences between the exit poll estimates and the actual vote count point to one primary reason: in a number of precincts a higher than average Within Precinct Error most likely due to Kerry voters participating in the exit polls at a higher rate than Bush voters. There has been partisan overstatements in previous elections, more often overstating the Democrat, but occasionally overstating the Republican.

    We believe that this will hold true this year. The recent Fox News survey showed that 46% of Obama voters said they were very likely to participate in the exit polls, while just 35% of McCain supporters are.

    In fact, even the 2004 exit poll report noted that higher turnout nationally and higher levels of voter interest in both 1992 and 2004 correlated with greater Within Precinct Error.

    The overstating of the Democratic vote did not only occur in the national exit polls, but also occurred in the state exit polls. The 2004 exit poll report cited that the Kerry vote was overstated by more than one standard error in 26 states, while the Bush vote was overstated in just four states. So we should also expect the individual state exit polls on Tuesday to be more Democratic as well.

    So given that turnout is expected to be even higher than 2004 and that Democrats are more likely to participate in the exit polls, this means we should expect greater fluctuation and variation in the exit polls from the actual election results.

    The 2004 exit poll report also showed that the greatest error in the exit poll came in precincts where the interviewer was younger. The completion rates were lower and the refusal rates and Within Precinct Error was higher when the interviewers were under the age of 35.[6] Complicating this is that nearly half the interviewers were under the age of 35, including 35% who were 18-24 and another 15% were 25-34.

    Conclusions

    Based on the previous exit poll results, we should expect once again that Tuesday’s exit poll data could overstate the Obama vote and under represent the McCain vote.

    It is important that the campaign make sure the media realizes this, so that when the exit polls do leak, people do not overreact to the early exit poll data. Rather than looking at the exit polls, we should wait until we start seeing actual election results from key precincts and counties to gauge who won the election.
     
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    One can only pray after tomorrow night. Many of these screen names shall not be heard from again.
     
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    i agree my self included here. but i haven't been to bad lol i hope, and if we do see the screen names that they are preaching a diffrent subject.
     
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    honest answer thanks much but i feel like we are there already with some of the past policy the past 8yrs, have given us. every one makes mistakes but they should learn by them an admit it and go on. i dont think this has been done with G.B. and i also think OBAMA will make many mistakes as well but not the ones i think will hurt us in the worst way. but only time will tell.
     
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