Oral sex, who gives the best? girl/guy

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Javierdude22: No no no no....wait wait wait...

Im sorry dude, of course no one can tell you how you really are. Thats very true.

But if you make statement or any comment, anyone can express their opinion and feeling about it. You say you were turned gay...you have to admit that it defies any sexual identity research ever performed. The latest study showed that sexual identity is something your born with. But this isnt the point. You made a comment, people respond. Dont make the comment if you cant deal with an opnion on it.

It just strikes m as very weird thats all, especially since im struggling myself. If I was 100% straight I would have made sure your shrink would be eating through a straw th first 6 weeks after hospital, if he were kissing me. Come to think of it, I would have done that anyway, cause what kinda quack kisses their patients, I woulda sewed him so much hed have to live off of foodstamps.

It just all sounds weird, and I respond cause I deal with this issue. If you were 100% straight than that kiss shouldve made you sick.

 

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Javierdude22: wow sorry, i clicked post, but it didnt show. Twice.

;D

 

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Javierdude22: So yeah...

uhm...

 

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tigerwolf: [quote author=Javierdude23 link=board=sex;num=1054065835;start=40#40 date=10/23/03 at 04:07:39]No no no no....wait wait wait...

Im sorry dude, of course no one can tell you how you really are. Thats very true.

But if you make  statement or any comment, anyone can express their opinion and feeling about it. You say you were turned gay...you have to admit that it defies any sexual identity research ever performed. The latest study showed that sexual identity is something your born with. But this isnt the point. You made a comment, people respond. Dont make the comment if you cant deal with an opnion on it.

It just strikes m as very weird thats all, especially since im struggling myself. If I was 100% straight I would have made sure your shrink would be eating through a straw th first 6 weeks after hospital, if he were kissing me. Come to think of it, I would have done that anyway, cause what kinda quack kisses their patients, I woulda sewed him so much hed have to live off of foodstamps.

It just all sounds weird, and I respond cause I deal with this issue. If you were 100% straight than that kiss shouldve made you sick. [/quote]


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Again, its not really any of anyone's business. I'm not one of those fools who believes that being gay is a genetic thing. Quite frankly, its a choice. I made that choice after being traumatized by my ex fiance and a few other reasons. The thought of doing anything gay made me sick to my stomach any time someone suggested it. Doing it, however, was another thing, and when he did it, it caught me by surprise. Simple as that. I ended up liking it despite what I thought, and it went from there.

I stand by my statement, both in that it was a choice I made turning straight to gay, and that its none of anyone else's business.

 

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tigerwolf: And its not a matter of not being able to handle an opinion on it. Its a matter of this old troll going around trying to start an argument with me because he thinks that he's right and I'm not when I'm the damned one that was being discussed. Plain and simple.

 

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Javierdude22: Nah, hés a very cool dude. But like myself, I think he gets worked up over how you claim it was a choice to you.

If it were indeed a choice, than that would solve all my problems, as I dont want these feelings towards guys.

I choose to be straight

§ POOF!! §

Nothing happened. You have to realize tigerwolf, that you are part of 1% who feels they can choose their sexuality. The other 99% had it predespositioned for them. And of those 99%, a large part will not be happy with it.

 

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tigerwolf: Well, he's not demonstrating that he's a 'cool dude'. Instead he's demonstrating that he desires to start an argument about something that he knows nothing about. Plain and simple.

 

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blo1988: Ok....this really is the deep end of the pool, but I'm game.
Tiger, it is quite possible that you identified totally as straight and that submerged feelings emerged suddenly. In fact, that is precisely the concept of the unconcious. The Freudian concept of defenses is that they protect one's ego construct from untolerable thoughts.
So, it is possible that your awareness evolved quickly as a consequence of your particular circumstances. One possible interpretation of your circumstances is that you became involved with a woman who gained a hundred pounds because of unrealized conflict regarding your heterosexuality and you sought interaction with your friend because of your subconcious awareness of his attraction to you. His kiss facilitated your transition. I am sure that this greatly oversimplifies things. But the point is that you can legitimtely feel that you "turned" gay suddenly.
If all of these things had happened with your concious awareness of the dynamic, then you might have found them impossible to tolerate.
I trained in the DC area and encountered young men admitted to the Mental Health wards as a result of the consequences of unwanted sexual awareness. A typical example was an overtly masculine Marine who engaged in his first homosexual experience and then hurt his partner and/or himself. The psychological interpretation of that dynamic is that a young man's submerged homsexual interest finally emerged.
So, everyone evolves differently. Some dramatically, some slowly, some self destructively. The difficulty that some may have with your evolution is that it is atypical. However, I could argue that your defenses were solid enough that you simply weren't aware of your homosexual interests until you were ready to incorporate them into your life. Most of us go through a longer and more conflicted evolution. Jav alluded to this.
One last thing. I don't believe that the latest research indicates that sexual preference is definitively cast genetically. Cases at each end of the Kinsey scale are likely determined genetically and endocrinologically. However, there are a great many folks who may have a very mixed genetic and endocrinologic bag....the behavior of these folks will likely be influenced by environmental factors.
Sorry for the long post. Peace. w

 

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tigerwolf: I appreciate your more mature feedback than other people have given, however I still stand by what I claimed. I was heterosexual, and I used to enjoy it. *shrug* Simple as that. There is no need to further explain it or justify it. I was straight. Plain and simple 100%. I chose, by my own free will to become gay, and I am happy with my choice. End of story. ^_^

 

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HUMONGOUS: without a doubt guys give the best head. females try and i have had some come close. guys seem to be very hungry from the moment they see my prodigious endowment and consider it an accomplishement to be able to try and come close to deep throating it, although none have ever gotten that far.
they slurp and actually pig ot on it. girls seem to be a bit more reserved when giving head. men just go for it . men even slurp on the nuts and will lick the asshole while they are down there. women have to be told what to do and then they are till somewhat laid back men are aggressive when it comes to giving head

 

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tigerwolf: [quote author=HUMONGOUS link=board=sex;num=1054065835;start=40#49 date=11/18/03 at 10:46:47]without a doubt guys give the best head. females try and i have had some come close. [/quote]
Maybe next time I'm in michigan, I should demonstrate just why guys give better head.

 

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HUMONGOUS: everyone is entitled to both their opinion and their perception of things. be respectful and mindful of that. this is a discussion group and everyone is going to have different ideas, opinions, and different outlooks on how they view their own situations. that is what makes this goup interesting. if we all thought the same way what would be the point. ;D 8) : :-[ :-X :-*

 

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HUMONGOUS: tigerwolf if you are ever in michigan and feel that you are up to the challenge of trying to deep throat all of this i welcome you ;D

 

[B_RoysToy]

If this does come to pass in Michigan and the opinion of a referee is needed, I want to volunteer for the job.

BTW, one important aspect of the b/j scene is when the male has the male, the one receiving has the benefit of looking at the second dick as it gets 'petted', whereas when the female has the male all she has to show is her gaping vagina. Could this help sway the belief that the male sucks better?

I wonder if, through a glory hole, there could be some female disguised as a male, who would be selected as giving the best blow job. Just a thought -- any opinions/ ideas from the group?

Luke

 

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tigerwolf: Uh. No thanks. We don't need a referee.

 

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HUMONGOUS: all of the monday morning quarterbacking psychologists are truly wasting their time on this board--perhaps they should go and hang up their shingle ;D ;D just a thought ;D :

 

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tigerwolf: I agree totally, babe.

 

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belcurv: [quote author=txqis link=board=sex;num=1054065835;start=0#8 date=05/28/03 at 11:36:20]Well,
i should add that i've ALSO gotten
terrible head from a guy
and terrible from a girl as well. it works both ways.
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Yup, amen brother to that.
Actually, for me, the best head was from a man but close runners up were two of the women (one is the one I married, the other could effortlessly deepthroat--amazing daily experience for two months when I was 21) and the worst head was from all the rest of the women and one of the men. The rest of the guys were at least okay. Women tend to treat the penis as a clitoris, with flicking and licking instead of SUCKing and pumping. But I think what someone said about younger women doing it better may have to do with the ubiquity of porn, they've probably seen it done the right way in videos where that was less accessible for young women/girls in the past.

Now I don't care about getting head, I would just like to find a male partner who would like to RECEIVE head, whose cock is big enough to turn me on psychologically and reach deep enough into my throat to turn me on physically. Maybe I should start another thread asking how many well endowed guys like to just lie back and receive, and enjoy the idea that their gift of phallic massiveness is so great they shouldn't have to do any of the work. Few seem to have entertained that notion. Having been on the receiving end of that, I now wish I could pass it along to another deserving endowee, to restore karmic balance to my life.

OOOOOOOOOOmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

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belcurv: Tigerwolf, stand up for your opinion. I believe some people are "born" "gay" or "straight" but that it is a rarity indeed, and that the current vogue party line about everyone being born one or the other is double-flawed.

First, the terms "gay" and "straight" are inventions of modernism. Pre-modern cultures show little evidence of this artificial insistence on pushing people into one extreme "identity" or the other.

Second, there is VERY precious little PROOF of it being "in-born." Like everything else in medicine and academia, like the postmodernist bullshit era we are not finally peeking out of, there are ideas that catch on and all the intellectual sheep follow blindly, feeling that they will be laughed at if they dissent. I'm finishing a master's degree right now, and the pressures to conform to existing diatribe are impossible to deviate from if you want a degree, tenure, publication opportunities, etc. In medicine, psychiatric, psychological or other, look at what was "known" 25 years ago, and how equally certain they were of it, and you'll see that it's all bullshit in the end, and will all fall away in another 25 years.

Are you all aware that the APA officially recognized homosexuality as a mental disease up until fairly recently in history? The "authorities" are too absolute in their misplaced self confidence (egomania is more like it--think of any doctor you know) to be trusted.

"GAY' and "STRAIGHT" are convenient, totally unnatural categories into which to force people in order to serve the interests of our existing political and economic structures. Keeping people confused and frustrated is basic to the success of capitalistic modernism. (And postmodernism, which is merely a subcategory of modernism, not truly something that comes "after" modernism.)

I was absolutely "straight" til I was 23, when my wife finally urged me to "give it a try" with a few of the many men who followed me around showing hard in the showers at  the college gym every day. This notion of SOME people being "latent homosexuals" and having it "emerge" later is bullshit. You mentioned Freud, who said "To begin with, we are ALL bisexual..." and that it is all a matter of conditioning that creates a stronger orientation toward homo or hetero.

Once I was liberated from these bonds, it became clear to me how arbitrary and fake they are. Almost anyone could be bisexual but they are terrified to do so because of conditioning and societal pressures. It is very impractical to try to find both a male and a female lover, so even bisexuals tend to be monogamous, especially in this deadly disease infested era.

But there are many examples in history and nature that support the observation that the widespread acceptance of the notions of homosexuality and heterosexuality are aberrations, not birthrights. Quick illustrations: ancient Greece and ancient Rome, where men were routinely married, had kids with their wives and had hot sex with other men... the Roman Senate eventually had to make laws requiring men to sleep with their wives more because the population was falling... and the benoble chimpanzees, our close genetic cousins, who fuck like bunnies and have sex constantly, both "hetero" and "homo"...

Buying the dogma that "homo" and "hetero" are normal conditions for humans, or that we are "born" either way, is just another case of people being sheep, led around by their noses by a few puffed up professors who find bullshitting the masses a profitable way to make a cushy living.

 

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[quote author=hotbodz8 link=board=sex;num=1054065835;start=0#4 date=05/27/03 at 21:41:04]Well, if what y'all are saying is true, that guys on average give better head than girls, I guess that means that my chances of experiencing truly awesome head in life are somewhat diminished because I'm straight!!

Oh well. I guess the ladies will have to take the Avis Rental Car Company approach: We maybe #2, but we try harder. ;D

Speaking of oral sex though. I don't know about the rest of you straight or bi guys experiences with women have been like, but I've found that my experiences with younger women (25 and under) in the "giving head" department have been better than those with women around my age (I'm 32). The younger women don't seem to have as many hangups about doing it as opposed to the older women. If my size and the girl's anatomical mouth structure are mismatched, the younger women almost automatically picked up the technique of sucking on the head and working the shaft with her hands. The older women seemed to give up more quickly and say "you're too big for me." Of course I don't force them to do it because that would ruin everything, but admittedly it is a little disapppointing.
I'm not saying this is true of all older women because there are probably older women out there that do an awesome job pleasing their partners.

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My experience has been the opposite. Women my age or older seem better at it, I guess from more experience. My partners that were at least a few years younger were usually enthusiastic, but not necessarily any good at it. Maybe a woman has to reach 25 before she realizes what "No teeth!" means.