Overcoming gym shower fear

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Had an interesting discussion with my wife the other day. She's my age and has started taking classes at a nearby YMCA. I've commented previously that I'm of the "swam nude asa Boy Scout and at the Y, and took group showers in school" generation.

She takes classes at two different Ys, since they both have different offerings on different days. She commented that she was shocked with the older facility because it has open showers and if you walk into the locker room you see naked women showering. I laughed and said this was normal, and said "you know what a woman's body looks like. Didn't you shower in High School?"

She did, but being a cheerleader it was just a few girls after hours, not a communal locker room full of bare skin.

My final verdict: Maybe it's an older guy thing. We were raised that way, and see undue modesty as depressing. We all have bodies, so having the feeling you need to hide yours is kinda sad.

(My next blog entry is going to be on the subject of experiences growing up. Stay tuned.)
Yes, it really does boil down to nothing more than the amount of experience you had showering naked with others when you were young. It's not a new fear of being filmed, or recent hysteria about there being a pervert around every corner. When you and I were growing up, we showered with the other boys at the end of every gym class so we didn't stink as teen boys do during following classes. Nudity around others was daily and normal and just....life. So we have spent our lives thinking that way. Many of us shared our bedrooms with brothers so got an even earlier lesson about nudity before school. As boys got their own bedrooms in times that followed they expected more privacy and became uncomfortable enough that after a few decades, they and hovering parents became OK with no showering at school. Now, even boys after sports practices don't shower. A far cry from all-nude YMCA's in the 60's, huh? It's truly sad that boys today miss out on the camaraderie of nude boys joking around with each other comfortably. Sigh.
 

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Yes, it really does boil down to nothing more than the amount of experience you had showering naked with others when you were young. It's not a new fear of being filmed, or recent hysteria about there being a pervert around every corner. When you and I were growing up, we showered with the other boys at the end of every gym class so we didn't stink as teen boys do during following classes. Nudity around others was daily and normal and just....life. So we have spent our lives thinking that way. Many of us shared our bedrooms with brothers so got an even earlier lesson about nudity before school. As boys got their own bedrooms in times that followed they expected more privacy and became uncomfortable enough that after a few decades, they and hovering parents became OK with no showering at school. Now, even boys after sports practices don't shower. A far cry from all-nude YMCA's in the 60's, huh? It's truly sad that boys today miss out on the camaraderie of nude boys joking around with each other comfortably. Sigh.

I think you totally ignore the fact that many boys were uncomfortable with that part of gym class and never got used to it. I know boys that I went to school with who avoided / "cut" gym class specifically because they did not want to change or shower in front of classmates, or worse, coaches and custodians (who in my high school, stood outside the communal shower and handed out towels).

Yes, for a lot of boys, it was a growth experience. But, for many others, it was a horrible experience that they never grew out of .
 

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I think you totally ignore the fact that many boys were uncomfortable with that part of gym class and never got used to it. I know boys that I went to school with who avoided / "cut" gym class specifically because they did not want to change or shower in front of classmates, or worse, coaches and custodians (who in my high school, stood outside the communal shower and handed out towels).

Yes, for a lot of boys, it was a growth experience. But, for many others, it was a horrible experience that they never grew out of .
Maybe so. Can you help me target the time period when you went through that?
 

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A Small Dick I Must Hide

The conventional answers on the web to this anxiety is three fold: 1) nobody is paying attention to your dick in the locker room; 2) you are not as small as you think you are, and 3) flaccid does not correlate to erect size. I think these observations are true but not too helpful.

Observation one: True it is your dick is not going to be the center of attention and your fixation on it is not shared by others who have their own to focus on. But of course your dick will be seen. That is what naked means -- dick is out of his underwear. Seen and paid attention to are not the same. I shower with lots of men over and over, week after week and I generally don't remember anything about their individual penises. But if you asked me who is really big, yep one dude pops into my mind. And when I think smallest, I have to think longer but can think of a couple. Everyone else whose face I can recall I remember nothing about their dicks.

Assertion two is totally true. Men who are decidedly average or even above think they are comparatively smaller than they are.

It is also true some guys grow more than others upon erection, and there is locker room puff where some men's dicks get a little semi so they have a locker room size that's bigger than their softest.

But none of this matters in my view. You think your dick is small, so let's accept that as fact even if it might not be true and even if you would enjoy a bit of puff that would equalize you. And let's assume everyone will see and remember your cock (even though they truly won't).

To begin, full disclosure: My flaccid dick is objectively small. And my erect dick if it tries really hard (pun intended) just makes six inches.

If your reason for not wanting to undress in the locker room is perceived small dick, you have a ton to gain by doing this. Why? No man should have dick shame. It messes up a lot of stuff in life. We are all better off when we are honestly comfortable and accepting (not necessarily fully satisfied) with ourselves.

While being naked in a locker room is a simple utilitarian matter of getting changed and cleaning up, psychologically much more is happening.

When you are naked in a locker room you make a profession of gender (I belong and am allowed here only because I identify as a man). You are trusting and identifying with other men and they trust you (he just dropped his drawers with you in the room because you're 'just' another man like him and you accept him as such).

The psychology is never expressed, and for dudes for whom the locker room shower was always really easy, there is nothing seemingly profound about it. Even though, what it means is accepting yourself, trusting others, expressing your gender identity and by mere presence validating his.

Men who have a locker room anxiety hang up want to shower with the guys, crave doing it but have a wall of anxiety and fear that prevents them from doing it.

If that is you, you can work on being okay with your dick (he's tired of you being ashamed of him what with all the good he does for you) and work up to taking that liberating shower.

How to? I shared some generic thoughts earlier.

Any small dick anxiety dudes want to tell how they managed to get past it?
I was in grade school in a small town in New Jersey 70-some years ago. There was no gym in our grade school, an we had no communal swimming pool or anything like it. There was no institutional mechanism for me and other kids to see one-another naked. A few of us did experiment and play with one another behind closed doors, but there was no "legitimate" part of our lives that allowed us to share nudity. And then my family moved to another part of the country, and a grading system that put me, entering the 9th grade, in a school that had (hush) GYM CLASS(!) ANd I was terrified. But it wasn't because I didn't want to see and be seen nude. It was because I didn't know or have the right sort of gear to wear in a gym class. And I didn't know how one behaved in gym class. And I did make a couple of costuming mistakes. And I fumbled a bit with the combination locks on the lockers. But oh my, did I ever LOVE seeing the hottest guys in the class with their bare cocks hanging out. Fears take so many shapes, but most of us survive the initial experiences. (And my favorite thing of all was to have a cold or something and take an parental/doctor's excuse to gym. The teacher had a practice of having such sickies stay clothed and hand out towels to the naked guys leaving the showers. How's that for a make do assignment? (Loved it! Got a hard on and nobody knew.)
 

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I think you totally ignore the fact that many boys were uncomfortable with that part of gym class and never got used to it. I know boys that I went to school with who avoided / "cut" gym class specifically because they did not want to change or shower in front of classmates, or worse, coaches and custodians (who in my high school, stood outside the communal shower and handed out towels).

Yes, for a lot of boys, it was a growth experience. But, for many others, it was a horrible experience that they never grew out of .
Yes, I guess there were some of those boys back then, because I was one of them---at first. All of us 6th graders knew that we were gonna have to get naked and shower in front of everyone the next year when we went to middle school/junior high school for 7th grade. It was a fact of life back in 1965...and just about everyone (guys and girls) were terrified. While "size" certainly wasn't an issue at twelve years old, the rest of my body was. I had entered puberty early...and was already pretty hairy. And, I didn't know what anyone else looked like, either.

But my dad had always taught me to be proud of my body, even though I was always literally the "runt of the litter" (always the smallest in my class)---so being ashamed of my body wasn't really the issue for me. I was just shy...period. He was ex-Navy...so nudity around other guys was no big deal to him. Nor around the house, either---he often walked back and forth from the shower to his bedroom naked. It was just no big deal (although my mom didn't like it much after my younger sister started getting older). And, he instilled that confidence in me as well. So, when I told him my fears, he just smiled and said that after the newness of it wore off, it would just seem natural. And, it did. After the first couple of days...well, the whole fear thing just went away. Seriously, the only fear I had was of some jerk snapping his towel on my ass to be funny. And, jeez...we even had open urinals in the showers in high school so that you wouldn't pee on the floor when the running water made "nature" call. College was the same---most guys walked back and forth to the showers from their dorm or frat house room naked. It was no big deal.

Being a swimmer and fitness buff for my entire life, I've been in and out of hundreds of communal showers. And, surprisingly over the years, I've found the conversations that I've had with other guys when we've both been naked there (or in the sauna afterwards) have been some of the more "real" ones that I've had. Seriously, you can't hide behind a facade when you're both there naked. But then, maybe that's why it's us "old guys" (no matter what shape we're now in) who feel comfortable being naked around other men. It really hasn't anything to do with sexual orientation, or body awareness...it's just very natural for us, and something most of us grew up with.

And, in all those years, I've never seen a guy with an erection...
 
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Being a swimmer and fitness buff for my entire life, I've been in and out of hundreds of communal showers. And, surprisingly over the years, I've found the conversations that I've had with other guys when we've both been naked there (or in the sauna afterwards) have been some of the more "real" ones that I've had. Seriously, you can't hide behind a facade when you're both there naked. But then, maybe that's why it's us "old guys" (no matter what shape we're now in) who feel comfortable being naked around other men. It really hasn't anything to do with sexual orientation, or body awareness...it's just very natural for us, and something most of us grew up with.
Great post! And this part really hit home. This is what makes me most sad when I see groups of high school boys at the gym just swapping clothing layers because they don't want their best buds to see them naked at the gym: the deep yet simple feelings of camaraderie of BS'ing while naked with each other, creating a deeper natural bond between them that we had, will always be lost to them.
 

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I think you totally ignore the fact that many boys were uncomfortable with that part of gym class and never got used to it. I know boys that I went to school with who avoided / "cut" gym class specifically because they did not want to change or shower in front of classmates, or worse, coaches and custodians (who in my high school, stood outside the communal shower and handed out towels).

Yes, for a lot of boys, it was a growth experience. But, for many others, it was a horrible experience that they never grew out of .
I absolutely hated having to shower after gym class in high school. And even worse was swimming class where we’d all be naked in front of each other for the whole hour. But it taught me there are lots of things in life you have to do even tho you’d rather not. Probably the most valuable lesson I learned in 4 years of high school! I was very self conscious about my body, was never very athletic, and was afraid I’d be ridiculed, but that never really happened, I think most of the other boys were at least as self conscious about their own bodies, and so having to go through this experience gave a big boost to my self confidence. By senior year of high school, they changed the policy on nude swim classes and made it optional for boys to go nude or to wear a swimsuit. About half the class went for each option. I was confident enough by that point to not bother with a swimsuit. So much as I hated having to shower & swim nude when I started high school, looking back on it, I’m really glad I was made to do it.
 

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I absolutely hated having to shower after gym class in high school. And even worse was swimming class where we’d all be naked in front of each other for the whole hour. But it taught me there are lots of things in life you have to do even tho you’d rather not. Probably the most valuable lesson I learned in 4 years of high school! I was very self conscious about my body, was never very athletic, and was afraid I’d be ridiculed, but that never really happened, I think most of the other boys were at least as self conscious about their own bodies, and so having to go through this experience gave a big boost to my self confidence. By senior year of high school, they changed the policy on nude swim classes and made it optional for boys to go nude or to wear a swimsuit. About half the class went for each option. I was confident enough by that point to not bother with a swimsuit. So much as I hated having to shower & swim nude when I started high school, looking back on it, I’m really glad I was made to do it.

No nude swimming in my New York high school in the 60's.

I hated swim class, primarily because I couldn't swim. :)
 

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I absolutely hated having to shower after gym class in high school. And even worse was swimming class where we’d all be naked in front of each other for the whole hour. But it taught me there are lots of things in life you have to do even tho you’d rather not. Probably the most valuable lesson I learned in 4 years of high school! I was very self conscious about my body, was never very athletic, and was afraid I’d be ridiculed, but that never really happened, I think most of the other boys were at least as self conscious about their own bodies, and so having to go through this experience gave a big boost to my self confidence. By senior year of high school, they changed the policy on nude swim classes and made it optional for boys to go nude or to wear a swimsuit. About half the class went for each option. I was confident enough by that point to not bother with a swimsuit. So much as I hated having to shower & swim nude when I started high school, looking back on it, I’m really glad I was made to do it.
That's a fascinating transition! I've never heard from someone who crossed over that boundary. I'm glad you got to being that comfortable in your own skin by your senior year! (And thanks for confirming that swimming classes really were all nude the whole period! Some boys today just can't imagine it and it blows their minds. :)
 
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That's a fascinating transition! I've never heard from someone who crossed over that boundary. I'm glad you got to being that comfortable in your own skin by your senior year! (And thanks for confirming that swimming classes really were all nude the whole period! Some boys today just can't imagine it and it blows their minds. :)
I think part of it was also that in our school up until senior year, boys always had to take swimming class nude but girls were given bathing suits to wear during their class. So by senior year when we were given the option, there was a sense that it was kind of effeminate to want to wear a swimsuit in an all male swim class. Plus, we’d already seen each other’s dicks in the showers after every gym class and during every swim class for the first 3 years of high school. For me, it just seemed more masculine and more mature to be in the half of the class who couldn’t be bothered wearing swimsuits. And I know at least some of the boys who opted to wear swimsuits admired and maybe envied the self confidence of those of us who didn‘t.
 

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I think part of it was also that in our school up until senior year, boys always had to take swimming class nude but girls were given bathing suits to wear during their class. So by senior year when we were given the option, there was a sense that it was kind of effeminate to want to wear a swimsuit in an all male swim class. Plus, we’d already seen each other’s dicks in the showers after every gym class and during every swim class for the first 3 years of high school. For me, it just seemed more masculine and more mature to be in the half of the class who couldn’t be bothered wearing swimsuits. And I know at least some of the boys who opted to wear swimsuits admired and maybe envied the self confidence of those of us who didn‘t.
Yah, good point. After that much time, the seniors had gotten used to associating swimming with nakedness and suits with ....something else. I'm glad you could make the transition naturally, others admiring you for your comfort level with it. I've read that, during that period, boys would practice naked even with girls in the stands, and at public meets. Seems so wild to think of today. lol Did the boys in your class practice only with guys around?
 

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Yah, good point. After that much time, the seniors had gotten used to associating swimming with nakedness and suits with ....something else. I'm glad you could make the transition naturally, others admiring you for your comfort level with it. I've read that, during that period, boys would practice naked even with girls in the stands, and at public meets. Seems so wild to think of today. lol Did the boys in your class practice only with guys around?
Right, our gym classes which became swimming class during the winter months, were separate for boys and girls. Until senior year, boys were required to be nude, our teacher was a guy who wore a swimsuit, and there were no females present. I was never on the swim team, but the boys who were wore swimsuits during their meets. Not sure what they did during practice but it was probably nude since that was the norm whenever it was just boys in the pool.
 
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Right, our gym classes which became swimming class during the winter months, were separate for boys and girls. Until senior year, boys were required to be nude, our teacher was a guy who wore a swimsuit, and there were no females present. I was never on the swim team, but the boys who were wore swimsuits during their meets. Not sure what they did during practice but it was probably nude since that was the norm whenever it was just boys in the pool.
Ohhh, I thought this was all swim team stuff. Gym class that became swim class all winter? I wish our school had had a pool! I suppose that there was no diving instruction going on then; that was probably for some of the swim team boys. It's an odd visual to think of naked boys on diving boards. lol
 

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Ohhh, I thought this was all swim team stuff. Gym class that became swim class all winter? I wish our school had had a pool! I suppose that there was no diving instruction going on then; that was probably for some of the swim team boys. It's an odd visual to think of naked boys on diving boards. lol
Actually there was diving during the swim classes but it was optional. The teacher never made any of us dive if we didn’t want to, and I never wanted to. I remember some of the boys would grab their dicks and balls as they dove off the board to keep them from flopping around!
 
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