Owning up to their OWN truth!!

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  1. Mensch1351

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    Funny how some politicians just don't "get it" that they ARE being video-taped. The simple truth is that the Republican House voted to back the Ryan Budget which wants to privatize Medicare & Medicaid by giving future Seniors a "voucher" for $15,000 to purchase their own insurance rather than having it provided by the government! Once again I won't have a beaurocrat between me and my doctor -- but an insurance man/woman!!
    FACT - they keep on saying they are just simply there to "do the will of the people" -- and yet 75%+ of the American people are against any changes in Medicare/Medicaid to balance the budget! (Who's listening to who??)
    NOW -- these Republican House members are going before town hall meetings in their districts and actually saying that they REALLY didn't do what they did! Trying to convince the voters that this all wasn't really what it "seems" to be! Do they honestly believe anyone is going to buy all this fancy dancing??? Hey guys -- just OWN up to what you've done. YOUR vision of what you want America to be in relation to this program just is NOT what America wants --- soooo you try to convince us, "Well.....it really is just a blue-print" .............my foot!! And to think --- you just didn't even bother to mention ANY of this when you were running for office. And if the American people are smart --you won't be coming BACK to Washington after 2012! Always the hidden agenda -- ALWAYS the hidden agenda. BTWay --- where are the JOBS Mr. Boehner?????? And what's the plan??
     
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    Hopefully that will come back to bite them in their collective asses soon. Can some of these states hold recall elections on the people they sent to DC?
     
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    If you have not earned and saved enough money to pay for your medical expenses out of your own pocket, or have generous philanthropists willing to foot your bill, then you SHOULD have an insurance man/woman between you and your doctor. You do not have a 'right' to medical care because it requires WORK and expensive KNOWLEDGE, EXPERTISE, and EQUIPMENT (which are designed by engineers that spent tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for their education, and built by people that must be paid). I don't think it's right for you to expect all that for free.

    You get out of life what you put into it. If you volunteered your whole life to help others, I GUARANTEE you will get the help when your time of need comes. But if you just sat around all your life expecting people to do everything for you without having done anything in return then you deserve what may result.

    And if you happen to perish early as a result, well then we can reference Darwin when we try to think of what your life or lack thereof has done to benefit humanity.
     
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    Wow... that was pointless. Hard talk from someone who wouldn't know the hard life even if it came to them in a form of an erect 12" dick. :rolleyes:
     
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    Simple solutions for simple, greedy little minds.

    Time to bring back the workhouses and debtors' prisons too.
     
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    It never surprises me how the attitude of those who have been very fortunate in life concerning their finances somehow feels -- what --- better than those for whom life has been a greater struggle. Maybe they feel more deserving of their blessings!

    I've often believed they just don't get it.........and a post like this just proves my point. I know a hell of a LOT of people who work damn hard but just don't seem to get ahead financially. To those who seem to think, "Too bad for you pal," I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if you'd had a stroke at 35 and couldn't earn a decent living --- or had your $80K a year job outsourced during the Bush years and the ONLY thing you could find was a $10 per hour job. So work 4 jobs!!! Sure -- why not!! Don't ever expect any help from those who bat a little ball around a golf course and make 900 million a year -- while you are a nurse, helping people every day cleaning up their messes and trying to salvage some shred of dignity from a hospital stay and making $35K a year..................sheez.............

    And when it comes to Medicare.........I THOUGHT it was put in place because millions of older Americans simply couldn't afford the price of health care on a FIXED income. In 2011 -- one -- just ONE triple by-pass surgery could cost you your savings and your home! So??? Ain't ME -- why should I give a damn! Your problem pal -- not mine! Well........all it takes is one drunk driver coming at you in YOUR lane! Your life is a lot more fragile than you may ever imagine -- but at least you'll be able to AFFORD prime A+ super medical care!

    Nice to know that hard working upstanding Americans could really care less about other Americans who just haven't had it so "cushy" in life!
    It just ain't true -- "when ONE of us hurts -- ALL of us hurts"!! Should it be????
     
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    What you said. :biggthumpup2:

    That seems to be the mindset of a certain brand of conservative: It's not a problem if it's not happening to me; if it's happening to you, it must be your fault (because you're lazy) so you deserve it. Those of us who actually have consciences, however, care about what happens to other people because even if it doesn't affect us directly, it eventually comes back to us indirectly, i.e. the societal costs associated with high poverty levels or the burdens on individual families of caring for the elderly.
     
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    I do not know what the answer is, but I know for sure we need to make cuts somewhere (and I think the republicans who do not want to cut military spending are nuts) and medicare/medicaid, etc... is one piece of the puzzle that has to be looked at. I do not not think the government should foot the bill for a 90-year old with a very low chance of survival to extend their (if you can call it by that point) life by a year.

    Plus, I could support entitlements more if the people who support them put forth ideas to combat fraud, whether by doctors or people who sit at home and do nothing and suck at the government teets.

    My girlfriends sisters husband takes unemployment but gladly sits at home and does nothing when he could easily walk across the street and work a gas station (does not even have a high school diploma, by the way).
     
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    Medicare could be easily fixed by allowing the government to negotiate pharmaceutical prices...something any company or any other country can do, but not the US Federal government. The PHRMA lobby is pretty good at what they do.

    Fraud is not a significant issue in any social spending scheme, in terms of the big picture.

    Does the gas station pay more than his unemployment? It would be stupid to do that if it didn't. Eventually unemployment runs out, however.
     
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    Yo! Mensch 1251:

    I hear that "my" Senator who supposedly leads the rest of them is going to call for a Senate vote on the proposed Ryan budget, with the somewhat secure knowledge that it won't pass. The idea being to get every Republican Senator to show their cards and face their constituents. Nothing like a Senator, regardless of stripe, to go on record as voting against the welfare of his or her constituents.

    Of course, I also hear that Donald Trump plans on taking credit for the results, regardless if it doesn't or does pass. He's such a patriot.
     
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    you guys need an equivalent system to the nhs
     
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    My God --- at last the Democrats have a strategy!!! I just hope the collective memory of the electorate doesn't short circut before Nov 2012!
     
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    Your post is the largest pile of bullshit I've read on here in a LONG time. You do realize you come off (and probably are) as a cold hearted, selfish bastard. One of these days life is going to bitch slap you, and hopefully your head will dislodge from your ass.
     
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    Oh, but we couldn't possibly have that. That would be socialism, which is contrary to private property rights and God's will.
     
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    Your ideas would get a whole lot more traction if private health insurance were universally available, but it isn't. Because both parties have sold their collective souls to the insurance industry and, as has been mentioned above by PHRMA, the power to discriminate against those of us with pre-existing conditions and deny us coverage at any price, means that the Feds are essentially obliged to step in. That's the way the system's been set up.

    I'd be delighted if I could purchase private insurance, but having survived 27 years living with HIV makes me permanently ineligible. And the pharmaceutical industry makes it virtually impossible to purchase their products "off the grid", unless I actually had upwards of $6000-$10,000 monthly to spend on my meds and the continuous testing required to assure their efficacy.

    But it's not just HIV that renders me uninsurable; I live with a genetic degenerative disc disorder in my cervical spine (arthritis in the neck) which cannot be operated upon yet. The problems are too numerous and we simply don't yet have the technology at our disposal to make any surgery's benefits outweigh the risks, so I rely to a large degree on pain management, which is being micromanaged out of existence because of "pill farming" and other abuses of the system. I simply cannot obtain the prescriptions required to live a pain-free life.

    And, of course, I'm still working: my two requests to be considered for disability/Medicare have been denied (despite having flatlined twice and dealing with arteries in the condition of a man older than my father). Perhaps what I really need is a better lawyer, but until then I am the sole means of my support, however diminished the skill set I can present to the world at large.

    Being way too much of a Randian rugged individualist (a trait otherwise considered admirable by those of a conservative slant), I discovered early on that corporate America has no holes for my big square peg, and as a result have always worked for entrepreneurs. Working in small teams of intensely creative people works out great for me in every area except one: my presence in their small insurance pool is guaranteed to drive up everyone's cost. When I lived in New England, it was a cost that was considered acceptable based on the results I brought to my jobs: down here in Florida not so much. If one more employer gives me that heartfelt "we'd-love-to-offer-you-insurance-but-can't-afford-it" speech I'll very literally vomit all over his/her office.

    So at the present time I'm one of nearly 4000 people in Florida in line on an ADAP waiting list for meds and services. I wouldn't resent it quite so much if we as a nation didn't continue to send hundreds of millions of dollars overseas to fund GW Bush's main legacy/vanity projects called PEPFAR. Google it.

    I though that Social Darwinism was settled for good in an underground bunker in Berlin in 1945. Ironically, the world's evolved beyond such outmoded ways of thinking. Maybe you should try it, too.
     
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