Palestinians Kill Again

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I just figured with such a misleading title on the other thread, this one would balance things out a bit. After bombing a bus in Tel Aviv filled with civilians, with the intention of harming civilians, it's hard to discuss such matters under a thread titled "Israel kills again." This way, the different topics can be discussed in their respective threads.
 

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till now its 130 death civil palestineans and just 4 death israelis - i guess the titel fits very well
 

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It's 130 Palestinian deaths, but they're not all civilian. Over 60 are Hamas fighters.

You can't group together Palestinian casualties when you're looking at who got hurt but then claim that there are innocent Palestinians when you're looking at who's responsible for the terror. Just as the innocent Palestinians are different from Hamas, the civilians are different from the fighters. It's about 60 Hamas dead vs. 70 civilians dead. Make sure to make that distinction, unless you believe the civilians and terrorists are one in the same. In which case, they're all terrorists...
 
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Whats the next move, rounding up and gassing/burning Palestinians by the train load?

No but if Hamas or their cousins had that capability available to them, they probably wouldn't hesitate to use it on their opposition be it Israeli, Infidel or anything that disagreed with their perception of right.
 

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This is one of those issues that I just don't have any constructive ideas about. I understand that the Palestinians are pissed because 60 years ago, the white world basically shoved them all into a couple of tiny, filthy ghettos. It seems similar to what happened to the American Indians here in the United States. Of course they'd fight back with whatever weapons they had at hand.

At the same time, most people living in Israel today weren't born when that happened, and they just want to go about their lives. But rockets rain down on them all the time and people blow up their buses. Of course they're going to retaliate, sometimes with disproportionate force to send a message. If I lived near an Indian Reservation, and every now and then they fired deadly explosives at my neighborhood, I would be like, we've got to wipe these fuckers out.
 

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Of course they're going to retaliate, sometimes with disproportionate force to send a message. If I lived near an Indian Reservation, and every now and then they fired deadly explosives at my neighborhood, I would be like, we've got to wipe these fuckers out.

A perfectly rational response, even though it's not very "warm and fuzzy." Realize, also, that proportional responses are used by people who are trying to save face, not by people who are trying to win decisively.

Assuming that Israel intends to win any conflict in which they engage, and their history would indicate that this is a reasonable assumption, then their use of massively disproportionate force would be predictable.
 

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Can someone explain to me what constitutes proportional force? What exactly is "proportional"? That's one thing I never understood. Should you kill the exact number of them as they killed of you? A couple less? Couple more? The goal is to stop attacks from anyone, however much force that requires is what I consider proportionate. Keep in mind throughout this escalation food and medical supplies were still being transported into Gaza.
 

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I love how godwins law can now be used to discount even a completely valid comparison that fits this situation to a T.
The internet is such a special place.


Really? It's a completely valid and accurate comparison that fits the situation to a T?

Well then, the Jews under Nazi Germany must have had a walk in the park then! They must have had shopping malls, visiting diplomats, lots of food, electricity, the list goes on...

Israel has no interest in killing anyone as a result of their race or religion. Israel wants nobody to die. If you are trying to kill other people, the only way to prevent more death is killing you (since you've made it obvious from years of failed wars and negotiations that you have no desire to stop murdering people).
 

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Hell, if you want to compare either of the groups to the Nazis, you're pointing in the wrong direction!

There is one group here committed to the extermination of another group of people based on their race/religion: it is the Islamists who want to kill all the Jews! They say it loudly and proudly all the time!
 

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I think that a picture worth 1000 words, right?

hamas - Google Search

so if those are the people from hamas I wouldn't like to be their neighbor either.
A bunch of terrorists just like al qaeda...

Israel is right.
Would love to see how you behave, if you grew up without any rights, as a third class person...


And to start a second thread about the same theme, just cause you dont like the titel, is as smart as to build a wall and declare you are willing to negotiate...

Facts dont care for you, just your point of view...
 

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Would love to see how you behave, if you grew up without any rights, as a third class person...


And to start a second thread about the same theme, just cause you dont like the titel, is as smart as to build a wall and declare you are willing to negotiate...

Facts dont care for you, just your point of view...


Grow up without rights? You mean how life is for Arabs in the other Arab countries?

They enjoy more rights in Israel than they do in any other Arab country... Maybe they should go to Saudi Arabia, they could really enjoy their rights to drive and vote there. Or perhaps Iran, or Libya. What nonsense.

They have rights, you just choose to ignore them. Show me one Arab nation where a Jew serves in the parliament or as a judge that makes important decisions.
 

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Grow up without rights? You mean how life is for Arabs in the other Arab countries?

They enjoy more rights in Israel than they do in any other Arab country... Maybe they should go to Saudi Arabia, they could really enjoy their rights to drive and vote there. Or perhaps Iran, or Libya. What nonsense.
im talking of the people of gaza - not arabs in israel

They have rights, you just choose to ignore them. Show me one Arab nation where a Jew serves in the parliament or as a judge that makes important decisions.
Sounds funny, but you will finde 2 jews at the iranian parliament :cool: