Is something to do with the mood swing you get when you orgasm. Dunno if i'm the only one but after I orgasm my feelings will suddenly shift to the opposite side?
Orgasm or Depression- which would you choose?
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A lot of men feel slightly depressed after masturbation. Certainly not an expert but you get a sudden rush of chemicals described almost like heroin and then it is gone. That's why it is always best done with some person-to-person intimacy. Then, the depression doesn't hit until you walk out the door!
But seriously, if you "feel really, really bad" afterwards you probably need help sorting out your feelings (sadness, fear, anger, etc.) and what thoughts you are hanging on to that is causing them.
But you can put me on the list of those who think over-prescribing has become an addiction in itself. When the AMA lowered the numbers for hypertension several years back, I was automatically put on a bp med (after several tries of meds that made me so dizzy I could not get out of a chair!). Every single doctor said that "dizziness" was a side effect of them all. After 10 years of not being able to do simple exercising or even stretching without extreme dizziness, I finally found a doctor who used some common sense that 1 statistic is not necessarily going to be the same for every human being on earth. He took me off the BP med, said I had "White Coat Syndrome" and my bp went up in the office but is really not all that high there either and he told me to monitor a few times each week at home. Starting about a week off the med, I was exercising again completely dizzy free and my bp averages about 120/65. When I was on the bp med, I would go as low as 90/50. Well DUH!
BTW, about the only thing that makes me depressed is hearing that depression and suicidal thoughts are a side effect of damn near every med advertised on television except for the ED drugs that can dangerously lower your blood pressure and can't be taken with nitrates.
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I'd have him talk to his doctor about supplementing the SSRI with Wellbutrin, which is thought to work more on dopamine, another neurotransmitter which is believed to excite. I'm actually on this combo myself (generics for zoloft + wellbutrin) and the wellbutrin has indeed nearly eliminated the sexual dysfunction caused by the zoloft.
Ignoring the argument whether or not anti-depressants work, I think that if someone has depression they are usually trying every method to find help. Most competent doctors will say that you should be both seeing a talk therapist in addition to taking medications, since it is usually most effective to do both.
I have depression, and while I don't know whether medication has always helped me I know that it can have an effect on my orgasms. I would say that orgasms are a small price to pay to work at relieving something that can be life crippling...
I have depression, and while I don't know whether medication has always helped me I know that it can have an effect on my orgasms. I would say that orgasms are a small price to pay to work at relieving something that can be life crippling...
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Has he tried psychotherapy? Just talk therapy? Sometimes that's better than meds. If he has not had a history of depression and if the lack of sexual stimulation is creating a feedback loop (lack of orgasm stoking the fire of depression) then meds may not be a good idea.
For me, I've had A LOT of problems the last few years (don't feel that it's appropriate to go into it) but I've seen therapists to help gain insight and strength. At least what I've been taught is that meds are a good last resort.
I hope that your friend get the proper treatment he needs.
For me, I've had A LOT of problems the last few years (don't feel that it's appropriate to go into it) but I've seen therapists to help gain insight and strength. At least what I've been taught is that meds are a good last resort.
I hope that your friend get the proper treatment he needs.
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Dopamine doesn't "excite" per se. It's the neurotransmitter that emits a "good" feeling. For example, alcohol is a dopamine agonist (it binds to the protein subunit to release more dopamine). The more you drink, the more dopamine is released...thus alcoholics, for example love that feeling of "goodness" (for lack of a better term, typically a reward neurotransmitter). MAOIs for enable more dopamine to be transmitted (they block proteins from destroying dopamine). SSRIs, if I remember correctly, work with serotonin. Sometimes a neurotransmitter is does not go across the cleft to the next neuron. So it is sent back up to its original neuron. SSRIs prevent this re-uptake.
Sorry I'm a little nerdy with this subject.
I talked to my friend again- he said his doc would not do wellbutrin as it raises blood pressure (and he has a family history of high BP)...
he said he still stays horny (he was chubbing a bit as we talked in the sauna) and said jacking off has become his hobby....just to see if/when he can cum (I can't imagine 'never finishing)
he does have an appt with his doctor- I am curious to hear how this ends (comes out? lol sorry)
he said he still stays horny (he was chubbing a bit as we talked in the sauna) and said jacking off has become his hobby....just to see if/when he can cum (I can't imagine 'never finishing)
he does have an appt with his doctor- I am curious to hear how this ends (comes out? lol sorry)
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er um....ok. That was the explanation offered by a friend who's a psychotherapist, albeit not a psychiatrist or MD. In any case, I mostly just meant to share my own experience -- sorry if my comment above was inaccurate.
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No intention to put you down, at all...sorry if it came across that way.
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"genetic predisposition towards clinical depression"
Being on the inside of the healthcare industry, I know full well that many of the psychological disorders that are floated around by doctors are exaggerated or manufactured to justify the sale of drugs. Think about how these drugs are marketed - they play on fears, social anxieties, etc to compel you emotionally to rush to the doctors and beg for the Rx. My mother has a PhD in epidemiology (study of disease spread) and even she fell for this when I was diagnosed (wrongly, I believe) as manic depressive with genetic predisposition. In my treatment, not one of the "highly educated" psychiatrists or psychologists discussed with me behavioral treatments (such as finding things I was passionate aboute, stop smoking pot, weather patterns like lack of sun, playing sports, having more sex, etc). They all assumed medication right away, and given the drastic nature of some of the bipolar treatment drugs out there, their handling of the situation was downright irresponsible.
Many many illnesses, both mental and physical, are created first by our own minds. It is an absolute myth and a method of control over you if someone tells you that only by taking this blue pill (which prevents orgasm, or turns you into a zombie, or fucks up your liver, or any number of very nasty side effects) can you effectively combat the root causes of depression. Because it cannot. The pills fight the symptoms of depression, they do not address the cause. The cause of depression is our own mind. It sounds like your friend could not think of a mindset or mentality to help him overcome a spate of hardships, and he's trying to find an easy way out. Most would take that route. But that route comes with many costs that will get worse the longer he uses that crutch.
And sure, you can say "each case is different." But you know, if you use that argument as an excuse to take the easy way out, that's all it is. An excuse. To take the easy way out.
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What I'm talking about is limited to the class of mental disorders related to anxiety and depression - the mood/behavioral disorders, the ADD's, depression, etc. Psychotic disorders are a different beast - speaking in gibberish because your brain is literally rotting (a la Schizophrenia) is NOT what I was referring to in the above post.
Being on the inside of the healthcare industry, I know full well that many of the psychological disorders that are floated around by doctors are exaggerated or manufactured to justify the sale of drugs. Think about how these drugs are marketed - they play on fears, social anxieties, etc to compel you emotionally to rush to the doctors and beg for the Rx. My mother has a PhD in epidemiology (study of disease spread) and even she fell for this when I was diagnosed (wrongly, I believe) as manic depressive with genetic predisposition. In my treatment, not one of the "highly educated" psychiatrists or psychologists discussed with me behavioral treatments (such as finding things I was passionate aboute, stop smoking pot, weather patterns like lack of sun, playing sports, having more sex, etc). They all assumed medication right away, and given the drastic nature of some of the bipolar treatment drugs out there, their handling of the situation was downright irresponsible.
Many many illnesses, both mental and physical, are created first by our own minds. It is an absolute myth and a method of control over you if someone tells you that only by taking this blue pill (which prevents orgasm, or turns you into a zombie, or fucks up your liver, or any number of very nasty side effects) can you effectively combat the root causes of depression. Because it cannot. The pills fight the symptoms of depression, they do not address the cause. The cause of depression is our own mind. It sounds like your friend could not think of a mindset or mentality to help him overcome a spate of hardships, and he's trying to find an easy way out. Most would take that route. But that route comes with many costs that will get worse the longer he uses that crutch.
And sure, you can say "each case is different." But you know, if you use that argument as an excuse to take the easy way out, that's all it is. An excuse. To take the easy way out.
NB
What I'm talking about is limited to the class of mental disorders related to anxiety and depression - the mood/behavioral disorders, the ADD's, depression, etc. Psychotic disorders are a different beast - speaking in gibberish because your brain is literally rotting (a la Schizophrenia) is NOT what I was referring to in the above post.
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Well, I know I have taken meds for years now and have had a myriad of responses to the pills. I had one meds, forgot which one it was, but it kept me from orgasming/ejaculating. I managed to do it once during my taking it. And that was because my buddy was determined that I was going to cum regardless of the meds. That was a big lube night.
Anyway, I have no problems with the meds I'm taking right now. Only problem is that they let the hypersexual behavior thru, so I'm horned all the time.
Anyway, I have no problems with the meds I'm taking right now. Only problem is that they let the hypersexual behavior thru, so I'm horned all the time.
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Go to a urologist and see if he can prescribe something or talk to your psychologist about what can be done. I can't think of anything that might affect a guys depression more then knowning that the ability to become erect is gone.
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I just started on Celexa a month ago for depression and I'm amazed at the negative effects it's had on my libido, my ability to stay hard and to cum! There have to be some sexual supplements to offset these negative side-effects...any advice?
Unlike many, I am not a believer in over-use of anti-depressants. You try everything else first then the drug. Too many MD's hand this stuff out like candy and the effects are long lasting and sometimes when the problems that created the depression are gone the absence of the drug in and of itself creates the problem.
I had very bad luck with anti-depressants back in 2001 after some really tough times. The drugs were a total failure because I was able to recognize that the drugs only made me not care that I was depressed. I was fortunate, my MD found my free floating testosterone to be unusually low. I was placed on testosterone supplementation for 90 days and I can tell you after two months on anti-depressants I was shocked to find the depression had nearly subsided after three days on testosterone supplementation.
When depression is caused by stress erratic testosterone levels can be in the picture in some people. Serum Testosterone levels are worthless because they do not factor in the ability to use it. The only level to check with depression is Free Floating and if that is low the "T" should be fixed before the rest is even looked at.
I had very bad luck with anti-depressants back in 2001 after some really tough times. The drugs were a total failure because I was able to recognize that the drugs only made me not care that I was depressed. I was fortunate, my MD found my free floating testosterone to be unusually low. I was placed on testosterone supplementation for 90 days and I can tell you after two months on anti-depressants I was shocked to find the depression had nearly subsided after three days on testosterone supplementation.
When depression is caused by stress erratic testosterone levels can be in the picture in some people. Serum Testosterone levels are worthless because they do not factor in the ability to use it. The only level to check with depression is Free Floating and if that is low the "T" should be fixed before the rest is even looked at.
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I don't have depression, but I do have PTSD, which part of the treatment is being on an anti-depressant. The only one I've tried that hasn't cut my sex drive or left me unable to orgasm is Zoloft. I'm a girl, so I may react differently than a guy to this medicine, but it may be worth telling him. Also, whatever dosage they started him on may be the culprit. It may be that he's just on too high a dose of his current meds. If they're able to cut the dose for less side effects, for the same the same clinical effect on his depression, then that would be wonderful. You might want to mention that to him if no one suggested it already.
