Orwell Has Arrived: UK To Become Big Brother

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  1. jason_els

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    The moment has arrived!

    How on earth have things in the UK come to such a pass? This is wholly inexcusable in a free country. The rest of the article is just as shocking.
     
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    This should surprise nobody who's had their eyes on UK politics and social justice matters for the past 20 years.

    Perhaps it's time someone really did blow up Parliament...I think I'll go re-watch V for Vendetta.
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    It's been creeping up on us for a while, Jase.

    There are also plans for an EU-wide DNA database.
     
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    Does this happen in any other European country?

    I don't think so.

    I will be leaving the UK soon. It has few redeeming qualities left.

    PS - who will watch the watchers?
     
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    Other watchers obviously. but who watches those? more watchers, but who watches them?

    probably simon cowell
     
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    He hasn't got long to live. He is cursed since allowing Lucie to leave.
     
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    Not enough people take issues with things like this. I've had numerous conversations with people from England and across the UK who wholeheartedly defend the CCTV system alone. I can't understand it, it's wrong.

    It's been shown these things don't really do much to crime, and they set up a system that can be easily abused by a power hungry politician.

    This stuff is wrong and it disgusts me.
     
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    We have a few right here in these fora.
     
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    Not really surprised, seems like the majority support it. Despite the evidence saying it doesn't do much about crime. Plus, criminals will simply adapt to it and then the people being watched are the law abiding citizens.

    Surveillance stuff everywhere is getting out of control, and I think we need to restrict it greatly. It's one thing for a convenience store to have cameras, it's another to have them on every street corner in public. People will say "Well there's no expectation of privacy in public" but that doesn't make it right.

    Next people will allow more cameras in more places, and on and on. I operated a CCTV system for years for a corporation, and these things can be easily abused. People can easily take footage home, or use them in nefarious ways if oversight is weak.
     
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    Well said,I'm from the UK and peoples level of stupidity in this country on this topic is mind-blowing!!
     
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    And who will the British people vote for next General Election: the people Nurdoch tells us to vote for. If we are such a feeble nation then we deserved all this shit that is being heaped on to us. Police are now so politicized that they are more corrupt than US, yet who do we adulate (going by the media) police kicking shit out of the underclass, football club owners who have the ethics of an African dictator, BBC luvvies who kiss Cameron's and Brown's arse. Even Question Time is carefully orchestrated. What about all politcians, police employees, social workers, lawyers having their DNA kept on record? As they constantly tell us: if you have nothing to hide what's the problem. If we do not resist at every opportunity (you can do it calmly and politely - this really riles the fascists in New Labour) then our children will be slaves.
     
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    While I've always known that the UK has had issues with Big Brother-esque approaches, it seems they've truly taken it a step too far. This is an obvious breach of privacy and I would hope every Brit would be against it.
     
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    That right there is one of the lines of thought that makes me incredibly angry. It's such a dangerous mindset to have, and it seems like a lot of people have it.

    Too many people think this way and will abide by anything the police tell them. If you're ever arrested for something, the best thing to do regardless if you're guilty or not, is to not say a word. There was a seminar by a lawyer and police officer I watched on this, and they explained how seemingly innocent statements can screw you if the cop wants to twist it, or writes it down wrong.

    At least here in the states if you're pulled over, a lot of people consent to searches even with nothing to hide. I've never understood that, I would say no regardless as it's my right to do so. Let them bring out the dogs and waste their time.
     
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    While I agree that a measure like this is excessive, I still can't help but think that a lot of the wording for this law is double talk for stuff that already goes on in the world. I hope nobody actually believes that ISPs do not have a log of every single incoming and outgoing transaction made on their network servers... because they do and they always have. It just takes an extreme case for any of that info to be shared with anyone, not just authorities, due to most ISP's Terms of Services.

    However, what the UK is proposing is just beyond illogical. It borders on the line of paranoia.
     
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    Ahhh I fear that Anarchy will be right around the corner and will quickly spread to the states ! As Jefferson would suggest it is TIME to overthrow the Government :

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty !!!



    HH
     
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    In the UK we are sleep walking. We have a nation which is kept compliant by not being told the truth. We ignore massive debt, deteriorating public health, climate problems, falling educational standards. And yes we are gradually accepting the big brother state. Comrade Brown was the most prudent chancellor ever abolishing boom and bust; Comrade Blair saved us from all that work of having to vote on the Lisbon treaty; trust Comrade Brown to keep the benefit payments flowing. There's a story today about a council fining a woman for littering. Sounds fine until you realise that her crime was to allow her toddler to feed the ducks (caught on cctv).

    We have a chance next year to replace our control freak comrades with a conservative government. My view is that the qualities the conservatives would bring are almost irrelevant. Rather they are not Labour. If we are to escape the imposition of a big brother socialist utopia we have to get shot of the present shower.
     
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    Sorry to be direct, but I want to know why the OP has any concern. you're in the group liberal's and progressives according to your profile. Liberals and progressives want as big a governemnt as possible. Total dependence on the state, no self-reliance. If the OP is upset by this then he should really re-evaluate his political beliefs. This is what will follow pelosi-care and obama-nomics. The post above this one is right, the governemnt must fear the people, not vice-versa.
     
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    Big Irish isn't very smart, is he?
     
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    You are more misinformed than Rick going to take the waters in Casablanca. Being liberal or progressive has nothing to do with government size but with policy. Nor does it mean, "total dependence on the state, no self-reliance." You are defining terms based upon what some right-wing pundits have decided to define them as, not what they truly mean. Cases in point:

    liberal |&#712;lib(&#601;)r&#601;l|
    adjective
    1 open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values : they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people.
    2 favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms : liberal citizenship laws.

    progressive |pr&#601;&#712;gresiv|
    adjective
    2 (of a group, person, or idea) favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas : a relatively progressive governor.

    noun
    1 a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
    2 Grammar a progressive tense or aspect : the present progressive.
    3 (also progressive proof) (usu. progressives) Printing each of a set of proofs of color work, showing all the colors separately and the cumulative effect of overprinting them.

    I truly suggest you try getting your information from something other than political pundits.

    FYI, and you can confirm this with Nick8 who has seen them, I have two bumper stickers on my car. The first is:

    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison

    The second is:

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson

    Both men, it will shock you to learn, considered themselves, "liberals."
     
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