Opinions on the War on Terror

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  1. King_ding_a_ling

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    I am opening this thread so that people may vent their opinions on this very touchy subject.


    Mine are this:

    We need to finish it out as hard and fast as possible now or it will turn into a bigger mess then it already is. Pulling troops out will doom us to leaving a volitile area in a dangerous situation ultimatly leading to a guerrilla war being brought to the soil of other countries.

    That said, we should have the conviction to do what is neccessary and worry about the fallout later.


    Happy Ranting everone!:biggrin1:
     
  2. D_Fiona_Farvel

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    No ranting.

    My opinion -
    My view is that it is impossible to wage a "war on terror". Certainly not one that is based upon aggression, as the concept is too nebulous to begin, but it also estranges, rather than wins the "hearts and minds of the enemy."

    But, good luck with the notion of "finish[ing] it out", whatever that means.
     
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    i would suggest working with nations and letting them flush out their own terrorists. Countries cant go around invading nations, punishing innocent people over small groups of people.
     
  4. MercyfulFate

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    The war on terror is a joke much like the war on drugs.
     
  5. rob_just_rob

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    It's either a convenient distraction, or a means to an end which I have yet to specifically discern.
     
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    What LadyShade & MercifulFate said.
    The "War on Terror" is just lip service for politicians to look like you're doing something much bigger than it really is. Just like the "War on Drugs", there's no way one person, authority or country can eliminate all of it. The only thing we can do is look out for ourselves and try to prevent a good amount of it from affecting us on our doorsteps.
     
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    I say we stop the war on terror, and declare a war on air bombing strikes, or perhaps a global war on the left flank. Maybe a war on the concealed ambush would finally bring peace on Earth. I mean of all the tactics, terrorism is one of the least used, and declaring a war on a war tactic is pretty silly.
     
  8. Phil Ayesho

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    A functional definition of insanity is to keep trying something that has already been shown to be ineffective.

    Your logic is that, if only we could kill ENOUGH people, then people killing would end.

    Try studying game theory. We already KNOW the most effective strategy... its the Strategy we used in China...
    The day after 9/11 we had the sympathy of the whole world, including Iran.

    The path Bush chose in response made US look like the bad guys.

    And that was precisely what Bin Laden WANTED us to do.



    Here is how you defat the enemy... you DENY them their OBJECTIVE.

    The objectives of Terrorism are to gain publicity, affect national policy, and PROMPT OVERWHELMING RETALIATION. ( to make the victim look like the aggressor )

    The only way to win against terrorism is to deny them them those objectives.

    You sure as hell do not make a few thousand religious wackos the sole focus of the most powerful nation on earth...

    You treat them like what they are... A minor annoyance.
    And your efforts at eradication should be entirely unpublicized.
     
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    That's adorable. You think we can win a "war" on a concept/ideology with violence.

    I'd recommend reading some Chomsky.
     
  10. HazelGod

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    Exactly as I would have said.
     
  11. King_ding_a_ling

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    Honestly I don't think anyone wins a war. One side just survives the other.

    You are looking at it as if I want to preserve the other country involved, I am just saying the countries involved need to end it, as horrible as it sounds.

    On the winning the hearts of them. You are talking about people who have almost nothing and have a hard time feeding thier families, then an orginization comes allong and tells them "if you go and blow yourself up we will provide for your family" or "If you work again the governments then we will make sure you are paid for your efforts"

    To think that you are going to win a war again a group of people who are considered a(n) "concept/ideology " is foolish. The best anyone can hope for is scare the shit out of that area and hope they don't follow when countries leave.


    Referencing the being there for other reasons. Of course the counties fighting are there for other reasons, Oil and cheap labor are rampant there. As well as very wealthy shieks and kings, ect.
     
  12. justasimpleguy

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    It's funny that the War on Drugs came up so fast. I'm not sure most people are aware of the ties between the two. Drugs now fuel alot of the terrorism in the Middle East and South America. Mexico is being torn to pieces by drug violence, driving Mexicans to seek jobs and relative safety in the US.
    End Prohibition of most drugs. Regulate and tax them instead. No more huge profits for terrorists to spend killing Americans.
     
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    No, let the market decide the price. If you tax and regulate them too much then there's no benefit because black market drugs will be cheaper.

    I'd love to grow opium poppies on the farm. They're so pretty when they bloom. My grandmother had a few in her flower bed and they're just such an amazing shade of red that it's hard to believe they're real. I've yet to see a photograph that captures their vivid sheen.
     
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    I'm curious as to which drugs you think should continue to be prohibited. Why continue failed policies at all?
     
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    Apparently you aren't either. :rolleyes:

    The only tie is that they're both "wars" declared against an ideology as the enemy. You'd think this nation would have learned a lesson from the Roaring '20s, but no...apparently not. The War on Terror™ is no more reasonable nor winnable than the War on Drugs™ has proven to be.
     
  16. Principessa

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    You took the words right out of my mouth.

    A distraction from what? Wall Street, double digit nationwide unemployment, foreclosures, bankruptcies, and homelessness at all time highs? Sorry but in my neck of the woods those things are kinda hard to miss. I haven't forgotten that there is a war on, but sometimes my attention is on things like providing for my family.
     
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    According to OBL, circa 1996, the fact that infidel U.S. troops were stationed in sacred Saudi Arabia infuriated him. Thus his Al-queda group of radicals began terrorist attacks and called for the US troops to leave Saudi Arabia.115

    The terrorists of 9/11 were not driven by poverty. 15 of the 19 were well-to-do Saudi citizens. The 9/11 attackers did not hail from Afghanistan, nor Iraq. Neither of these countries need have been attacked by the U.S. military.
    What should have been done, and has proved effective , is the infiltration of terrorist networks by police and intellegence agencies to halt their operations:

    http://www.lpsg.org/33691-war-on-terrorism-chasing-ghosts.html

    Instead U.S. foreign policy has given Muslims ("radical" or otherwise) of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Iran reason to hate the U.S.A. ...considering the unjust violence, death and destruction it visited on the former 3 countries and threats to bomb and attack the latter one. Reason enough to fan the flames of hatred against the U.S. in those regions and cause increased numbers of enemies and retaliatory attacks there.

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    I'm sorry, your views on this war are quite uninformed. Our continued wars and occupations in the middle east and Afghanistan are serving to increase terrorism. What better recruitment tool is to be had, than pointing at our atrocities. If we make ourselves even more brutal, we become that much more effective at increasing terrorism.

    Iraq and Afghanistan have made us *less* safe, not more so. More violence is not the answer.
     
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    I'm going to refrain from commenting on this thread... it's like bringing a Scores chic to a wet t-shirt contest.
     
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    seems most people agree the 'war on terrorism' was simply foolish. As to trying to pacify Afghanistan, no one has managed it in 100 years of military intervention. How come someone reckons they will manage it this time? No one but no one likes an invader however nicely he behaves, and we arent even behaving particularly well.

    Thats not to say terrorists shouldnt be opposed, but going after the actual people rather than involving a new lot makes much more sense.
     
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