One Step Closer to the Abominable Snowman!

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    A sample of hair from a Yeti (aka Abominable Snowman) has been sent to labs for DNA analysis. Preliminary examination concluded the hair belongs to no known species of primate or bear.

     
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    All rumours that I have recently been in Meghalaya are false.
     
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    From my reading, even if confirmed as you indicate, it will take a generation plus a few years for acceptance in casual science circles. Even if the fifties, Einstein was still considered "far out".

    There isn't much DNA to be had in hair anyway. If it were roots and scalp fragments, I'd be more inclined to say it would be more conclusive.

    Hair samples from big foot in the west coast regions are inconclusive for that reason. You can find the pattern on strands of hair, and identify it as to class and sometime specific species, but lacking DNA, it doesn't prove much.
     
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    Hair sampling though has made great strides. Hair collected in 2001 in Bhutan was submitted for DNA testing and it was concluded the hair came from an unknown animal:

     
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    That'd be pretty sweet. It's obvious to me that at some point in recent (last 500 years) history, a large unknown man/ape like creature has existed. They have been spotted all over the world, BEFORE the communications revolution. If people in America, Nepal, China, India, Mexico, Russia, and tons of other countries have all reported this BEFORE mass communication existed(which they did), personally I consider it more than just a rumor. Even if someone produced a body though, there'd still be TONS of people claiming it to be a fake. The Giant Squid was thought to me a myth too...
     
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    We may know sooner than we think. Two peace officers in Georgia claim to have shot and killed a Bigfoot. If their claim is a hoax, at least one of them could be fired. They claim they will reveal the body to media on September 1. They first claimed to have shown the body to a forensics expert but then admitted it was only the brother of one of the men who appears to have no scientific credentials. Given their adolescent videos, I'm not holding my breath but then stranger things have happened.
     
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    I've always wondered and been skeptical of this sort of thing... however, I think of all the species that are still being discovered, both on land and in the sea - prehistoric fish that were thought to be extinct long ago, as well as the giant squid, which lucky8 mentioned and whatnot. There's also still a significant amount of land that hasn't really been explored and studied yet, which would could conceivably yield the discovery of something - an unknown species of ape perhaps? entirely possible, sure.
     
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    The best evidence yet has come from Monster Quest, a TV show that investigates cryptids. They collected evidence from a fishing cabin in remote northern Ontario that was apparently destroyed by an animal of some sort in 2005. An expert in bear behavior, biologist Lynn Rogers, was brought in and she did not believe a bear was responsible as the attack occurred when bears in the region would be hibernating. The kicker was a plank with a nail protruding from it. Whatever it was, stepped on the nail leaving blood, tissue, and hair behind. Two biologists collected the plank and tested the samples.

    The hair, blood, and tissue were deteriorated, however Dr. Curt Nelson, a biologist from the University of Minnesota, was able to examine DNA from the samples. He claims that the DNA is idenitcal to human DNA save for:

    Dr. Nelson's findings were not shared by two other biologists who said that a chemical fixative applied to the screw during manufacture altered the DNA to such a degree that they could not extract any usable DNA for testing. Dr. Nelson claims he was able to remove the fixative from the samples to make his findings. As a result, Dr. Nelson's results remain controversial. The producer of Monster Quest has stated that he stands by the samples and that new scientific evidence from another alleged bigfoot event will be introduced in the forthcoming season of the show.
     
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    OMG! Split hair ends!! Poor creatures!

    as they didn't have enough being chased after only to prove they exist!
     
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    A writer named Thom Powell in bis book titled THE LOCALS gave many examples of Bigfoot in the Southwest, including odd details not previously suspected--people had their outdoor freezers raided and deer meat was stolen. Interesting detail. A previous assumption people had was the primates were vegetarian. Kind of difficult to find good ripe beggies of a required nature in the snow. Deep sounds about right.
     
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    This is a very interesting topic. Thats amazing.
     
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    I would not be surprised if we found hard evidence of a yeti-like creature. We discover new species all the time, and contrary to ZOS's comment, all it takes is some hard evidence and a new species is accepted and recorded.

    A few hairs might not be enough, however, so science is right to reserve judgement until there is good evidence.

    People might think that scientists scoff at things like this, but this is not the case. If you asked any biologist if they thing there are lots of undiscovered species, they would immediately say "of course there are".

    Then, if you captured a yeti or found a dead one, it would go through a period of review and analysis, followed by some articles in some journals and the existence of yetis would become official in just a few months. This happens all the time to all kinds of species, including those that were thought to be extinct.

    It is important to not confuse the idea that science works on facts, not innuendo or rumor. That scientists do not yet accept the existence of yetis is no different than scientists not accepting the existence of alien beings. Science is completely open to such things, providing there is some good evidence. In the meantime, it is the job of scientist to reserve judgement until that time.

    The problem with most of the "mystery hair" reports is that people are operating through what is called "false dichotomy". They found hair that cannot be identified. Since it was a yeti hunter who found it, his claim is that it must be yeti hair. The false dichotomy is that the hair either belongs to a known species or it belongs to a yeti. Naturally, you can see the fallacy in that argument. There might be thousands of unknown species to which that hair could belong to.

    Until someone finds a yeti, then healthy skepticism is the appropriate response, where by that I mean that yetis remain mythical until we actually find one.

    Finally, I would like to say that I am rooting for the yeti. I think it would be amazing if we found one.
     
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    The hair sample they found was from tiggerpoo. We went running naked through the trees, and he got caught on a branch.
     
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    Every so often, someone will be fishing offshore and catch something they thought was extinct. Who knows what lurks out there?
     
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    To get back on track here....

    Bigfoot is not just a North American phenomenon. In the Himalayas, it is called the Yeti; in China, it is the Yeren; in Malaysia, it is the Orang-Pendak; in Indonesia, the Orang-Kubu; in central America it is the Sisimite; in Australia it is the Yowie. There are very many others from all over Austral-Asia and North America.

    What is remarkable about these is their age. Stories of these hairy, bipedal hominids have existed since time immemorial. They appear in myths and stories from all over the world, but as time progressed, they faded in some areas but continued to flourish in others and consistently so. There are also intriguing similarities.

    The creatures reported in the islands of southeast Asia are universally smaller than those reported on the mainland, perhaps a case of island dwarfism; a phenomenon where continental animals immigrate to islands and then over time evolve to be smaller than their mainland cousins.

    Another common trait is that these creatures appear to be primates. This may not sound important, but when it's considered just all the things a monster could be if this was something purely imaginary, the consistency of appearance throughout so many wildly diverse cultures, including cultures (such as North American Indians) who had never encountered great apes or even primates, is remarkable.

    I think that they appear to be primates may explain why they have proven so elusive, if they do exist. We may well be pursuing a creature likely closer to human intelligence than any other animal in existance; one that appears to make an effort to avoid humans when at all possible. Humans aren't used to hunting something like that -- except other humans. And that's not how we're looking for bigfoot. We wonder where the bodies are. I suggest that the bodies may well be buried. Human burial is one of the oldest practices we have, likely coinciding from when we developed tools. Homo sapiens didn't invent tools, nor burial. Neanderthal and Homo erectus buried their dead as we do and they aren't even what we would consider the same species as we are.

    To my mind, the evidence is so uniform for so long from such diverse cultures all over the world, that I can't dismiss it all. We have unusual DNA, unclassifiable hair, plaster casts that show dermal ridges, more casts so sophisticated that a hoaxer would need an advanced degree in physiology to duplicate them, droppings, photographs, visual observations from people all over the world for hundreds of years, and recordings of animal sounds that are unknown to zoologists. Skeptics ask, why haven't any of these been found? In truth, some have. The mountain gorilla was thought to be just as wild and impossibly mythical when stories about it first arrived to European scientists. They had heard tell of this creature for hundreds of years but it wasn't until 1902 that the first one was documented. The situation is much the same with the orangutan and the bonobo. While none of these are truly bipedal, they do have the ability to walk upright for extended periods.

    Part of me would love an answer to these questions if only to get these creatures protected. Another part of me loves the mystery of not knowing what might lurk out in my back yard. In the end, I think it's the process of inquiry I find the most amazing because it tells me so much about human behavior. There are definite hoaxers out there, some people believing wholeheartedly without any evidence, scientists who outright dismiss even the possibility of the existance of hairy hominids, others who actively search for them. Perhaps we are all delusional and the hairy hominid is an archetype of the collective unconscious. If it is, what does it represent for humanity? Fear of our primal selves as we know, with complete scientific certainty, we once were? Or is it a desire to believe that our primitive selves still exist even if outside of ourselves in some idyllic Barbizon?
     
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    It's partially decomposed, so it just could be a known species that isn't easily identified.

    Several badly decomposed of whales and large basking sharks have been washed ashore, looking completely different and ID as "sea serpents".

    The mystery creature may be ID in a few days.

    (Later: the link provided on the thread has people suggesting it is a species of cat. The death bloat and fur loss makes quick ID a problem.)
     
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