On being civil to incivility, or...

[Klingsor]

Family separation? If I had my kids with me and shoplifted a diamond ring what would happen to my kids?

Interesting that you equate seeking asylum with the theft of a diamond ring.

 

[b.c.]

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Remember though... WE'RE supposed to "go high."

 

[Penis Aficionado]

Thank you for your input.

I think both parties have platforms/policies built around an ideology and both cater too much to the wealthy elite, and I'm not blind to that fact.

What is the Democrats' ideology? Can you state it in a few concise sentences?

 

[b.c.]

What is the Democrats' ideology? Can you state it in a few concise sentences?

NO... We couldn't POSSIBLY know what Democratic/liberal ideology is, because It couldn't POSSIBLY have ANYTHING to do with all the ISSUES, POSITIONS, and concerns many here have been TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS NOW.

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with inclusion and the power of diversity, a fairer minimum wage, immigration reform, the wealthy paying a fairer share of taxes, disparity in law enforcement, criminal justice reform, environmental protections, ensuring the Social Security safety net for senior citizens, assistance and housing for the poor, better gun control laws, affordable and comprehensive healthcare, securing a lasting peace in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, equal pay for women, a woman's right to choose, consumer protections, regulations on drilling and fracking, capping unlimited and undisclosed campaign contributions, the collective bargaining rights of workers, voter ENFRANCHISEMENT instead of voter SUPPRESSION, the recognition of gay rights and same sex marriages, and the rejection of the use of "religious freedom" as an excuse to discriminate... and that just off the top of my head.

Nah...... we've just been making this s---------- UP as we went along.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

That's not an ideology; it's a set of policy positions. Most Americans generally agree with some while disagreeing with others. Even Democratic officials are mostly free to pick and choose which of these they support.

So what is the belief system that ties them together?

 

[b.c.]

That's not an ideology; it's a set of policy positions. Most Americans generally agree with some while disagreeing with others. Even Democratic officials are mostly free to pick and choose which of these they support.

So what is the belief system that ties them together?

Just as I thought. You didn't really WANT an answer. Inclusion, assistance to those in need, the recognition of same sex unions, safeguarding the environment etc. etc. are all beliefs and ideas upon which "policies" are based, and you -------- well KNOW that.

Stop wasting my time, bud.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

Sorry! Feel free to run for office and when they ask you why you're running, say "Inclusion, assistance to those in need, the recognition of same sex unions, safeguarding the environment etc."

I'd love to see how that does against "Make America great again!"

 

[b.c.]

Sorry! Feel free to run for office and when they ask you why you're running, say "Inclusion, assistance to those in need, the recognition of same sex unions, safeguarding the environment etc."

I'd love to see how that does against "Make America great again!"

Right. In other words I should do what you tried to accuse Democrats of doing. Run on the basis of "who will be pleased and who will be offended."

This series of exchanges with you is a perfect example of what I was talking about at the start of this thread... trying to meet those inclined to normalize hate based mean spirited Republican policy making, HALFWAY.

First you come in trying to insinuate that Republicans stick to an ideology while suggesting that Democrats don't have one short of "trying to please people."

I meet you halfway by acknowledging both parties' tendency to pander to the rich, and how both parties try to appeal to certain groups of people, and your response is "What is Democratic ideology?

Then when I spell out what they (we) support and believe in, you reject the response via some bullshit linguistic technicality. Figures.

Tell ya what, bud. How 'bout you look it up YOURSELF? Here's a START:

Democrats.org: Change that Matters

 

[Jjz1109]

Interesting that you equate seeking asylum with the theft of a diamond ring.

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Interesting you chose to respond in a demeaning, superior manner, ignoring the question. Liberal elitism.

 

[keenobserver]

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Interesting you chose to respond in a demeaning, superior manner, ignoring the question. Liberal elitism.

What's not interesting is you can't see the difference. The question was properly answered. If you don't understand it, it's really not worth trying to explain it to you.

 

[Jjz1109]

What's not interesting is you can't see the difference. The question was properly answered. If you don't understand it, it's really not worth trying to explain it to you.

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Someone here illegally is breaking the law. Someone stealing is breaking the law.

 

[tripod]

That's not an ideology; it's a set of policy positions. Most Americans generally agree with some while disagreeing with others. Even Democratic officials are mostly free to pick and choose which of these they support.

So what is the belief system that ties them together?

Belief system? I dunno if we can pin a political party like the Democrats down to a singular "belief system".

The Republican Party has a "belief system" and it's called religion and the constitution. By religion I mostly mean Christianity... and by Christianity I mostly mean Evangelicals.

Their belief system is found in two documents... it's simple and straight forward.

Democrats? Not as straight forward.

Traditionally in the 20th century, agriculture, labor and regulatory policies have been the biggest differences between the Democrats and Republicans... but an ideology?

I'm sort of running a blank on that.

The last coherent vision of a Democratic president was JFK's 'New Frontier" which was definitely an ideology:

"We stand today on the edge of a New Frontier — the frontier of the 1960s, the frontier of unknown opportunities and perils, the frontier of unfilled hopes and unfilled threats. ... Beyond that frontier are uncharted areas of science and space, unsolved problems of peace and war, unconquered problems of ignorance and prejudice, unanswered questions of poverty and surplus."

 

[b.c.]

What's not interesting is you can't see the difference. The question was properly answered. If you don't understand it, it's really not worth trying to explain it to you.

Exactly.

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Interesting you chose to respond in a demeaning, superior manner, ignoring the question. Liberal elitism.

------- puhLEEZE.

As if mocking the separation of families and the internment of children via some callous-azz SNARK about "stealing a diamond ring" wasn't SELF demeaning ENOUGH.

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Someone here illegally is breaking the law. Someone stealing is breaking the law.

And how about snatching children from the arms of parents and housing them in detention camps, in parts unknown, without due process, and holding them hostage?

What do you call that?

How about barring the media, the Red Cross, and other officials from visiting or seeing the inside of these caged facilities?

 

[keenobserver]

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Someone here illegally is breaking the law. Someone stealing is breaking the law.

Actually they are not. Your willful ignorance is sad and funny at the same time. Someone here seeking asylum is not breaking the law, Duh. There is a difference that I earlier predicted you chose not to see. Thanks for the validation.

 

[Jjz1109]

Meh.

Try to keep your emotions in check. I know it’s hard for you.

 

[Jjz1109]

Actually they are not. Your willful ignorance is sad and funny at the same time. Someone here seeking asylum is not breaking the law, Duh. There is a difference that I earlier predicted you chose not to see. Thanks for the validation.

Duh. And you have a pleasant evening.

 

[deleted15807]

How about barring the media, the Red Cross, and other officials from visiting or seeing the inside of these caged facilities?

We have no feelings whatsoever for illegals. The Bible told us so.

 

[b.c.]

We have no feelings whatsoever for illegals. The Bible told us so.

Exactly.

"Meh" - Republican for, "I really don't GIVE a damn, do you?" Trumpsters should have "Meh" stamped on their foreheads.

Making A-MEH-ica grate a gain.

 

[chicagosam]

We have no feelings whatsoever for illegals. The Bible told us so.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

Right. In other words I should do what you tried to accuse Democrats of doing. Run on the basis of "who will be pleased and who will be offended."

This series of exchanges with you is a perfect example of what I was talking about at the start of this thread... trying to meet those inclined to normalize hate based mean spirited Republican policy making, HALFWAY.

First you come in trying to insinuate that Republicans stick to an ideology while suggesting that Democrats don't have one short of "trying to please people."

I meet you halfway by acknowledging both parties' tendency to pander to the rich, and how both parties try to appeal to certain groups of people, and your response is "What is Democratic ideology?

Then when I spell out what they (we) support and believe in, you reject the response via some bullshit linguistic technicality. Figures.

Tell ya what, bud. How 'bout you look it up YOURSELF? Here's a START:

Democrats.org: Change that Matters

Jeez, you're just stubbornly refusing to see the difference between an ideology and a set of policies. Hint: If you find it easier to post a link than state your ideology, you don't have a coherent ideology.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets it. She has an ideology: "No one should be too poor to live." But that's not the Democratic Party's ideology. The Democratic Party is scared shitless of her, because she has an ideology.

Here's the Republican Party's ideology, as summed up by someone who disagrees with it: "Life is a competition. Free markets decide who wins and loses. Only you can change your own circumstances, by working harder and making better decisions. Believe in God and do what He says in the Bible. Everything was better before the Sexual Revolution."

All Republican policies grow out of these core beliefs. Republican politicians who don't adhere to these beliefs and promote the corresponding policies quickly find themselves banished.

Democrats do not have anything similar. They have policies without ideology, and thus they don't even agree on what their policies are.

If you disagree, then I say once again: State the Democratic Party's ideology.