Pat Tillman story deepens yet further....

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    If it involves the Military and alleged criminal activity, while the truth may eventually be 'known', it may never be proven.

    A subtle, but significant difference.
     
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    Again, it saddens me that perhaps only because of Tillman's fame we are hearing about this case. It may be that his fame also contributed to the circumstances of his death, but I suspect that, in this war as in previous ones, personal grudges and momentary flare ups of anger have resulted in murders that have been called "friendly fire" when necessary and enemy inflicted casualties when possible.

    So, this is not new, but it is something that should be addressed. Unfortunately, the current administration with its own memory and vendetta problems is not likely to provide an example or a lead from the top.
     
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    Could you give me your estimate of the percentage of Americans who are oblivious to war fatalities?
     
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    He was such a hunk. So sad.
     
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    double post, delete
     
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    I think the % of Americans who are oblivious to war fatalities is low probably less than 8%. T

    he thing is since the President will not allow cameras to film the flag draped coffins coming into Dover Air Force Base; we hear the numbers but it doesn't seem real. For many people the fatalities and casualties of the war are abstarct because there is no visual reminder of the horror.


    Dirty VideophileHe was such a hunk. So sad.
    DV brings up a good point. Had Pat Tillman not been so handsome his story never would have seen the light of day. :frown1:
     
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    I completely disagree with this statement. Seeing a flag draped coffin is an emotional event (or having had to escort one), but people have become numb to the entire war and really don't care because it doesn't affect them personally. Until people are asked to make greater sacrifices we'll just go on with the attitude of, "That's so sad. But as long as I don't have to make a personal sacrifice, I can accept what's going on."
     
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    Maybe it's me, but isn't that pretty much what NJQT said, that it's abstract/non personal so the impact is less?
     
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    Interesting.
    His attractiveness is only a small factor, if any. The real factor is he was a professional athlete specifically NFL.

    Note to all: "Friendly fire" is a fact of warfare. All solders are aware of it; they accept it as an "occupational hazard". During WW-II friendly fire has been estimated to be as much as 25% of all combat causalities. The percentage has been steadily going down. It's now in the low single digits. Some military experts believe it will never be eliminated. It might now be about as low as possible.

    The military has a "Murphy's Law" which states: "Friendly fire, isn't".
     
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    I see what you are saying and I kind of agree. I'd had about 7 beers when I wrote that last night and wasn't able to quite explain what I was trying to say. NJQT focused on the flag issue, but it's so much bigger than that.

    When news channels cut off key military personnel discussing events in Iraq in mid-sentence to watch Paris Hilton on her way to jail, something is wrong in our society. There are many other similar examples that add up to paint a bigger picture of how "we" care, but not really.

    I hope that clarifies my point.
     
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    Could you clarify for me...:biggrin1:
     
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    It does, after 7 beers doubt I would be able to type my name...:smile:
     
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    That would be 9/10ths but I understand your point. :smile:

    It's true, a tragedy or an injustice seldom becomes 'real' until it touches us personally. I don't think that's necessarily selfishness, for most it's a simple, yet effective defence mechanism, though the end result is similar.
     
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