Paris climate accord... we're out

[Perados]

As a Trump supporter, I am now realizing that Trump made a big mistake pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. This is sure to result in rising sea levels, from all the liberal tears.

I think that's an improvement.
You accept that the rise of sea level is man made... just the logic behind still reminds of the logic why it isn't man made.

 

[Perados]

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So I gather from your post you believe I'm either lying, or mistaken, about the source of the overwhelming stench from diesel fumes. Which is it? I can assure you the pollution / emissions / fumes from the diesel trucks / cars / buses was something I have NEVER experienced in the US. The fumes were so bad that it gave several of my friends headaches the entire time we were there.

So, until you clarify, I can only assume you believe me to be lying, Arschloch. It is quite apparent from your posts that you are very defensive about diesel cars in Europe, and clearly have the standard anti-American, Euro-trash views of all things American. Whatever your hangup, it's your issue. But don't accuse others of lying simply because you appear to be offended.

I really don't care if you lie or not. The way you see me is just as unimportant.

The point is, you told a story to point out that there are many Diesel in Europe and they are dirty. You are right to say, in Europe the Diesel is quite common.
But in some point you are simply wrong.
At first, you blaim Truks and buses, but they are WAY more clean that passengers cars. Also,when I'm right, the Diesel is used for American trucks as well.

When we talk about pollution, we have to make clear what kind of. This thread is about the Paris treaties and, how I interpret it, the CO2 emmision, that cause the increase in temperature.
To blame Diesel for a high pollution, in this context, is simply wrong. The CO2 emissions are lower. The changed emission data are about NOx.

If you like to talk about it, you are welcome, but please don't mix it with the climate change.

P.s. no, I don't support the diesel. I just leak to be clear about arguements and facts

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

I really don't care if you lie or not. The way you see me is just as unimportant.

The point is, you told a story to point out that there are many Diesel in Europe and they are dirty. You are right to say, in Europe the Diesel is quite common.
But in some point you are simply wrong.
At first, you blaim Truks and buses, but they are WAY more clean that passengers cars. Also,when I'm right, the Diesel is used for American trucks as well.

When we talk about pollution, we have to make clear what kind of. This thread is about the Paris treaties and, how I interpret it, the CO2 emmision, that cause the increase in temperature.
To blame Diesel for a high pollution, in this context, is simply wrong. The CO2 emissions are lower. The changed emission data are about NOx.

If you like to talk about it, you are welcome, but please don't mix it with the climate change.

P.s. no, I don't support the diesel. I just leak to be clear about arguements and facts

Maybe you should bring that up to the American EPA, which refuse to accept that the emissions by unregulated diesel motors actually benefits the converting of oxygen by plant life, yet because "it's black", they're terrified of it. In addition, aircraft fuel pollution is about 100 times per gallon burned of any vehicle known..... yet no one complains.

 

[185248]

Man made climate change is a myth. The planet has been heating and cooling for 4.5+ billion years.

Yeah just like aerosol cans filled with flurocarbons was fine...till a gaping hole started to appear in the ozone layer. Just as well we cottoned on to that one in time hey. Bet you had your head in the sand about that one too....but you probably weren't around then.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

Yeah just like aerosol cans filled with fluro carbons was fine...till a gaping hole started to appear in the ozone layer. Just as well we cottoned on to that one in time hey.

Yeah. Hairspray caused that.

 

[185248]

Yeah. Hairspray caused that.

If the science was not listened to and they kept using fluorocarbons...we probably would be without an ozone layer...and you know what the Ozone protects us from? They still use fluorocarbons in refrigeration....but you also know how careful they are in needing to capture it during repairs and recycling?

Just a question buzz, do you recycle at all, your plastic, scrap metal, glass and so on?

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

If the science was not listened to and they kept using fluorocarbons...we probably would be without an ozone layer...and you know what the Ozone protects us from? They still use fluorocarbons in refrigeration....but you also know how careful they are in needing to capture it during repairs and recycling?

Just a question buzz, do you recycle at all, your plastic, scrap metal, glass and so on?

To answer your last question, no I do not.

To address your previous statement, again, I'm so very certain the cans of hairspray use by drag queens and my grandmother are the reason your argument exists.

In addition, I do not buy plastics when I can avoid it.

Do you own a refrigerator?

 

[185248]

To answer your last question, no I do not.

To address your previous statement, again, I'm so very certain the cans of hairspray use by drag queens and my grandmother are the reason your argument exists.

In addition, I do not buy plastics when I can avoid it.

Do you own a refrigerator?

No, still use the old ice box . Yeah buzz, we have a fridge. It's unavoidable to not consume plastics. You drink from glass then, ok, but you said you don't recycle. I remember growing up as a kid, we all had paper tins in those days where companies recycled paper.

Well at least some of your waste is recycled buzz...when you flush the toilet it goes to a treatment plant to be recycled...maybe you would be happy to live with raw sewerage? Or go back to the backyard Thunderboxes.

No worries buzz. I don't really think I have anything in common with someone who has no care for the planet they live on with everyone else, even their own little environment. And apparent you would be quite comfortable surrounded by toxic rubbish and oceans full of plastic (but that does not exist either, does it).

Having the mindset to use up everything and leave nothing for anyone else is hazardous to everyone's health.

All the best buzz.

 

[deleted15807]

That's the rub. It's not that aim of less pollution driving coal's death. It's that businesses are out to turn a profit, and natural gas is straight up more profitable. Free market capitalism is killing coal and will continue to do so.

There are debates to be had about natural gas (better than coal, but still a fossil fuel) -vs- renewable energy, but who the fuck tries to bring back goal? That's like investing time and energy in bringing back music CD's.

Coal is dying a natural death. Best thing the government could do is retrain workers, not loosen EPA restrictions on dumping coal slurry into rivers and shit.

Did you say "what the government can do"? Well big government should just get out of the way and let private industry lead. Republicans only pass tax cuts, regulation cutbacks and anti-abortion bills. Oops and big military spending bills benefiting Raytheon, Boeing and Lockheed. If you want more than that you're on your own.

Coal is dying and nothing can stop it and coal miners are wedded to a party that openly dispises them. Killing the Paris Agreement is a unbelievable twofer. They can be anti-regulation while at the same time duping coal miners that they are actually working for them.

 

[b.c.]

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Lol. Who needs hackers when we have our own resident snowden among us?

@Deek - - be afraid! There is now a file on YOU!

Tell me, do you actually work at being ridiculous, or is it something that just comes natural?

First, no one need keep a "file" on anyone or "hack" anything. The "file" as you call it is the posting history of every member here, and available for viewing by others.

Second, I thought he was being facetious in his questioning (considering I've some 10 thousand examples of what ideas and causes I support and oppose), until after I checked his posts an realized he wasn't a regular of the forum. That wasn't an attack or criticism. It was an observation.

THIRD (and you might wanna pay particular attention to this part) one should OWN what they say.

If you don't want people bringing up the s----------- shit you've said (like when YOU once wrote how changing your name to a black sounding one or wearing a YAMAKA might get you an undeserved promotion) then DON'T WRITE S----------- SHIT.

 

[b.c.]

Is it too much to ask that we focus on rebuilding our failing infrastructure, getting the king makers and their money out of politics, and saving the rage for those trying to kill us by blowing up concerts and shooting up night clubs?

Oh??? Is that all there is to "rage" about? Must be nice (in paradise).

 

[b.c.]

It is certainly not a deal for the United States.

The best thing you liberals can do to help America is to keep up the hysterics. You are alienating real Americans more and more every day. This will help us in mid-terms and in 2020. Thanks for your help hysterical liberals!

"REAL Americans." Gotta laugh. Your ilk show your hands EVERY fkng time, DONTCHA.

Why isn't Hillary 50 points ahead you might ask...

Face it liberals, everyone is tired of your shit. Your like a washed up trophy wife who lost her looks and has nothing left but to throw tantrums.

That's "YOU'RE".......

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

The thing is, his reasons for pulling out make No Sense. He says the U.S is getting ripped off.. he's too stupid to see that there are good and valid reasons we 'pay so much more' than other countries.

He's too ignorant to make these kinds of decisions, but the ignorance of the electorate gave him the power to do this. It's 'pathetic', and 'sad' (Chrump classic insults) to say the least.

Also, he works for Us. The American people. Look up how many people in this country DIDN'T want to pull out of this deal...

I just realized the saddest fucking thing about all of this re-reading this post...

It's PROOF of how manipulated his base was (and plenty of Chrumps still are). A lot of the people who voted for this piece of shit wanna-be-president Don't actually want to see their grand-kids die. The ones still cheering him on, I have no sympathy/empathy for because their willfully ignorant, and I can't relate to someone who chooses to be stupid.. but the ones with serious ass buyers remorse, well, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them either... but you get what I'm saying.

 

[TurkeyWithaSunburn]

It is certainly not a deal for the United States.

The best thing you liberals can do to help America is to keep up the hysterics. You are alienating real Americans more and more every day. This will help us in mid-terms and in 2020. Thanks for your help hysterical liberals!

How do you define a "real American"?

 

[b.c.]

That's the rub. It's not that aim of less pollution driving coal's death. It's that businesses are out to turn a profit, and natural gas is straight up more profitable. Free market capitalism is killing coal and will continue to do so.

There are debates to be had about natural gas (better than coal, but still a fossil fuel) -vs- renewable energy, but who the fuck tries to bring back goal? That's like investing time and energy in bringing back music CD's.

Coal is dying a natural death. Best thing the government could do is retrain workers, not loosen EPA restrictions on dumping coal slurry into rivers and shit.

No, it's MORE like trying to bring back the 8-track. "Let's make America wow and flutter again."

 

[185248]

I just realized the saddest fucking thing about all of this re-reading this post...

It's PROOF of how manipulated his base was (and plenty of Chrumps still are). A lot of the people who voted for this piece of shit wanna-be-president Don't actually want to see their grand-kids die. The ones still cheering him on, I have no sympathy/empathy for because their willfully ignorant, and I can't relate to someone who chooses to be stupid.. but the ones with serious ass buyers remorse, well, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them either... but you get what I'm saying.

What I think too Juicy, is that many US citizens put their faith in an aging man who does not have the balls to admit he is going bald.

Tries to cover it up via a huge comb over from the back and sides. It shows vanity and self absorption. If it says anything about anyone, it is the obvious lack of confidence they have in themselves and appearance. He spends more time doing his comb over than on dire political issues facing his nation.

 

[chrisrobin]

and following along the usual over exaggerated claims that have been so prominent in trumps statements it was the idea that withdrawing from the Climate Accord would bring, MILLIONS of jobs to hard working americans.
Bull shit trump , as well you know it.
And hey
look who backed you "deed"
the coal industry (more profit for them)
Industry
inner team with vested interests.
And loom at the facts
Coal is more expensive than renewables, so, prices will remain high - who does that benefit?
Solar energy, wind bower and water power are clean, efficient and better for the planet.
A pox on the house of Trump and all who live there

 

[185248]

and following along the usual over exaggerated claims that have been so prominent in trumps statements it was the idea that withdrawing from the Climate Accord would bring, MILLIONS of jobs to hard working americans.
Bull shit trump , as well you know it.
And hey
look who backed you "deed"
the coal industry (more profit for them)
Industry
inner team with vested interests.
And loom at the facts
Coal is more expensive than renewables, so, prices will remain high - who does that benefit?
Solar energy, wind bower and water power are clean, efficient and better for the planet.
A pox on the house of Trump and all who live there

We face the same issues here with a state government who look like they are going to loan an Indian company ADANI, 900 million dollars to develop a coal project here in Queensland, Australia, which will supply coal to India. Most taxpayers are going...WTF. This is the same company which has billions of dollars hidden in tax havens.

This is an indication of desperate government with a desperate need to find jobs for it's poulation. I feel sorry for governments around the world which have no natural resource to rely upon for jobs or income. This is the way the world is. Like the US, it's Iron Ore resources are near depletion. I wonder where they will source their raw material from when they need steel?

If Australia went back to value adding to our raw product, we would send many countries in our region into recession and civil upheaval. Because of their large populations, it seems keeping peace is becoming a huge cost to us nationally and democratically.

It's why I think we are spending billions of dollars building up our defence. Our population is 25 mill or so, but we have what everyone wants. The writing is on the wall, if we do not sell it, others will want to take it...as in the Middle East.


It is lucky I suppose, because Australia is a friend of the US, because we have the largest Iron Ore deposits in the world. Perhaps we should jack our prices up

No, Donnie has no answers, his father made his fortune from government hand outs.

 

[LittleBuzzSaw]

No, still use the old ice box . Yeah buzz, we have a fridge. It's unavoidable to not consume plastics. You drink from glass then, ok, but you said you don't recycle. I remember growing up as a kid, we all had paper tins in those days where companies recycled paper.

Well at least some of your waste is recycled buzz...when you flush the toilet it goes to a treatment plant to be recycled...maybe you would be happy to live with raw sewerage? Or go back to the backyard Thunderboxes.

No worries buzz. I don't really think I have anything in common with someone who has no care for the planet they live on with everyone else, even their own little environment. And apparent you would be quite comfortable surrounded by toxic rubbish and oceans full of plastic (but that does not exist either, does it).

Having the mindset to use up everything and leave nothing for anyone else is hazardous to everyone's health.

All the best buzz.

Wow....... that's deep.

 

[185248]

Wow....... that's deep.

My fridge does not leak gas though. Myself, well I am prone to the occasional methane leak

The more gas leaked into the world, with industry and population, less forests to absorb the consequence. It has to have an effect on something.

Because when you look at the earth from above.....nothing escapes, but plenty can go into extinction. It's small, a very fragile place, the Dinosaurs found that out the hard way......but they are not real either, are they...I would not have believed huge 4 story animals inhabited the Earth once either.

But, if it were not for their remains cast in stone, that they existed at all...very little remains of their time on this Earth. A few giant lizards and snakes, Crocs and Alligators...

I believe this place is very fragile, we don't look after it, well, we will be extinct too. Not from any Asteroid impact. Just stupidity.

Deep? Not deep enough sometimes.