One nation gathering of thousands of liberals in DC !!!!
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I used to wish that the Tea Party would just go straight to hell, but I actually wish them all the best right now. I hope that they get big enough to get about 10-15% of the vote, because virtually every one of their votes will come from the Republican party base. The Tea Party is so heavily entreched in people's minds as being Republican in nature that some Republicans have started to go on TV and point out that they're two different groups. The Republican stance against Obama, trying to obstruct Democrat attempts to do anything, keeps them from making any sort of strides that would meaningfully differentiate themselves, and also holds us back as a country. I really hope they split the Republican vote and cause the Republicans to lose almost every single election in the midterms. Then we can watch the Republican Party go back to actually doing their fucking jobs, rather than playing politics at the expense of their constituents.
^ The flaw in your theory is that the 'Tea Party' candidates are almost all without exception running as Republicans against Democrats, not against other Republicans. They have the support of Republican party operatives, further proof of the cynical and destuctive "stop Obama and the Democrats at all costs" mindset of the party. At this point they are actually adding to the Republican voter base by pulling in disaffected so-called 'Libertarian' types. As the Republicans steer to the right to capitalize on the teapartiers, centrist and 'blue dog' Democrat candidates are pulled to the right too, trying to pick up moderate votes in the middle.
You can laugh at these loonies and their extremist views all day long, but the truth is, they have strong support, they are a serious force to be reckoned with, and they're pulling everybody to the right. Their supporters are mobilized and energized, and unless people, politicians and the mainstream media start standing up and calling them out on their bullshit, they will continue to dominate the spotlight and gain power. Rallying the liberal troops is one thing, and it makes us all feel good, but unless they actually get out and vote, and more importantly, apathetic disaffected moderate voters can be convinced to get off their asses and vote Democrat in the election, we're going to be in a heap of shit.
The election is exactly four weeks away, and it's all quite simply going to come down to voter turnout. The opposition is already organized and motivated, and they have a big head start. Time to get out the vote kids. That's what we need to do, and that's all we can do at this point. I'm sure you're all already working on it.
You can laugh at these loonies and their extremist views all day long, but the truth is, they have strong support, they are a serious force to be reckoned with, and they're pulling everybody to the right. Their supporters are mobilized and energized, and unless people, politicians and the mainstream media start standing up and calling them out on their bullshit, they will continue to dominate the spotlight and gain power. Rallying the liberal troops is one thing, and it makes us all feel good, but unless they actually get out and vote, and more importantly, apathetic disaffected moderate voters can be convinced to get off their asses and vote Democrat in the election, we're going to be in a heap of shit.
The election is exactly four weeks away, and it's all quite simply going to come down to voter turnout. The opposition is already organized and motivated, and they have a big head start. Time to get out the vote kids. That's what we need to do, and that's all we can do at this point. I'm sure you're all already working on it.
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Ehhh, not "many".
According to research done by Thomas J. Stanley for his book "The Millionaire Next Door", only 20% of millionaires inherited their money. The other 80% are what one might call nouveau riche - pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps and making this money. In fact, over half never even received $1 in inheritance.
And in an 1892 study on the same topic, it was pretty much the same story. Over four thousand millionaires were surveyed that year to see how they'd come about being so rich. The findings showed that 84% were first-generation rich while 16% had waited on daddy or grandpappy to pass away.
I see the steroids and Fox news during your bulk-up routine have served you well. Too bad the 'roids are shrinking your dome instead of your knob.
Look up "testosterone psychosis" in the dictionary and I might die of shock that you're capable of such an intellectual feat.
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LambHair McNeil: Many, in its shortest definition possible, means "numerous". It doesn't mean "majority" nor are the two words synonymous. So when you show me numbers that illustrate 1 out of 4 people inheriting their fortunes, that actually strengthens my argument. Also, statistics going back as far as 1982 to coincide with today's standards in regards to riches don't really help your case.
I particularly liked this phrase:
and doing their lessons by firelight.
No doubt after growing up in a log cabin, walking five miles to school uphill in the snow,
and doing their lessons by firelight.
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American politics is facinating. There isn't another system like it.
Even if the tea party get a significant number of people in, will it make a difference?
I dont think so.
Won't most of their supporters be dead in 8 years?...
If not, please elect an hispanic women as president. That should do it for them.
Even if the tea party get a significant number of people in, will it make a difference?
I dont think so.
Won't most of their supporters be dead in 8 years?...
If not, please elect an hispanic women as president. That should do it for them.
I pointed to two studies (over 100 years apart) whose findings owe no alliegances to a particular political party that showed the % of "inherited millionaires" went from 16% to 20%, the latter of which is 1 in 5, btw. Having read this author's book a few years ago, it'd seem that the "case" is the issue you have with the findings he published vs. your opinion.
I will grant that numbers can and do change over time and that the studies embrace that. If the two studies do represent an actual long-term trend, we may have to wait to the year 2100 to see if we get to 1 in 4. But we're far from being a society where 40-60-80% of the millionaires are those that made their fortunes by waiting on someone to die, which is the image many like to convey when discussing the subject...which the words Many of them didn't earn shit. They inherited it certainly sounds like an homage to.
^^ That should have been "1892".
"More than one hundred years ago the same was true. In The American Economy, Stanley Lebergott reviews a study conducted in 1892 of the 4,047 American millionaires. He reports that 84 percent "were nouveau riche, having reached the top without the benefit of inherited wealth."
^^Hence the dependents of 1892's "nouveau rich", and "old money" rich, would both be the heirs apparent to that wealth, thus your article actually endorses VB's point. :smile:
Only if you look at wealth and the system in which it's created as a virtually static model, a derivation perhaps of India's Caste System writ large to fit American society.
I think if someone did, it would wholly ignore the dynamism that has been America...a nation being built up, deconstructed, and then rebuilt many times over the years. People have gained/lost fortunes in industries & businesses that no longer hold sway over the land, and fortunes are now won and lost in fields & ways not even dreamt of 25 years ago.
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Perhaps that's because we didn't have the internet 25 years ago? It's almost safe to say that without the emerging of the internet as a viable money making tool, we would have very few (if not any) new major players in the millionaire/billionaire club.
Napster. eBay. Amazon. PayPal. Google. MySpace. Facebook. I could go on, but I think you catch my drift. :wink:
We just have to agree to disagree here. I imagine we'll always have a wealthy Vanderbilt or two running around America, but the studies show that millionaires+ of any era are much more than simply the next-gen members of the previous era's leading families.
I was alluding to the internet, but only as the latest in a long line of "new shiny thingies" (in no certain order) such as the printing press, the railroad, steel mills, cotton pickers, horseless carriages, motion pictures, television, piston-engine then jet-engine airplanes, the laser, and the microchip, and so on and so forth. The Internet is a tremendous invention, but it won't be the last that makes and breaks fortunes.
I gotta admit. This whole "virtually ignoring" someone thing around these parts is a mighty interesting, almost up-close-and-personal, concept.
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Yeah, it might be a mistake for you to assume I'm going to give you a free pass and ignore you completely. Whether or not I choose to engage you on your "facts", "statistics", and inane arguments is another matter.I gotta admit. This whole "virtually ignoring" someone thing around these parts is a mighty interesting, almost up-close-and-personal, concept.
BTW, when you quoted me, I think something was lost in translation. Here's what I said:
I'm a huge fan of Lewis Carroll, btw. Would you describe yourself as a slithy tove, a Jubjub bird, or a frumious bandersnatch?
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Election Season Heats Up, Dems Face Grim Prospects
'...As the campaign kicks into overdrive for the two month post-Labor Day sprint towards election day, the biggest question of this political season appears to be: 'How big the GOP victory and is there anything Democrats can do to contain it?' Democrats understand that they are in trouble; they simply hope that it is not as bad as advertised. They are hoping that the string of bad news they received in August can be partially offset by a strong campaign in the fall, when more people begin paying attention to politics.
... But many experts believe that there is little that the president can do at this point to salvage the situation. "The numbers are eye-catching. Republicans are dramatically gaining in all categories," University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato told McClatchy Newspapers. "It's generated by a rotten economy and a strong conservative reaction against President Obama." ..."
Democrats Face Grim Prospects In Midterm Elections, Public Angry About Economy - cbs11tv.com
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'...As the campaign kicks into overdrive for the two month post-Labor Day sprint towards election day, the biggest question of this political season appears to be: 'How big the GOP victory and is there anything Democrats can do to contain it?' Democrats understand that they are in trouble; they simply hope that it is not as bad as advertised. They are hoping that the string of bad news they received in August can be partially offset by a strong campaign in the fall, when more people begin paying attention to politics.
... But many experts believe that there is little that the president can do at this point to salvage the situation. "The numbers are eye-catching. Republicans are dramatically gaining in all categories," University of Virginia political science professor Larry Sabato told McClatchy Newspapers. "It's generated by a rotten economy and a strong conservative reaction against President Obama." ..."
Democrats Face Grim Prospects In Midterm Elections, Public Angry About Economy - cbs11tv.com
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I am not studied in the aspects of liberal versus conservative, however, I am studied in the forward progress of the United States even to the point that one state or several states might have to take one step back for the country to take two steps forward. What is our level of civility to one another? How much do we understand that we are one and not separate states in terms of self survival? Look around at the financial mess that we must confront. It is not isolated to Wall Street and DC, but is in our community as well. This begs the question...Why? There is a degree of greed and avarice that appears to drive policy. Let us contemplate on this briefly. Socrates might ask this...To whom does this greed and avarice serve? Does it serve the Country or does it serve only limited individuals? It is my belief that we must begin to think not of ourselves but of All. In doing so we also protect our future and that of our children.
Exactly what does it take to get the politicians - all of the them at all levels - to serve the public and not the party and themselves.
Suggested Priority Ranking
1. Country
2. Citizens - please note all U.S. citizens in all states
3. Ethics - no rationalizations please
4. Morals - unknown in DC but very important
Please note that Party is not listed as it is perceived as divisive and corrupt.
Exactly what does it take to get the politicians - all of the them at all levels - to serve the public and not the party and themselves.
Suggested Priority Ranking
1. Country
2. Citizens - please note all U.S. citizens in all states
3. Ethics - no rationalizations please
4. Morals - unknown in DC but very important
Please note that Party is not listed as it is perceived as divisive and corrupt.