Once again, obama gets it right !!!!!

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Due to this thread, I now officially have a HUGE crush on Bbucko :wank:

Although peronally, there was so much of those two posts that went over my head, because a lot of politics goes over my head which fucking sucks cause I totally want to understand it BUT ITS SO FRICKIN COMPLICATED...:aargh4:
 

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Excellent observation, TomCat. But don't forget about all of the more conservative Democrats that Rahm Emanuel recruited for the 2006 elections (as chair of the DCCC) in which the Democrats took back the House.

You know, its my sincere belief that people would respect the Democrats more if they didnt hem and haw- if they actually proudly admitted the fact they are liberal, and want *gasp* liberal policy outcomes. The Democrats only grow balls when they are in the minority
 
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Most of these motherfuckers are simply evil and they need to be kept in their place. And, right now, the Dems are all we've got.

Exactly. Pure evil. Whatever you think of the democrats the alternative is pure unadulterated evil.....
The Freedom and Liberty crowd are hawking their ideas. Are we ready for First Class Citizens whom the Constitution protects and a class which it does not? Are you ready to repair our government by destroying the Constitution? Big Money finances and drives the Tea Party movement, whose snake oil salesman like Palin and Beck are peddling a habit forming kind of sugar coated poison for the ultimate benefit billionaires and the multi-billionaires, long dissatisfied with the system of government that allowed them to prosper.

So what do these billionaires and multi-billionaires on the far right want. They want Freedom and Liberty; but it is more like freedom from and liberty to. They want freedom from paying taxes for anything that does not directly benefit them. They want freedom from having to pay for anyone else’s retirement, disability or health care, freedom from paying for public education or for the operation of any part of government which is not involved with protecting their physical security, freedom from minimum wage laws and wages and hours and safety laws, freedom from having to obey the same laws as everyone else. They also want liberty to do whatever they want, to treat people anyway they want, to have their own private security forces with the authority of law enforcement and arrest and deploy to protect their interests, as we see in the Gulf region and of course liberty to take and use the nation’s natural resources as their own property and to despoil the environment.

Now they want to market and quantify liberty, to slice it and sell it to the highest bidder. Inside this area you are free, outside there is shooting. Wear this lapel button and the cops salute. They want First Class Citizens and Second Class Citizens, like holders of non-voting corporate shares. What do they want? Turn back the clock to the late 1970's and 1980's. Think Franco’s Spain, Pinochet’s Chile, Argentine juntas and Brazil’s slum cities with walled mansions for the rich. That is what they want and they will accept nothing less.

Ordinary people might not even know the actual names of those who exported their jobs, stole their pensions, are working hard to destroy their safety nets and safety protections in factories and mines and braking their unions. These are the same people who have polluted their air, poisoned their water and stole natural resources. The despoilers deny that these resources belong to all Americans. Thanks to corrupt politicians, mostly Republicans and some Democrats too, who they helped to elect, the believe that their cash entitles to them to treat the nations resources as their own private property, bought at the bargain price political bribes and fraudulent promises of honest stewardship.

These are the people have waged a stealth class war and won it and now are throwing it in our faces. We now read news reports the ideas of rich people with un-American ideas, now running directly for high public office and of multi-billionaires like the Koch brothers who have worked for years to undermine democratic government as most people understand it. This has happened before in other countries. The result is always despotism. If these people take power here, invest in companies who build and operate privatized internment camps.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?_r=1
 

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You're right... I didn't form my statement clear enough.
What I was trying to say is that sometimes I wish Obama was more progressive on certain things. Although we did get HCR signed (which was important and I'm glad that something got passed), it still was pale in comparison to what we could have received.

I agree entirely with you: HCR in its present state is embryonic. That doesn't mean that, with careful rearing and encouragement it won't grow eventually into a strapping, bright young thing. But pardon me while I remain skeptical whether Reid or Pelosi are quite up to the task; the good news is that, with such an extended period of incubation, there will remain the possibility of more muscular and affirmative stewardship at some later date.

One of the least impressive aspects of our political system is that the different partisan bases select candidates through an endless primary process dictated by the parties (and, of course, corporate interests, both local and national), but it's the Independents, divorced from the primary process, who actually make the final decision. Any hope for reform in this area is completely futile: it'll never happen. George Washington hated the concept of political parties, even as they were being formed under his very nose; it must have been very discouraging for him. But I guess that's the way we humans are hardwired: the us/them dichotomy is part of our innate nature.

Let me repeat to you, TC et al: it's not that you don't have some extremely legitimate points. After six frustrating years at the back of the bus and two more at the front but not driving it, every progressive/non-conservative/true fiscal conservative expected more than they've gotten, and some of the compromises have been more distasteful than others.

The ship of state is not a speed boat or cabin cruiser: it's the QE2 attached to an aircraft carrier. I doesn't turn on a dime; I'm not sure anyone would really want it to. But remember: the cries of not having done "enough" are the mirror-image of the Socialist/Fascist/Death Panel talk (if toned down only slightly in rhetorical absurdity): yes, I'm being serious.

Due to this thread, I now officially have a HUGE crush on Bbucko :wank:

Although peronally, there was so much of those two posts that went over my head, because a lot of politics goes over my head which fucking sucks cause I totally want to understand it BUT ITS SO FRICKIN COMPLICATED...:aargh4:

I'm open to a three way. :wink:

hhhhmmmm...:33: a threesome...:sigh:...FINE, whatever :rolleyes:
now get two or three more guys in, THEN we're talkin :firedevil:

Odd-numbered groups always make the best action provided everyone finds a good spot and stays focused, though three's still a tad small for my taste :cool:

Remember your Fitzgerald: "And I like large parties. They’re so intimate. At small parties there isn’t any privacy."
 

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In California, independent voters (here referred to as "decline to state" for purposes of voter registration) are permitted to participate in the primaries of the parties which consent to it, which both the Democrats and Repubicans do (the Greens do not). All a voter has to do is request that particular party's ballot at the polls when signing in, and one can switch back and forth between parties in subsequent elections. Someone, in a comment on a news site I was reading, recently stated that the same practice is currently the case in 17 states.

One of the least impressive aspects of our political system is that the different partisan bases select candidates through an endless primary process dictated by the parties (and, of course, corporate interests, both local and national), but it's the Independents, divorced from the primary process, who actually make the final decision. Any hope for reform in this area is completely futile: it'll never happen.
 

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The president once again pointed out in elegant but plain language why the War in Iraq must be part of our past. He graciously acknowledged his predecessor and told us bluntly that the pullout from Afghanistan starts next year and it is NOT an endless war for the US.
This stupid war in Iraq killed 4400 Americans, injured more than 35, 000 and brought death , injury and pain to millions of Iraqis.
As the president correctly pointed out, now we must work to provide our returning vets with jobs, the best of health care, housing and college educations through the renewed and enhanced post 9-11 GI bill.
God bless our troops, our vets and our president.
and all you nay sayers can go to hell.:wink:

my brother was shot during a 6 hour fire fight in Iraq but he still volunteers to go back to iraq. he makes $100.000 year and pays no taxes when he is over in Iraq.
 

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MIDLIFE BEAR: yes, do kiss Harry on the cheek and be glad . Sharon Angle would just as soon you were in prison. She is a nightmare. Go see Harry in person. in your state of Nevada, that is possible. i think you might find you have more in common with him than you know.
 

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In California, independent voters (here referred to as "decline to state" for purposes of voter registration) are permitted to participate in the primaries of the parties which consent to it, which both the Democrats and Repubicans do (the Greens do not). All a voter has to do is request that particular party's ballot at the polls when signing in, and one can switch back and forth between parties in subsequent elections. Someone, in a comment on a news site I was reading, recently stated that the same practice is currently the case in 17 states.

That leaves 64% of the 50 states caught in the situation I was describing: I'm not being pedantic, but it's true.

ETA: The party "elites" (take that any way you'd like) are also responsible for selection of primary candidates, regardless of who may or may not vote for them.
 
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Outline how the federal government can be dismantled, streamlined and realigned. Then go sell it with reason and intelligence.

In spite of years pushing for 'small government' I don't think they know what that looks like. Though I suspect it's the elimination of social security, Medicare and Medicaid. The other huge piece of the federal budget, military spending, would largely go untouched and continue to dwarf what the next ten countries combined spend. Of course life expectancy in the United States would plummet but hey we would still be able to kick ass if we need too.