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  1. sargon20

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    If you are biracial and born in a state not connected to the lower 48, America needs darn near 2 years and 3 major speeches to 'get to know you.' If you're white and from a state not connected to the lower 48, America needs 36 minutes and 38 seconds worth of an acceptance speech to know you're 'one of us.'

    If you get 18 million people to vote for you in a national presidential primary, you're a 'phoney.' Get 100,000+ people to vote you governor of the 47th most populous state in the Union , you're 'well loved.'

    If your pastor rails against inequality in the United States of America , you're an 'extremist.' If your pastor welcomes a sermon by a member of Jews for Jesus who preaches that the killing of Jews by terrorists is a lesson to Jews that they must convert to Christianity, you're a 'fundamentalist.'

    If you give your wife dap on stage, it's actually a 'terrorist fist jab.' If your daughter licks her palm so that she can slick down your youngest child's hair on national TV it's an 'adorable moment.' (Seriously, forget about abstinence only, teach these folks some grooming skills).

    If you're 18, white, and get a 16 year old girl pregnant 'life happens.' If you're 18, black, and impregnate a 1 6 year old girl, you're a 'registered sex offender.'

    If you're a black man and you use a scholarship to get into college, then work your way up to being the president of the Harvard Law Review, you're 'uppity.' If you're a conservative and your parents pay your way to Hawaii Pacific University . . . you only have four more schools to attend over the next five years before you somehow manage to graduate (it might be five more schools over the next five years. No one has yet verified whether or not Palin was actually ever registered at the University of Hawaii at Hilo . But, you know how shady people are who ever attended any kind of school in Hawaii ).

    If you spend 18 months building a campaign around the theme of 'Change,' it's just 'empty rhetoric.' If one week before your party's national convention you SUDDENLY make your candidacy about 'Change,' that's 'red meat.'

    If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a 'token hire.'
    If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a 'game changer.'

    If you live in an Urban area and you get a girl pregnant you're a 'baby daddy.'
    If you're the same in Alaska you're a 'teen father.' (Actually, according to your own MySpace page you're an F'n redneck that don't want any kids, but that's too long a phrase for the evil liberal media to take out=2 0of context and flog morning noon and night).

    Black teen pregnancies? A 'crisis' in black America .
    White teen pregnancies? A 'blessed event.'

    If you grow up in Hawaii you're 'exotic.'
    Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential 'American story.'

    Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you're 'unpatriotic.'
    Name your kid Track, you're 'colorful.'

    If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fulling vetting the individual you're 'reckless.'
    A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a 'maverick.'

    If you say that for the 'first time in my adult lifetime I'm really proud of my country' it makes you 'unfit' to be First Lady.
    If you are a registered member of a fringe political group that advocates secession that makes you 'First Dude.'

    A DUI from twenty years ago is 'old news.'
    A speech given without proper citation from twenty years ago is 'relevant information.'

    And, finally, if you're a man and you decide to run for office despite your wife's reoccurrence of cancer you're a 'questionable spouse.'
    If you're a woman and you decide to run for office despite having five kids including a newborn with Downs Syndrome¬Ö Well, we don't know what that is 'cause THAT'S NOT A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK!
     
  2. invisibleman

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    Oh and you noticed that too?

    :smile: Politics confound reason.
     
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    I don't get the point of this. We're comparing apples and oranges. Some of these aren't even Obama-Palin references.
     
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    No, you (and many others) wouldn't get the point, would you?

    Which is, incidentally, PRECISELY the point.


    (Btw, EXCELLENT analogies, Sargon.)
     
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    For the most part you are hallucinating. However, this line struck me as interesting:



    All children are blessings, no matter what. The crisis is the single parent households. I believe that there are racists that would have the black community believe that the best course of action is to kill as many black babies as possible. The black community should not take that lying down. They should be teaching these kids that if they don't abstain from sexual activity that they must take responsibility and get married and raise the child. That is how the poor black communities are going to rise up if they ever do.

    You allow genocide and black will always be a minority. You accept irresponsibility and praise unmarried sex and single mothers that have 3 children with 3 different dead-beat dads, and black communities will always be poor and full of crime and unhappiness.

    And I'm not talking about all blacks and I'm not talking about only blacks either. There are poor white communities that have the same problem. But what I am saying is that it is flat out overwhelming in black communities.

    Treat children as a blessing, and sex as a sacred gift for married couples, and preach responsibility for both men AND women and the poor black community will come flying up out of poverty. I guarantee it.
     
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    stratedude: This is a "class" issue, not a race issue. Case in point, you can replace the word "black" with any race you like and your statement stays the same. Learn that poverty has nothing to do with the color of a person's skin.

    I agree that we need to force people to take responsibility for bringing children into the world. And let's get real about this... you're never going to convince the majority of people in the world not to engage in unmarried sexual activity. It's not as if all unplanned pregnancies are caused by unmarried people. Many career-orientated couples where both the male & female are married try their hardest to postpone having a family until they feel the time is right. And yes, some women who fall in this category decide to have abortions too if they "accidently" get pregnant.

    All people who are in poverty share many things in common, but none of them is the color of their skin or their sexual activity. Why else would there be a poverty rate for a single person with no kids? You fix poverty with providing quality education, affordable housing, affordable healthcare & creating jobs to the people in these poor areas. This has nothing to do with whether or not they're fucking before marriage.
     
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    LEARN TO READ AND COMPREHEND MY WHOLE POST:

    "And I'm not talking about all blacks and I'm not talking about only blacks either. There are poor white communities that have the same problem. But what I am saying is that it is flat out overwhelming in black communities. "

    The only reason I focused on the racial differences was because I was responding to this:

    Why didn't you say the same to him? Hmmm.
     
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    You make an excellent point. But to determine class takes a lot of CPU cycles to determine accurately while race (which is an illusion) takes a few seconds. How to convince people to spend the time?
     
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    I love it. Great post, Sargon.

    Reminds me of this, speaking of the rich, and the way people adore those "in power":

    "Through tattered gowns, small vices do appear.
    Riches and furred gowns hide all.
    Plate sin with gold,
    And the strong lance of justice hurtless breaks.
    Arm it in rags, a pygmy's straw doth pierce it."

    If people love power and money, and associate it with idiot white bimbos (male or female), those bimbos can do no wrong. McCain attacks Obama for being a "celeb," and then turns right around and out-celebs him with a pretty, brainless face. The GOP swoons and faints with love.

    McCain proves that if you really have power, you can choose and appoint anybody you like just because they make you look and feel good. This is exactly how and why the GOP elected Bush. They just loved the way he made them feel. Didn't matter at all that he was completely incompetent. It didn't matter in 2000 and 2004, and for the GOP, it will not matter at all in 2008. The message they send is that only fools have to work and worry about being competent. Pretty white rich folks, by contrast, answer to no one. If there is a better example of the raw exercise of pure power fueled by money, self-indulgence and greed, I have no idea what it is.

    This is why hatred toward the US increased so dramatically in the past 8 years, and why it will go over the top if we elect McBimbo and his new GF. Hard to imagine a greater insult to adults who not only realize that life, the world, the US, and our common problems must be taken seriously, but that anyone in public office who does not, puts them and the entire world at risk. Imagine Palin with her finger on the nuclear button, distracted about how she looks.
     
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    Sargon was not calling black pregnancies a crisis in America. He was pointing out DOUBLE STANDARDS (i.e. differences in America's perception) as applied to quite similar circumstances.

    (DAMN! Do we really have to read between the lines for these guys?????????)

    These differences in perception are NOT hallucinations as someone would suggest but realities of perception that are so subliminally embedded in our society that they are almost unnoticed by most and denied by the rest.

    How many times have we seen the evening news where some toddler has wandered off from the home? In most cases where the family is white we see a relieved mother being interviewed by concerned and supportive newspeople ("Gee I just turned my back for a minute and off he went!!"), the helpful friendly neighboorhood officer who saw the toddler home and hung around to reassure the family, the whimsically relieved newscrew, "Boy! A close call but happy ending for mommy and little Tyke."

    Now make that a black toddler. Now grim faced newsreporters, flashing lights on police cars, interviews and commentary by child protection officers, charges of child negligence and pictures of "mommy" being escorted to the squad car.... seen it too many times.

    That same double standard that makes young black teen males vandals, hoods, delinquents, gangsta's - and young white teens frivilous frollicking Animal House frat boy types... just out playing pranks. ("You naughty boys.")
     
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    stratedude: I completely understood both posts.

    One post targeted a double standard on the same issue, and how it's perceived by most Republicans based on the difference of race. It doesn't represent any particular individual at all. Whereas your statement clearly represents YOUR view. You directly pinpointed a problem with today's society by putting the majority of the issue on a particular race. And I have to be brutally honest with you, this problem is not overwhelmingly in the black community. That's why I made my comments. It's not just black people trying to get paternity tests on Maury.

    All I'm telling you is when it comes to issues about the poor, try to leave race out of it. When you put race up front, it alienates one particular group and excuses all others who are under the same exact circumstances. A poor black family will have the same issues as most poor white, hispanic, asian or any other families. That's why you need to look at the problem as a class issue. That way, you affect EVERYONE in that situation.
     
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    PS:

    "Through tattered gowns, small vices do appear.
    Riches and furred gowns hide all.
    Plate sin with gold,
    And the strong lance of justice hurtless breaks.
    Arm it in rags, a pygmy's straw doth pierce it."
     
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    Unfortunately we have to... and I don't think they're listening. :(
     
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    I know you are flat out dead wrong and backwards on this but I have a feeling that we may have to agree to disagree, depending on your ability to open up your mind. You see, I spent 12 years growing up in an inner city public school system, and now I volunteer in the very same school system. On the OTHER hand, I am married to a woman whose entire family and all her friends grew up their whole life in a private Catholic school system. I spent the past decade studying the differences between the two. I always wondered why the Catholics have a much greater success rate (even the ones that grew up in the inner city). Let me tell you it is absolutely not the quality of education. In fact if the quality is any worse it would be because of the fact that the classrooms are full of kids that grew up in single parent households, i.e. raised themselves. They tend to never do homework or even study and that drags the whole learning rate down for the whole class. They tend to have little or no discipline which is horribly disruptive. And lastly and most importantly, private schools have the power and ability to expel these kids.

    It all goes back to what is going on at home. The kids who have two parents where at least one is holding their child accountable. Single parents can and have pulled this off, sometimes with no help at all. But this is extremely rare. The truth is that kids with no supervision are not ready for school, don't study enough, and skip too often when they get old enough. Don't sit there and tell me that a higher quality of education is going to help that. It is a fantasticly incorrect theory. A better job, or a higher paying job would do little as well. Even if a woman was a work-at-home mom, boys without a strong male role model in their life are at a huge risk of going out of control. Call it sexist if you want, but it is a fact.

    What these poor neighborhoods need is to start by encouraging the PARENTS to take responsibility. As I stated above:
    "Treat children as a blessing, and sex as a sacred gift for married couples, and preach responsibility for both men AND women and the poor black [and white] community will come flying up out of poverty. I guarantee it."

    Because the children will get a QUALITY education because they will be held accountable for studying and doing homework. The private school parents have known this all along.
     
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    And that hatred will come back to hunt us. When the next 9/11 hits and we ask the world, hat in hand, to help us who is going to help? What country is going to support it's leaders in helping the US. We can use Pakistan as a big big huge example. bin Laden could be planning another one right now and what could we do? All we can do is fly Predators around because NO one on the ground wants to help. No one wants to be seen helping the big Satin. 'officials told the newspaper the main reason is an inability to develop informants in Pakistan's isolated tribal regions thought to be bin Laden's hiding place'

    And I cannot imagine Palin or Mccain for that matter close to anything resembling a launch button. Palin has spoked on war as God's Will. How does her 'holy war' differ than binLaden's 'holy war'. Ohh ours is good his is bad.

    World Wants Obama To Be Next US President - BBC Poll
     
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    Well I'm going to be brutally honest with you: It seems to me that the false perception is on the liberals. I see time and time again that they tell me what they think Republicans think based on sterotypes and caricatures I see in mainstream media, Hollywood and music. So to respond to this - No, I didn't think that even though you THINK I did based on your preconceived notions of what a "typical Rupublican" should think.

    No. But if you assumed that then sorry for not making that clearer.
    I absolutely did not say that or even imply that! You sir have FAILED to comprehend my statement.

    I did NOT say the problem was "overwelmingly in the black community"

    I said that the problem is "overwelming in the black community"

    If you can't see the overwelming difference between these two statements, then you shouldn't even be arguing here.
     
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    It's not like Sarah Palin isn't getting tons of flack or Obama isn't getting a free ride in many circles (for example: this one). They're just different circles and ones that are quick to pick up on any inequities with the candidates they oppose.

    This is just more blind partisanship.

    And what about Joe Biden? I think the guy is feeling unloved (or perhaps relieved), with all the talk about the other three candidates. Honestly I think he's the person on any ticket that people most trust to do the job.
     
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    Excuse you? Obama getting a free ride, where? Here? I think not. Where have you been while everything but his shoe size has been discussed?
     
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    Where are his records as a community organizer and state senator? Allegations of involvement Tony Rezko, whose funding of Obama may have gone back as far as Saddam Hussein himself. Questions of insider trading and passing favorable legislation for companies in which he owned stock, connections with William Ayers, yadda yadda. No one short of conservative watchdog groups are interested in his work in those areas apparently. I don't particularly believe there's much to be seen here, but you know if it were a conservative, MoveON would be on his ass. Hell, they threatened my mother with an ethics investigation a few years ago because she donated $100 to a Republican candidate for governor (they backed the fuck off...or else they might not still be here). You know they'd be all over a presidential candidate if they're willing to start a racket against Republican donors.

    And I'll note he's not ASSUMED to be evil. It's a given with the REPUGNANTCANS. That kind of tripe makes this place look bad. But not to the kinds of people who'd join it I guess :rolleyes:
     
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    And we know nothing about Sarah...zero. She exploded on the scene with a speech that had already been written before she was even chosen. So who is she? We don't know. And apparently they intend to keep a lot hidden.
     
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