OMG! John McCain wins election! What Happened?

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The quatrain to which Dr. Evans refers - Quatrain 78 - is located in the grouping of stanzas known as Century X. Originally published in 1555 in Nostradamus' still-popular Les Prophecies, Quatrain 78 reads in full:
At the war's end
The Feeble Kept-One will strike down the Night
And his Imbecile Queen will rise from the snow
Bedecked in finery and the pelt of a wolf.

Century X, Quatrain 78 actually reads:

Subite ioye en subite tristesse
sera à Rome aux graces embrassées
dueil, cris, pleurs, larm, sang, excellent liesse
contraires bandes surprinses et troulsées.

(Sudden joy to sudden sadness
It will occur at Rome for the graces embraced
grief, cries, tears, weeping, blood, excellent mirth
contrary bands surprised and trussed up.)

(source)

"Sudden joy to sudden sadness" sounds more like the 2000 election than the 2008 election...
 
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if it was an actual victory im sure we would but a victory is WON not GIVEN and seeing as most of the poles are showing the same thing and seeing how that the last two elections was a crook my opinon here. there should be no victory for them, but tomorrow will tell. so the same question in reverse for you can the republicans except a victory from OBAMA BIDEN?

the only crook act that I saw was when Gore and his attorneys aggressively sought to throw out all the military voters in Florida. In my opinion, that was dishonest and very unethical.

I will support Obama if he wins. Because unlike my liberal friends who cannot support someone on the other side, Obama will be my president. However, the thing that I am really afraid of, is that in a few years we would be better referred to as the United States Socialist Republic (the new USSR)
 

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yes, it was a joke:cool222:


"In five moons, the Feeble Kept-One is no more
And his Imbecile Queen sees the Great Bear
From her backyard, alrighty, and flings giant poison arrows
And the Great Bear responds in kind, and, well, The End.
:eek:


Century X, Quatrain 78 actually reads:

Subite ioye en subite tristesse
sera à Rome aux graces embrassées
dueil, cris, pleurs, larm, sang, excellent liesse
contraires bandes surprinses et troulsées.

(Sudden joy to sudden sadness
It will occur at Rome for the graces embraced
grief, cries, tears, weeping, blood, excellent mirth
contrary bands surprised and trussed up.)

(source)

"Sudden joy to sudden sadness" sounds more like the 2000 election than the 2008 election...
 
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However, the thing that I am really afraid of, is that in a few years we would be better referred to as the United States Socialist Republic (the new USSR)


Actually it will be the U.S.S.A. (United Scocialist States of America).

I've stated it before and I'll state it again. As long as there is no voter fraud (vote early, vote often) I'll support Sen. Obama. I won't like it but I'll support it.

It will be interesting to see if the "experts" are right about the election or not. We can predict until we are blue in the face but it's not until the final vote is counted or one side concedes to the other that the election is won.

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Well, whatever happens, I think that as someone said earlier in the thread, people who are voting for McCain in the privacy of the voting booth probably would not tell publicly for fear of ridicule or criticism perhaps...ultimately, i do not know how many of those folks there are by percentage, and while it may not be major, who knows if it is enough to sway things in swing states...

after all, if the polling is 48% Obama, 44% McCain, and say 8% undecided, I have to think most of those undecided may break for McCain...

most Obama supporters have shown themselves to be very solid, right from the start, and the votes he has picked up along the way seemingly got to a place where they said to themselves "yes, i am convinced"...but if the undecideds are not sold on Obama, after all the charisma, positive vibes, etc. etc., it makes you wonder if they are in fact really "undecided" or if they are just to afraid to say they are voting McCain because they are a bit nervous about Obama for whatever reason, and won't be nervous alone in the booth...

who knows...obviously, those undecideds won't swing California, or New York etc. but you just never know in places like North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Ohio etc...

I have to believe that if you are not sold on Obama by now, you wont make the leap of faith tomorrow...he seems like a candidate people are either solidly behind or solidly against, whatever their reasons...while McCain is certainly the less inspiring choice, he may seem to an undecided to be the "safer choice" for no real reason, other than he is "experienced" and a relatively known commodity even if they may not agree with all he represents...

there was also an interesting McCain memo (below) about exit polling in 2004, that showed that exit polling for Kerry turned out to be over 5.5% overreported than the actual results....

make of this what you will, but i really don't like exit polling...i think it is very dangerous and totally undemocratic...

i wish the networks would hold off until +ALL+ the votes are in.

this is not fair to either republicans or democrats, or americans in general...getting the news first should not be as important as getting it right.

the MCCain staff memo

(I am not endorsing McCain, FYI, but it does make interesting reading, and if true, is disturbing and should be adressed by not releasing exit polling at all)


McCAIN CAMPAIGN MEMO: READING THE EXIT POLLS
BILL McINTURFF, INTERNAL POLLSTER
Mon Nov 03 2008 16:53:14 ET

As we have seen in previous election cycles, the exit poll results do leak early and that ends up influencing the coverage of the race before even the first state polls close at 6:00 PM Eastern.

However, we want to remind the campaign that the media’s own post-election study of the exit polls in 2004 showed that the exit polls overstate the Democratic candidate’s support. Therefore, we would discourage a rush to judgment based on the exit polls and wait until there has been a representative sampling of actual tabulated results from a variety of counties and precincts in a state.

Here are the key points to keep in mind when the exit poll data starts being leaked:

1. Historically, exit polls have tended to overstate the Democratic vote.

2. The exit polls are likely to overstate the Obama vote because Obama voters are more likely to participate in the exit poll.

3. The exit polls have tended to skew most Democratic in years where there is high turnout and high vote interest like in 1992 and 2004.

4. It is not just the national exit poll that skews Democratic, but each of the state exit polls also suffers from the same Democratic leanings.

5. The results of the exit polls are also influenced by the demographics of the voters who conduct the exit polls.

After the 2004 election, the National Election Pool completed a study investigating why the exit polls that year showed John Kerry over performing 5.5 net points better than the actual results showed him to have done. Their conclusion was that the primary reason the exit polls was that Kerry voters and Democrats were more likely to participate in the exit polls.

“Our investigation of the differences between the exit poll estimates and the actual vote count point to one primary reason: in a number of precincts a higher than average Within Precinct Error most likely due to Kerry voters participating in the exit polls at a higher rate than Bush voters. There has been partisan overstatements in previous elections, more often overstating the Democrat, but occasionally overstating the Republican.

We believe that this will hold true this year. The recent Fox News survey showed that 46% of Obama voters said they were very likely to participate in the exit polls, while just 35% of McCain supporters are.

In fact, even the 2004 exit poll report noted that higher turnout nationally and higher levels of voter interest in both 1992 and 2004 correlated with greater Within Precinct Error.

The overstating of the Democratic vote did not only occur in the national exit polls, but also occurred in the state exit polls. The 2004 exit poll report cited that the Kerry vote was overstated by more than one standard error in 26 states, while the Bush vote was overstated in just four states. So we should also expect the individual state exit polls on Tuesday to be more Democratic as well.

So given that turnout is expected to be even higher than 2004 and that Democrats are more likely to participate in the exit polls, this means we should expect greater fluctuation and variation in the exit polls from the actual election results.

The 2004 exit poll report also showed that the greatest error in the exit poll came in precincts where the interviewer was younger. The completion rates were lower and the refusal rates and Within Precinct Error was higher when the interviewers were under the age of 35.[6] Complicating this is that nearly half the interviewers were under the age of 35, including 35% who were 18-24 and another 15% were 25-34.

Conclusions

Based on the previous exit poll results, we should expect once again that Tuesday’s exit poll data could overstate the Obama vote and under represent the McCain vote.

It is important that the campaign make sure the media realizes this, so that when the exit polls do leak, people do not overreact to the early exit poll data. Rather than looking at the exit polls, we should wait until we start seeing actual election results from key precincts and counties to gauge who won the election.
 

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the only crook act that I saw was when Gore and his attorneys aggressively sought to throw out all the military voters in Florida. In my opinion, that was dishonest and very unethical.

I will support Obama if he wins. Because unlike my liberal friends who cannot support someone on the other side, Obama will be my president. However, the thing that I am really afraid of, is that in a few years we would be better referred to as the United States Socialist Republic (the new USSR)


honest answer thanks much but i feel like we are there already with some of the past policy the past 8yrs, have given us. every one makes mistakes but they should learn by them an admit it and go on. i dont think this has been done with G.B. and i also think OBAMA will make many mistakes as well but not the ones i think will hurt us in the worst way. but only time will tell.
 

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One can only pray after tomorrow night. Many of these screen names shall not be heard from again.

You can bet that if Obama wins, certain names will stick around for about a week continuing the whining, crying and bitching that they've been doing for the last few weeks. If McCain wins, I'm sure we'll see at least 25-50 threads from Republicrackheads talking about how Democrats are feeling bitter, angry and mad.

Either way, we're unfortunately stuck with these asses for a while. It's a shame because they make the few sensible and rational thinking Republicans look bad. Then again, I'm just an Obamabot. Yeah. A blind Obamabot who originally voted for Clinton. :rolleyes:
 
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You can bet that if Obama wins, certain names will stick around for about a week continuing the whining, crying and bitching that they've been doing for the last few weeks. If McCain wins, I'm sure we'll see at least 25-50 threads from Republicrackheads talking about how Democrats are feeling bitter, angry and mad.

Either way, we're unfortunately stuck with these asses for a while. It's a shame because they make the few sensible and rational thinking Republicans look bad. Then again, I'm just an Obamabot. Yeah. A blind Obamabot who originally voted for Clinton. :rolleyes:

Just a question, what has Obama done to get your vote?
 

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Just a question, what has Obama done to get your vote?

Obama has a stance on the issues that is similar to my original choice, Hillary Clinton. McCain doesn't. So since I can only vote for the remaining two candidates (because writing in Hillary's name won't do a damn thing but waste a vote), mine goes to Obama. You can use ontheissues.org to figure this out.

I try my hardest to tune out all of the political rhetoric, character attacks and mud slinging between the candidates because whether or not people are afraid to trust a black man or a person with a Middle Eastern middle name does not concern me. And I'm not afraid of the word "taxes" either.
 

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Lol...of course not, you don't have to pay them, so why should be afraid?

I knew clicking on "view post" would reveal the same old bullshit.
You know, for a straight boy who supposedly has it made in the shade financially, you're really hangin' on this gay boy's nuts. Stop acting so ignorant and stupid. Life must be REALLY pathetic for you if you're still trying to keep this argument up.

All you can do is hide behind your forum persona and tease. Remember, the offer still stands if you want to see how I roll. Last time I offered, you backpedaled like the coward you really are. The door is open a second time. Put up, or STFU.
 

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I knew clicking on "view post" would reveal the same old bullshit.
You know, for a straight boy who supposedly has it made in the shade financially, you're really hangin' on this gay boy's nuts. Stop acting so ignorant and stupid. Life must be REALLY pathetic for you if you're still trying to keep this argument up.

actually, you are the one who is so pathetic that you cannot ignore me. I make a point, then you are so desperate to see what i wrote you take me off your ignore list LOL...talk about hanging on someone. I don't care if you're gay...and since i am straight i see no correlation, other than the sad fact that you seem to bring irrelevant orientation into an argument which involves no sexual reference.



All you can do is hide behind your forum persona and tease. Remember, the offer still stands if you want to see how I roll. Last time I offered, you backpedaled like the coward you really are. The door is open a second time. Put up, or STFU.


i see you have a problem with stating the truth...you said you weren't afraid of taxes, i made a point you are not the one who pays them...how exactly is that bullshit? Or is stating a fact bullshit?

you are in fact not afraid cause you will not pay the attendant taxes, period.

yes, i recall how you roll...as for my "back pedalling" i remember how you told me you were among "the best at what you do" (DJing, from what you told me) to the point where you were flown all over the world to do your thing...i believed you...however you said you only earned 23,000 a year...

i did some research on what the best DJ's are paid, and frankly, if all you are making is 23 thousand from your computer job, then you are not a very good DJ...

i took the liberty of reseaching your claim about DJing and costs etc., and i find it strange that you are among the top in your field, are flown all over the world, yet only make 23k a year...apparently, the DJ's who are *TRULY* tops in their field, can look forward to things like this

so i post this, since these people seem to know about DJ'ing, and if you were truly as to pas you claim like these folks named Tiesto and Cox, you would in fact be making fortune, no?



"DJ fees depend on a variety of factors, including type of event (eg, club, rave, private party, corporate-sponsored party), size of venue, as well as whether or not the contract is long-term (eg, "residency") or a one-time event. At a club like Crobar NY, a guy like Tiesto (who is at the top with PVD and a few others) was recently paid $50K/night for 2 back-to-back nights (Saturday & Sunday). That's $100K total. That's a lot, it's true, but remember, he has a staff of people that he pays as well, not to mention travel expenses. It's possible to earn even more. For example, at a beach rave in southern Brazil two years ago, I was told (by the organizer) that Carl Cox was paid $60K. Agents for DJs typically want to know the capacity of the venue, the cover charge (if any), the sponsor's marketing efforts and budget, among other factors. Accordingly, for a smaller club like Cielo, the DJ fee will naturally be lower, but Cielo is known to have a top-notch music program in a venue providing an intimate, upscale environment (where DJs can play a little differently, hone their skills, etc). For some events, a top DJ can get a cut of the cover charge...which means his compensation isn't a flat fee, but rather depends on the turn-out that night. DJ fees for residencies are a whole other ball game because the DJ has the club's marketing muscle behind him consistently in one market, and there's real value in that. Finally, in Ibiza, certain high-profile clubs (like Space) do not pay DJs their typical fees because (i) DJ sets are typically only 2-3 hours long; and (ii) there is a prestige factor to spinning there)."
 
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