once again, the Obama foreign policy is successful !!

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I do not think Obama is a racist, but has no PR sense and has idiots around him who know nothing about PR.

Good PR spin is helpful. So is honesty and integrity. Among politicians (and I realize that I'm setting the bar very low), I'd say he ranks pretty high.
 

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Good PR spin is helpful. So is honesty and integrity. Among politicians (and I realize that I'm setting the bar very low), I'd say he ranks pretty high.

His whole handling of the Princeton professor fiasco in the summer of 2009 and one of the photos of the white house meeting between the cop, professor and President Obama RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE of the President far ahead of the professor and cop with the cop helping the professor down the stairs.
 

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Whatever! That is all beside the point....
I'm going to put aside... really all of that....That isn't the point.....That isn't the point either.... that isn't the point.
A very popular style of debate amongst politicians.


is completely and utterly invalid based on that term being the correct application neither colloquially nor scientifically
I thought the metaphor made his point well. Clearly we dont agree and you do not care to debate why it was apt.
 

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A very popular style of debate amongst politicians.

Because there was only one point... not several. The additional points you made (whether I disagreed with them or not) were irrelevant to the cause of action- Racism doesn't mean what you've posited it means.


I thought the metaphor made his point well. Clearly we dont agree and you do not care to debate why it was apt.

I'm pretty sure I've already said that the sentence in question wasn't a metaphor. It wasn't an analogy and it wasn't an allegory. It wasn't a simile or a turn of phrase, a lexical stretch or a hypocatastasis. He made a statement that was inherently false.

We don't agree but the subject at hand has absolutely nothing to do with your penultimate post.

Favoring the wealthy at the expense of any other class doesn't make anybody a racist.

Again, if you have some other point of contention, I'll be happy to engage you on it (more than happy at this point.) But the original source of this "disagreement" is the application of the word racist where said term is not applicable.



JSZ
 

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I'm pretty sure I've already said that the sentence in question wasn't a metaphor. It wasn't an analogy and it wasn't an allegory. It wasn't a simile or a turn of phrase, a lexical stretch or a hypocatastasis.
Resorting to wikipedia, "Bullinger gives the following example: one may say to another, “You are like a beast.” This would be simile, tamely stating a fact. If, however, he said, “You are a beast” that would be metaphor. But, if he said simply, “Beast!” that would be hypocatastasis,"

I reckon that means he used example 2, metaphor. In the example above, presumably the person spoken to is in fact a person and not a beast. It is not required that the first thing actually be the second thing, in fact it is rather the whole point of metaphor that you illuminate something about the first thing by saying it is like the second thing even when it actually isnt. The whole point is the mismatch.


He made a statement that was inherently false.
No, since we are being pedantic, he made what I presume is a true statement. He said "I think..." and told us what he thinks.

On a slightly different tack, Obama is president of the United States of America. I presume it is his duty to choose a foreign policy which benefits the nation he represents. If his policy is not racist, then clearly he has failed in his duty.
 
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:biggrin1:while the GOP squirms, the policy Obama set forward earlier this year in Libya has brought success. goodbye moammar Qaddafi. hello stable oil industry in Libya.for now.
all the whining and moaning from a few liberals and all the Republicans has turned to hot air. Obama is much more adept at foreign policy than ANY of the GOP Tea Turds. and we can sleep better at night for it.
OK, Assad of Syria, youre next on the list , you bastard !!
What ? Obama is just a Zionist puppet ! we do not want americans to invade countries !
 

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What Obama bots don't get is that the rebels are led by Al Qaeda members and are now silencing dissent and murdering peopke.

Great foreign policy that is.
 

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What Obama bots don't get is that the rebels are led by Al Qaeda members and are now silencing dissent and murdering peopke.

Great foreign policy that is.
 

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What Obama bots don't get is that the rebels are led by Al Qaeda members and are now silencing dissent and murdering peopke.

Great foreign policy that is.

Where did you find this information? Are you taking Gadhafi's word for it or do you have another source?
 

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Ok. so scottish people are not a different race from english people or welsh people? So what would i call it if i discriminate against the welsh? racial discrimination or what? On balance I doubt there is very much at all to distinguish the races of the nations which make up the united kingdom.

I think there used to be - the Welsh tended to have big ear lobes & hobbit feet, the Irish very long bodies compared to their legs, with livers of an ox, the Scots, vampire pale freckly skin that tended to age quickly, with wiry physiques, & the English hmmm - well they didn't have any of the above & were taller! They certainly looked different to the French!

Before the dawn of modern transportation, few people got around a lot, so over millenia, even on an island, certain traits would become genetically distinct.

You may as well say that you can't be racist to any European. But what about if they are second generation French, & don't actually have any European blood, & you call them a Fucking Frog?

What is idiotic is that now people have so many "nationalities", racism becomes a pretty complex game. Do immigrants who say "fucking English twat" get the same treatment as indiginees who retort "fucking Turkish nob end"? Can an immigrant then say - well my passport says British - so I can say it, offend you, & still revel in my previous culture?

In practice, yes they can - thanks to the brainwashing of the PC brigade, but I believe that all name calling should be taken in context rather than as a gigantic generalisation, & that anyone who uses that double identity ploy, yet hides behind one, should be given a spank.
 

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His whole handling of the Princeton professor fiasco in the summer of 2009 and one of the photos of the white house meeting between the cop, professor and President Obama RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE of the President far ahead of the professor and cop with the cop helping the professor down the stairs.

"Far ahead"? As in, on the next step down?

First of all, Henry Louis Gates teaches at Harvard, not Princeton.

Second, he and Obama are close personal friends. There is no question of Obama being indifferent to the man's difficulties (in fact, Obama got in trouble by standing up for him too much, saying that the police had acted "stupidly" in arresting him).

The mere fact that some conservative zealots would pick up on this picture--an image of Obama letting Crowley be the one to help Gates down the stairs (you do see the significance of that gesture, don't you?)--and treat it as if it were a shot of him pushing Gates down those same stairs, stomping all over him, and stealing his wallet . . . is incontrovertible proof of one thing only: the insane lengths some people will go to in attacking Obama on the slightest fabricated pretext.
 

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Where did you find this information? Are you taking Gadhafi's word for it or do you have another source?

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph

So we support what becomes Al Qaeda, launch a worldwide war against them, now support them again. Makes sense.

Voltaire Network denounces attempt by the "rebels" to arrest Thierry Meyssan [Voltaire Network]

Silencing dissent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14674390

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Meanwhile, the bodies of at least a dozen pro-Gaddafi fighters - two of whom had their hands tied behind their backs - were found on a roundabout in the centre of Tripoli.
There were reports that one body had an intravenous drip in the arm, and that others were badly burned.
Amnesty International says it has "powerful testimonies" of abuses by both sides in the coastal town of Zawiya, including allegations of violence by rebels against African migrant workers accused of being mercenaries."


Gaddaffi is alleged to be doing it too, but the rebels are supposed to be better and appear to be exactly the same.
 
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"Far ahead"? As in, on the next step down?

First of all, Henry Louis Gates teaches at Harvard, not Princeton.

Second, he and Obama are close personal friends. There is no question of Obama being indifferent to the man's difficulties (in fact, Obama got in trouble by standing up for him too much, saying that the police had acted "stupidly" in arresting him).

The mere fact that some conservative zealots would pick up on this picture--an image of Obama letting Crowley be the one to help Gates down the stairs (you do see the significance of that gesture, don't you?)--and treat it as if it were a shot of him pushing Gates down those same stairs, stomping all over him, and stealing his wallet . . . is incontrovertible proof of one thing only: the insane lengths some people will go to in attacking Obama on the slightest fabricated pretext.


He was about five steps ahead of the two steps down, looking like he was walking as fast as possible to get away from the two men while the cop was helping the Harvard (sorry, forgot, do not hold ivies in high regard since they are higher the racist Duke professors away from the university to lead their departments) professor. I practically majored in PR in college (I had a PR incentive tacked on to my sports management degree and I ended up being persuaded to take the capstone in PR at my college, just basic courses that have little to do with PR not done) and can tell you, if I had seen that photo, I would tell whoever took it to delete it, cut it up and burn the negatives or delete the photo file as fast as humanly possible.

All I am saying from a PR standpoint, it was a HORRIBLE picture. And the fact that it was released by the white house is even more baffling. And the press conference (do not remember what it was about), any idiot with an ounce of knowledge of PR would have known that question on the whole cop and Harvard professor was coming TO THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF THE US. I would have told him that if he wants to speak of the evils of racial profiling, fine. But at the same time, reitirate in that specific case that not all details are in and it is not my place to comment. But to say the cop acted stupidly is a rush to judgement that I think a person who has worked in law would be above (however, not so much after seeing people at Duke handle the Duke lacrosse case).

I am not ripping on Obama. I am stating the opinion that Obama and the people around him have little to no common PR sense.
 
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