Opposing Obamacare = racism?

[B_VinylBoy]

BTW, how are his poll numbers looking again!!! LALALA HAHAHA

When they get as low as Bush's then we can talk.
And yes, we'll keep on kicking the dead horse as long as the opposition keeps on taking the irrelevant cheap shots.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

]'Health care is a decision between doctor and patient'.[/FONT] :18: That is exactly right in socialist Canada, the UK or Japan. But oh my GOD is that the most ill-informed thing ever said if you are referring to the United States.
That statement is only true for the filthy rich, every one else has to worry about WHO is going to pay for it. Every hospital has a cashier and most sit IN FRONT of the doctors that are there to help you.


I am by no means filthy rich, but have good health insurance. I have never been stopped by a doctor's office "cashier" asking about payment. The few times I have been in the hospital, I check in with the receptionist, my insurance info is on file, and on the rare occasion there is a copay, I get a bill in the mail about a month later.


So it is a complete LIE to say health care is a decision between doctor and patient. In fact EVERY medical office in the US wants to know you intend to pay BEFORE you even sniff the examination room.

Let's clarify. If a doctor is not getting paid (either directly or by insurance) he (or she) isn't your doctor. I'm sorry, but you don't even get to the stage of healthcare decisions without being able to compensate your doctor in some way. No professional can survive by providing services for free. They are running a business. Doctors can choose to only take patients that can pay for their services, believe it or not! Just like a car repair man, a dentist, a tailor, a dry cleaner, even, GASP private schools. So, there is no crime in that. Remember, if doctors never got paid, we would have no doctors.

It's too bad all those 'libs' in Canada, UK and Japan all live longer and laugh at you and your ignorance.[/FONT]


]And that is it isn't it? Blithefully unconcerned about the millions who have no insurance or very little. What of them?[/FONT]

I'm sorry, but there is no free lunch. If you are so socially active in caring about all of these millions of people, why don't you go to medical school and set up a free clinic in the middle of Detroit or in Calcutta? It's very easy to scream "free healthcare for everyone" when you know you aren't going to be paying for it out of your pocket.

 

[deleted15807]

I'm sorryzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Arguments just go completely over your head don't they? Zoom zoom zoom right over it. :chairshot: Perpetual ignorant bliss. You better get back to community college quickly.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Arguments just go completely over your head don't they? Zoom zoom zoom right over it. :chairshot: Perpetual ignorant bliss. You better get back to community college quickly.

Good reply to my points.

Thank you for your rigorous response. I think attacking your opponent is a very tried and true method of liberals, so I shouldn't be surprised.

Have a great day!

 

[deleted15807]

Thank you for your rigorous response

You've simply been flat out wrong on so many things is there a point?

• China is not a developed country
• Venezuela is not a developed country
• The 'public option' is not socialism. The government will not own or have a stake in anything.
  
• You are not getting the 'best' treatment with your 2K MRI. Look at what the Japanese pay for their MRI's and they live longer.
  
• Health care is not a decision between doctor and patient. Insurers are de facto partners in ANY health care decision unless you can pay for it yourself.
  
• And finally 2+2 <> 5

:bye:

 

[HazelGod]

• And finally 2+2 != 5

Fixed that for ya. :wink:

 

[ZOS23xy]

When they get as low as Bush's then we can talk.
And yes, we'll keep on kicking the dead horse as long as the opposition keeps on taking the irrelevant cheap shots.

Well, where do these numbers come from?

 

[ZOS23xy]

You've simply been flat out wrong on so many things is there a point?

• China is not a developed country
• Venezuela is not a developed country
• The 'public option' is not socialism. The government will not own or have a stake in anything.
  
• You are not getting the 'best' treatment with your 2K MRI. Look at what the Japanese pay for their MRI's and they live longer.
  
• Health care is not a decision between doctor and patient. Insurers are de facto partners in ANY health care decision unless you can pay for it yourself.
  
• And finally 2+2 <> 5

:bye:

China is a semi developed country, much like the USA. There are parts of it cut off from the main track. My wife knew a patient in a health care hospital who detailed her county in South Carolina a decade or two back, where there was no TV or radio and people just went about their business. China has large outbacks like this. The USA just isn't a developed country, because of the whole disarray and large pockets of poverty and unknown people.

The Japanese were living longer before they had MRI....

Public opinion rarely knows what's good for them. The genral public in the 1950's thought racism was good and large segments of the population thought it was a good idea, and opposed its decline. Considering the large segment of gay men herein, you know that public opinion is against you. When you type something, don't you stop to think?

A starting arena for public health would be good. Bad and good ideas can be tested. Of course, currently, we don't know what ideas are bad or good.

 

[deleted15807]

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Fixed that for ya. :wink:

Ya ya either will do..."~=", "!=", "/=", "=/=" , "<>" or "!="

China is a semi developed country, much like the USA.

As I said here. ...........

There is no single internationally-recognized definition of developed country, and the levels of development may vary widely within so-called developing countries, with some developing countries having high average standards of living.

Countries with more advanced economies than other developing nations, but which have not yet fully demonstrated the signs of a developed country, are grouped under the term newly industrialized countries.

The World Bank classifies China as a developing country.

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The Japanese were living longer before they had MRI....

This was a response to a comment that a $2K MRI in the US represented the best health care possible.

Public opinion rarely knows what's good for them.

Of course not. Support for the preemptive war with Iraq was what 90%?

 

[B_cigarbabe]

Don't EVEN start the bullshit.

Sure... it may not be an issue of race for SOME people. But you have to be very ignorant to ignore those who are making it just that. And while you sit here and try to make it seem as if this is some kind of "lib" fallacy, I'll tell that to the black woman who was kicked out of a Town Hall Meeting after someone came over and ripped her poster of Rosa Parks. Or to the official who had a swastika painted on their road sign. Or maybe, the person who e-mailed the picture of Obama dressed up as a Witch Doctor or characterized as an assassinated primate... nah, that was just "creative art", wasn't it? Or how about the one who drew the White House lawn with a field full of Watermelons? Perhaps this artist wanted to visualize what Michele Obama's Victory Garden could look like?

Or maybe you can hide behind the First Amendment when political pundits like Limbaugh and Beck say that our President is a racist and hates white people? I guess that was misinterpeted by everyone and it was supposed to be an emotional cry for everyone to come together and sing Kum Ba Yah at the next Tea Bagging Party, right? Or how about parents that have their own kids holding up signs outside of Town Hall Meetings saying that Obama is a monkey... just a cute drawing from Art class? Perhaps you can try to think about another bullshit cop-out while you're still having a scavenger hunt for Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate, listening to the remixes to "Barack The Magic Negro" on your iPod on indefinite repeat? Yeah... just TRY to act as if some people aren't making the issue surrounding Health Care about race.
*snip*
Even YOU can't be that fuckin' stupid.

Oh VinylBoy! You know that faceking can and will be "that stupid" to further push his repugnant rebublican ideals!
Thanks faceking and nick4444!
You guys always come through to prove your insipid parties propaganda's
lack of factual elements!:biggrin1:
But hey I won't tell anyone.hone::27:
C.B.:saevil:

 

[TurkeyWithaSunburn]

So the Netherlands isn't a DEVELOPED country? China isn't a DEVELOPED country? Every hear of Beijing? Venezuela isn't a DEVELOPED country? I hate to resort to name calling, but someone who thinks the Netherlands, China and Venezuela aren't developed countries is either being willfully deceitful or is JUST PLAIN STUPID

China isn't a developed country. You have about 300million city folk and 800million country folk, aka peasants. The peasants go to the cities to earn money cuz the get tired of living hand to mouth. Venezuela isn't considered a developed country either.

The developed world traditionally is NorthAmerica, Western Europe, Australia, NZ, Japan.

I'm sorry, but there is no free lunch. If you are so socially active in caring about all of these millions of people, why don't you go to medical school and set up a free clinic in the middle of Detroit or in Calcutta? It's very easy to scream "free healthcare for everyone" when you know you aren't going to be paying for it out of your pocket.

Actually you do pay out of pocket. If someone goes to the Emergency Room because they let a medical problem get out of control and doesn't pay the bill. Guess who pays? It's levelized among the other patients who can pay.

(This happened to someone I know, $300 for 3 minutes to say you're having a panic attack and not a heart attack. Couldn't pay the bill, guess who does?)

 

[trjnhrs9]

Newsweek has a good article on the five biggest myths about the healthcare plan that everyone should read. I'm no expert, but what it says sounded pretty reaonable to me, even though I think of Newsweek as a fairly liberal magazine overall. If anyone else has read this piece and can comment one way or another, I'd appreciate a another viewpoint. (Without the article in front of me, I have nothing to offer in the way of examples without misquoting something, so I won't try.)As far as being racist when agreeing or disagreeing with the president, I have better things to do with my energy than waste it on an opinion based on someone's race. I look, instead, at the facts and go from there. Nothing more. The media, both liberal and conservative, keep us excited, aggitated, and generally ill at ease because we let them. Ignore them and form your own opinions based on facts and facts alone. Personally, I listen to CNN, FOX, MSNBC, HDLN News- all of them and gather as much information as possible. And I'm currently reading the healthcare bill for myself. It's online. Go read it and decide what you think from it and it alone.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

When they get as low as Bush's then we can talk.

He may not be there just yet, but his decline is, so far, more precipitous than either Bush's or Carter's. At this rate, he will be lower than the both of them soon.


RealClearPolitics - Obama Drops Faster than Bush or Carter

 

[B_VinylBoy]

He may not be there just yet, but his decline is, so far, more precipitous than either Bush's or Carter's. At this rate, he will be lower than the both of them soon.


RealClearPolitics - Obama Drops Faster than Bush or Carter

I don't play or pander into "crystal ball" politics.
Let's have something happen first. Then we'll talk.

 

[faceking]

Opposing Obamacare is not racism, it is stupidity.

Negative.

 

[faceking]

He may not be there just yet, but his decline is, so far, more precipitous than either Bush's or Carter's. At this rate, he will be lower than the both of them soon.


RealClearPolitics - Obama Drops Faster than Bush or Carter

I think we'll see what we had with Bush's first term (until his liberal policies took hold in the second term)... is that a good percentage wants him out yesterday, and a good percentage (nee 99% of LPSGers) will support him NO MATTER WHAT. What he's doing is alienating the independents. I always thought worse case... he'd be like Carter... I never imagined him this awful. The czars, the smug attitude, the teleprompter Kennedy-like speeches, socialism, in bed with communist Americans... guess there was some truth to the rumour of him being the most left senator, which I mistakenly cast off as politics/marketing (guess it was true).

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Opposing Obamacare is not racism, it is stupidity.

Let's take it one step further...
Not only is it about stupidity, it's about GREED.

Whether you have it and don't think anyone else deserves it because they don't work as hard or aren't as "entitled" to it, or if you think that the private health sector, which has always been the problem, is somehow going to go bankrupt if Government gets involved. Alas, many Health Care opponents can't be honest with themselves and get stuck on the talking points. But try telling them that and see what happens.

 

[Puntie]

Its like a page outta the Israeli book. Oppose Israel and the genocide that they are inflicting on the Palestian people and you are anti-semitic, oppose Obamamania and you are racist! Ha

I love this world that we live in!