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'He Wanted People to Be Killed': Morning Joe Pinpoints Damning Evidence Against Trump in Capitol Riot

The “Morning Joe” host said Trump’s lack of concern for Vice President Mike Pence’s safety was particularly damning, especially when he had incited anger against his running mate for signaling that he would not try to overturn their election loss when Congress certified the electoral votes.

“They were going around screaming, ‘Hang the vice president,'” Scarborough said. “Donald Trump was the one inciting them against the United States. Even though Mike Pence, his wife, and his children were trapped in the Capitol building while the rioters were going around screaming for Mike Pence’s head, Trump never called him, never checked on him — never did anything to try to protect Mike Pence and his family.”

“That shows you again the state of this guy’s mind while the rioting was going on,” Scarborough added. “He wanted people to be hurt, and he wanted people to be killed. I don’t know what other conclusion you draw for that when he knows, he incites people against the vice president. He’s gleeful at the violence he sees on the TV according to Mike Pence and others around Donald Trump at the time. He knew his vice president’s life was in danger, and he did nothing about it.”

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Booker: It would be 'constitutionally dangerous' not to conduct full Trump impeachment trial | TheHill
Study Shows Election Misinformation Fell 73 Percent After Trump Off Twitter | Complex
 

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OF TURNING WORMS AND SUCH - RESISTANCE WASN'T FUTILE
In TODAY'S news and on various fronts, the "WOKE" are apparently only now just AWAKENING to the realization that they were being completely CONNED over the last 5 years by those who they've placed their faith and trust in, SOME even ready and willing to die for.

Beginning with today's revelation that their "chosen one" the SAME one who lied to their faces about a deadly virus, obstructed science based information, gave them quack "cures" and incited insurrection against safe measures imposed to protect their OWN families and communities, NEVER had a plan for an effective RESPONSE.

... With the discovery that their savior was (by their own definition now) a con-artist and a "wimp" as if the FACT that most of the people he pardoned while slinking out the door were FRAUDS... people GOT OVER, and who preyed upon the working class, the poor, and the uninformed... who took advantage, just like HIM.

and that their trusted deep source "q"... their "informant," sayer of SOOTH, and ordainer of "divine providence" turns out to be just some nutjob MAKING UP SHIT ON THE FLY,

prolly working out of mom's basement, and who closed out half a decade of bogus assed fantasies with something akin to, "Well, we sure did have us some LAFFS didn't we? Keep those checks acomin' now, y'HEAH??"

An awakening, might I add, that would NEVER have come about had the grifting dictator WANNA-BE and his seditionists succeeded in pulling off the RUSE.

Which, in the aftermath leads one to wonder how in the F----- could 7.4 MILLION PEOPLE be so easily flummoxed and bamboozled by liars and frauds ... how could they place their FAITH and FATES, in clearly obvious BULLSHIT?

The answer to which is, EASILY. All it took was a WILLINGNESS to believe the WORST of people viewed as something "OTHER."

QAnon watch parties expecting violence dissolve into horror when Biden/Harris inaugurated

'A Total Failure': The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump


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Funny how waking up POLITICALLY can suddenly make dreams seem more real while turning past realities into, "How the fk did we ever go THERE?" Like when Kamala Harris Was Mocked and Laughed at for Demanding Trump Be Banned From Twitter — But Nobody’s Laughing Now or how Republican Objectors After Capitol Attack Now Want Unity.

Immediately after the Capitol Riot there were calls for resignations and such GOP congresswoman told to resign for failed coup attempt: ‘You disgraced your office on Day 4’ GOP staffers threatening to quit if their bosses don't impeach TrumpBacklash to GOP coup sweeps papers nationwide, w/ calls for Brooks, Hawley, Cruz, more to resign but since President Biden's inauguration and calls for unity, the GOP has been trying to co-opt "unity" as a cover for getting away with the same stuff they've ALWAYS done (to no one's surprise).

 

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TRUTH:

'He Wanted People to Be Killed': Morning Joe Pinpoints Damning Evidence Against Trump in Capitol Riot

The “Morning Joe” host said Trump’s lack of concern for Vice President Mike Pence’s safety was particularly damning, especially when he had incited anger against his running mate for signaling that he would not try to overturn their election loss when Congress certified the electoral votes.

“They were going around screaming, ‘Hang the vice president,'” Scarborough said. “Donald Trump was the one inciting them against the United States. Even though Mike Pence, his wife, and his children were trapped in the Capitol building while the rioters were going around screaming for Mike Pence’s head, Trump never called him, never checked on him — never did anything to try to protect Mike Pence and his family.”

“That shows you again the state of this guy’s mind while the rioting was going on,” Scarborough added. “He wanted people to be hurt, and he wanted people to be killed. I don’t know what other conclusion you draw for that when he knows, he incites people against the vice president. He’s gleeful at the violence he sees on the TV according to Mike Pence and others around Donald Trump at the time. He knew his vice president’s life was in danger, and he did nothing about it.”

ALSO:

Cities angry with Trump over millions in unpaid rally expenses | CTV News
'I had no qualms': The people turning in loved ones for the Capitol attack
Booker: It would be 'constitutionally dangerous' not to conduct full Trump impeachment trial | TheHill
Study Shows Election Misinformation Fell 73 Percent After Trump Off Twitter | Complex
It really takes time to realize what most likely was the plan. One reason we have trouble is that we don't want to think that what was apparently going on was, in fact, really going on!

Here is my scenario of what Trump wanted to happen.

When the mob reached the House, the House and Senate members were suppose to still be in the seats counting electoral votes.

Nancy and Mike would have been taken hostage. I don't know the actual specific chain of events.

However, I have become convinced that through whatever acts the mob would be taking, the House and Senate with the mob holding rifles would have "voted" Trump in as president. Only two deaths may have been needed. On the other hand tens of tens may have had to be killed to get the 270 electoral votes Trump wanted.

This was an military style attempted coup!

A senator or representative would have announced to the nation that Donald J Trump won the Electoral College with over 300 electoral votes.

I don't believe that Mike and Nancy would have succumb
to the mob and would have been executed. Mitch would have gone with who he believed was going to win. If Mitch thought that the military would go along with this charade, Mitch would have been the person in charge of counting electoral votes.

There is not even a hint of any moral fiber in Mitch McConnell!

I don't know what specific details were in Trump's mind. We all know that Trump had serious mental issues.

I have no doubt that Trump really believed that his mob would enter the Capitol, and they would somehow get the 270 or more electoral college votes needed to name Trump to a second term.

I also believe that Trump thought the Supreme Court would approve of the electoral college vote done with riffles aimed at members of Congress,

Someone in the Trump Organization failed to tell the mob that Trump was not mentally competent and to disregard Trump's marching orders!

On the other hand, there were enough people in the right places that were able to get all the Congress to safety before the military mob entered the House and Senate,

Of course Trump told the mob he loved them but for them to go home. Trump was trying to save his own ass!

--- Our Republic Did Survive! ---

- We Have Much to Be Thankful! -
 

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Thanks, @Freddie53 for your insightful perspective and commentary.

Yes we have much to be thankful for, including the possibility that the GOP just MIGHT have planned, tried, and succeeded in pulling off SOME kind of last minute shenanigans on their OWN - if the rioters had NOT overplayed their hand in staging a riotous murderous storming of the seat of GOVERNMENT.

Remember, 147 of them STILL VOTED to overturn the VOTE OF THE PEOPLE... AFTER the insurrection. An outright AFFRONT to our democracy that has soured MUCH of America's tolerance for their kind of s------:

GOP senator: Trump 'committed impeachable offenses' | TheHill
Glenn Kirschner: Trump Criminally Liable in Capitol Insurrection
How Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley have set themselves up to be expelled from the Senate: Historian | Salon.com
DC AG Karl Racine Considers Charging Trump for Inciting Capitol Riots
'Get off the plane': Passengers shout down Trump rioters as they're thrown off flight home - Raw Story

400,000 People Sign Petition Calling For Proud Boys To Be Listed As Terrorist Organisation - UNILAD


 

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Thanks, @Freddie53 for your insightful perspective and commentary.

Yes we have much to be thankful for, including the possibility that the GOP just MIGHT have planned, tried, and succeeded in pulling off SOME kind of last minute shenanigans on their OWN - if the rioters had NOT overplayed their hand in staging a riotous murderous storming of the seat of GOVERNMENT.

Remember, 147 of them STILL VOTED to overturn the VOTE OF THE PEOPLE... AFTER the insurrection. An outright AFFRONT to our democracy that has soured MUCH of America's tolerance for their kind of s------:

GOP senator: Trump 'committed impeachable offenses' | TheHill
Glenn Kirschner: Trump Criminally Liable in Capitol Insurrection
How Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley have set themselves up to be expelled from the Senate: Historian | Salon.com
DC AG Karl Racine Considers Charging Trump for Inciting Capitol Riots
'Get off the plane': Passengers shout down Trump rioters as they're thrown off flight home - Raw Story

400,000 People Sign Petition Calling For Proud Boys To Be Listed As Terrorist Organisation - UNILAD

"Yes we have much to be thankful for, including the possibility that the GOP just MIGHT have planned, tried, and succeeded in pulling off SOME kind of last minute shenanigans on their OWN - if the rioters had NOT overplayed their hand in staging a riotous murderous storming of the seat of GOVERNMENT."

This is exactly what may have happened. Now that Trump can't harm the career people, the FBI may get an multi encyclopedia size content info of what happened and when.

The FBI can do an investigation and determine if you held it with your right hand or left hand when you pissed in the toilet. Determine the volume and know exactly how many urine spots landed on your slacks and how long it took for them to dry! The FBI can even find out if you farted or not while taking a piss!

Some of those Republicans may have already developed bladder control issues due to stress they fear will come their way and soon.

Serves them right for what they have done to our nation!
 

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I feel so, so sawee for them. Boo hoo!

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Right. So do I. And their continuous efforts to cover for Trump and support election fallacies (because their poor privileged EGOS can't otherwise accept that they were rightfully WHIPPED at the polls) only proves how worthy they are of ALL the BLOWBACK coming their way.

MORE BLOWBACK:

Republicans who tried to overturn election are paying for it in lost corporate campaign cash
Secret Service officer placed under investigation after accusing lawmakers of treason on social media
GoFundMe Bans Fundraising For Travel To Trump Rallies
'Treason!': Whoopi Goldberg Brings the Hammer Down on Clarence Thomas' Coup Supporting Wife
Second Miami bank severs ties with Donald Trump -- 4 banks are now shunning him

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The fact is the GOP has been showing us for DECADES who and what they were, and were all about. It NEVER was a secret to those of us who could clearly read it for what it WAS... AND IS.

It's just that NOW people are no longer inclined to quietly accept the abhorrently UNACCEPTABLE. Long overdue.... imo. If America had stepped up to vociferously put this sh--t down from the start, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in NOW:

Mitt Romney: Trump Impeachment Trial Important For 'Unity,' 'Accountability' | HuffPost
'Its roots are deep': Noam Chomsky breaks down just how dangerous Trumpism is
Google will stop donating to members of Congress who voted against certifying the US election result
Twitter bans MyPillow CEO - POLITICO
Petition Urging Amazon, Walmart to Pull MyPillow Hits 60,000 Signatures

On being civil to incivility:

Jerks will be jerks. But do we have to silently put up with their behavior, words?

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In rereading the latest comments by @Freddie53 and my response, I wish to acknowledge my unintentionally REMISS reply regarding what we have to be thankful of.

SPECIFICALLY, being thankful of the fact that for every Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Tucker Carlson, Stephen Miller, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, and a seemingly endless assortment of OTHER demagogues, retrogressives, bigots, obstructionists, hate mongers, and others of odious repute - AND their sycophants,

there is STILL in this country, at least ONE who'll not subscribe to hate, racism, fascism, authoritarianism, and other forms of malicious and malevolently negligent ideologies and governance. At least ONE who'll RESIST and who'll step up to call it out for WHAT IT IS:

Andy Beshear, Kentucky governor, says 'we're not going to be bullied' amid threats to statehouses
Legal scholars, including at Federalist Society, say Trump can be convicted - POLITICO
Bar Complaint Filed Against Rudy Giuliani
Attorneys General Sue To Block Trump’s Last-Minute Environment Rules - Zenger News
Teen Who Reported Right-Wing Father to FBI Raises $110K
UN Chief Urges Global Alliance To Counter Rise Of Neo-Nazis | HuffPost
Canada's Parliament Unanimously Voted To Classify Proud Boys As A Banned Terrorist Organization!


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