Parliament of Whores

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HazelGod, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. HazelGod

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    Conventional wisdom tells us that our politicians are largely a group of self-interested, morally bankrupt whores willing to peddle their policymaking power to the highest bidder.

    But this recent display on the Senate floor during a committee session is actually stunning in its blatant presentation of this corruption as a status quo:



    He says flat-out on the record during a session that he wants to delay any decisions for three days so that the medical insurance industry's lobbyists can scrutinize the bill and raise objections.

    Un-fucking-believable.


    (with apologies to P.J. O'Rourke)
     
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    It's crazy to see people in our government try to do whatever they can to please the insurance companies even this late in the game. On a side note, however, I was really looking forward to seeing some dirty whores when I saw this thread topic. Naughty use of innuendo, HG. :biggrin:
     
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    At first I was surprised that the members of Congress haven't padded their staffs with industry "experts" already, until I remembered that most of those positions are filled through nepotism and electoral "thank-yous".
     
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    Anyone should be able to point out weaknesses and oversights in any bill. Those objections - from whatever source - which may have merit can then be considered. Our legislatures were intended to be deliberative bodies, not mere rubber stamps.

    The alternative is to claim that the works of Congress are immaculate as drafted. This is, in general, unlikely. They're a bunch of lawyers - most of them don't know jack shit about anything involving commerce, manufacturing, science, medicine, art, economics, the military, education, or anything else of consequence to the rest of us. So just when are the people who actually know something about any of these topics supposed to weigh in?
     
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    When they are very wealthy and very powerful.
     
  6. HazelGod

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    There's a big distinction between holding an open forum for public commentary on pending legislation and requesting a delay specifically so that lobbyists can review it for objections and talking points.


    When their input is requested by one or more committees during the drafting of the legislation...and by they, I don't mean highly-paid shills whose primary interests lie in protection of the status quo.
     
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    It's more about budget than about nepotism. Congressmen and Senators don't get an unlimited office budget. In fact, for the amount of work that goes through those offices they are hugely underfunded and understaffed. Most Congressional offices would implode if it wasn't for a steady stream of unpaid interns.

    You remember that the administration wanted to push all this socialist non-sense through in a month right? They don't want to give anyone a chance to say they are wrong, ever.


    I think what Hazelgod is trying to say is, that we need to pass legislation through both houses, and to the presidents desk, in just a few seconds so that no one, especially not those who would be able to make a clear determination of what these bills are costing us, would be able to chime in and rain on the Socialists day.

    I would further point out that the integrity in this thread is lacking. It is blatantly obvious that Robert is asking for input on these bills by experts. He knows there is no way that the legislature of the US, which is occupied entirely by lawyers, has any idea what all this health legislation will cost. Further, citing thinkprogress as a credible source is one of the most laughable things I've seen recently. Of course, this video proves how they spin even the best intentions against conservatives.
     
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    I think what you're trying to say is that you don't know HazelGod at all. But given your use of the term Socialism, I'm sure you find lots of complex things confusing.
     
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    With nothing substantive to say, you revert to the lefitst favorite: the personal attack. Boy, you sure showed me how dumb I am. If only I had listened to you this entire time, then I'd understand to complexities of this world. Maybe, one day, I'll be able to look in the face of an agrument that dwarfs me and say, "yeah, but you find lots of things confusing."

    Forum Fail.
     
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    You might be on to something here.

    Conservatives rushed the invasion of Iraq through Congress with even less debate and look what an expensive debacle that turned into.
     
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    Good effort.

    Bush started making the case for war on Iraq in Sept of 2002.
    President's Remarks at the United Nations General Assembly

    After Bush made that speech the debate didn't stop. The administration went in front of Congress, the UN, got together "the coalition of the willing" and gave Saddam lots of time to comply with the demand of the Security Council or face consequences. Of course the Iraq war was not, even at the height of liberal rhetoric, going to change the fundamental way the United States is run. That is something that Obama cannot claim. He is trying to force feed us a system that would change the landscape of America. Further, if you thought Iraq was expensive, you just hold onto hat cause' this universal healthcare thing is going to get pricey.


    Additionally, you acknowledge that rushing this is a bad idea but would never criticize your beloved president for trying to pull a fast one on the American people.
     
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    This reply so filled with classic Bush-bot half-truths and lickspittle it would be funny were the consequences not so costly and tragic to all involved.
     
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    I think there's a Dylan-esque paean waiting to be born here.

    Too bad your socialist, libtard ways will block your reaping of the fortune that would automatically ensue if you were a pro-American capitalist.
     
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    Mea culpa.

    I was indoctrinated by my parents, pastor, and kindergarten teachers who extolled the virtues of sharing.
     
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    Damn socialists.

    I wonder if that counts as a "disability" for which you could rape some upstanding Republican of his hard-earned pre-tax-avoidance dollars, in the form of a government assistance check?
     
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    I sometimes see a bumper sticker that says:

    "I work hard for my money. Millions on welfare depend on me."

    I'd like to see one that says:

    "I work hard for my money. Poorly managed investment banks depend on me."
     
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    Like they did with the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001? :rolleyes:


    Not even close. I can't claim surprise, though, as your body of contribution thus far doesn't indicate that to be one of your strong suits.


    The only disingenuity I see here is in your reply. Roberts did not call for input by experts...he explicitly called for those hired by providers to have extra time. People hired by an industry or interest group to study and influence legislative policy are called lobbyists...and their only expertise lies in currying favors and protections for their clients.


    Now you're just being pathetically petulant. Nowhere did I "cite" thinkprogress as a source for anything. I quoted Senator Roberts' words that came out of his mouth, as seen on CSPAN video coverage of a markup session.
     
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    I always love how socialists see themselves:

    Instead of calling it greed, it's sharing.

    You aren't stealing somebody elses money, you are sharing it.

    You aren't taking it, you are sharing it.

    And sharing, is a virtue (now).
     
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    The PATRIOT Act doesn't prove anything. I'm not sure why you brought it up. Citing bad behavior doesn't justify bad behavior. Liberals still have to have integrity even if they don't think the conservatives do.


    you boys sure get cagey when I start pick apart your nonsense.




    You are making connections that are impossible to make; logically impossible. There is no way you can go from the word "providers" and end up at "lobbyists." What we have here is the power of suggestion and a great case for why we should all be weary of getting our news from extreme-left groups.



    The link you provided:
    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/23/roberts-72-hours-insurance/

    Thinkprogess is a far-far-far-left socialist/communist organization funded by millionaires that want to force their failed agenda. You cited them. They are 10x worse than any mainstream news source.

    They cropped hours of video down to what 1 minute. Out of that one minute they say 2 seconds worth of Sen Robert proves that he was trying to include the special interests. You can tell (liberals wearing blinders can't, though) that this is a small part of a larger conversation. Robert is clearly asking for an opportunity to get cost estimates; something the US congress is incapable of doing. Further, you have no idea who "the providers" are. We have no clue. Of course the idiots on the left think they clearly mean "insurance providers," again drawing their conclusion based on what they want to think. It is obvious to the rest of the world that Robert was talking about "health care providers." These are people that would give estimates on cost (what Robert was talking about in the first place). Thinkprogress cut the definition of that word out so they can force a viewpoint on simple minded viewers. You can deny the obvious, thats fine. Liberalism, at its very core, is denial.

    The good news is, you are in gooood company. Read the comments on your source (the one you didn't cite). GOLDSTEIN GOLDSTEIN! *shaking fist*
     
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    As my father, a staunch Republican, is always quick to point out, there are more millionaires in the Democrat party than the Republican party. If the Democrat bigwigs are trying to steal from the rich and give to the poor, then they're sharing their own money, more so than the Republicans. Can't have it both ways man.

    I don't suppose you've heard of World Net Daily? The same "news" source which is pushing the Obama eligibility claim? The same one that the Republicans are too busy being in bed with to stop the dissolution of their party into rabid idiocy? They're still trying to play political games when the nation has enough crises to deal with. I'd say they're 10x worse than any other source used thus far in this thread.

    By the way, I'll totally buy that a liberal news source was trying to discredit the good Senator by cropping his speech. Mudslingling happens both ways after all. Since you obviously watched the whole video though, maybe you can clear up the matter. To which "providers" was the Senator referring?
     
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