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If the pastor is presenting scripture from the bible about homosexuality or stealing or someone who lies, or adultery, or anything in that vain, is that hate speech?
Dodging the answer again? No worries... didn't expect you to GET it.
Do you mean as the Mormons did?Like telling your parishioners to vote for Proposition 8 and ban same-sex marriage in CA?...
and for the n-th time, read the facts before pontificating about the inconvenience of the First Amendment to some people at the distant end of the political spectrum.
This affair is about an invalidated petition regarding a city ordinance, not a political candidate or party.
I have no problem with churches expressing political opinion or promoting agendas. They've been doing it for years and not only in the USA. All those right-wing TV evangelists have had political agendas. Many churches are active in the anti-abortion movement. The RC Church was always cozy with politicians represent certain ethic groups that composed a large majority of their membership base. Churches were very active and influential in the US civil rights movement and in opposing the Vietnam War.
People getting their knickers in a knot over some churches opposing gay rights seems a bit strange to me. Should churches and pastors that support gay marriage STFU as well?
If they use hate speech then they should be prosecuted of course. But this looks like it could just be an intimidation tactic by some people in the city government and if that's the case then it's an abuse of power.
I agree with everything you wrote. I just don't think churches should be tax-exempt unless they truly operate as a nonprofit institution for the public good.
I agree with everything you wrote. I just don't think churches should be tax-exempt unless they truly operate as a nonprofit institution for the public good.
Do you mean as the Mormons did?
No matter how many times you say it Prop 8 wouldn't have passed even if 100% of the blacks voted for it. It took all those with closed minds to help.
Do you mean as the Mormons did?
No matter how many times you say it Prop 8 wouldn't have passed even if 100% of the blacks voted for it. It took all those with closed minds to help.
...something about black calling pot kettle...
Well unlike you( a so called Democrat who disliked Bush) it took more than a black man running to make me switch parties. I, for one voted against my state's proposition. It passed but then again we aren't the majority(another point you failed to address)...something about black calling pot kettle...
It seems you are missing the point. Lecturing from the Bible is one thing, however using the pulpit or sermon to stump for a political party or candidate is another. No church should get away with that and still hope for tax exemption. In other words...preach what the Bible says about homosexuality(okay) but tell your parishioners that they MUST vote against same sex marriage(not okay)
I grew up in a Baptist church so I can only go by them. Preaching the Scripture is one thing. Telling people in the congregation who to vote for and how to vote is another.OK, but how is telling your congregants ("parishioner" only applies to traditions that have parishes, which a lot of Protestant denominations don't) how to vote on a particular moral issue the same as telling them which candidate or party to support?
Hate speech most certainly IS protected speech under 1st Amendment. That is a result of the Snyder v. Phelps Supreme Court case. That allowed the Westboro Baptist Church to espouse their hate at the funerals of soldiers
Just like Goebbels, right fuzzy?
This affair is about an invalidated petition regarding a city ordinance, not a political candidate or party.
Then why are all of the right-wing blogs claiming that the Mayor had the subpoenas issued?
Fuzzy, I'm talking about your first post in this thread. Sounds remiscent of Goebbels's "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
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You posted that crap already in the gun thread.
Anyway, what Fuzzy said is true: hate speech is not protected. If you go out and scream that Jews need to be eradicated, don't expect to have your "free speech" protected.
Hate speech, obscenity, defamation and other kinds of dangerous speech are illegal.
As for hate speech, visit St. Paul, Minnesota and burn a cross in public. Even your beloved Justice Scalia ruled against such things.