Paul third among Republican Presidential candidates...

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Here's a pretty fierce take-down on Paul from one of the most principled of a younger generation of Libertarians, Will Wilkinson. It's a fascinating read.
 

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It's a sad commentary on America that most of the truly gifted, professional American's I know are now making serious noises about moving to different countries rather than be dragged down with the ship.

America can't afford to lose it's brains trust because these people do have the resources to move to countries who have the stability and a more enlightened society and those countries will reap the benefit.
 

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Yeah, I hear that crap literally every election cycle, from both sides of the fence. It doesn't even have to be a Presidential election. "If X wins I'm taking all the money out of my bank account and moving to country Y!"

I liken this to the people who show up at a customer service counter in a retail store, can't get their money back for whatever broken bullshit product they bought, and then vow to never return to said store as though that's going to adversely effect the store to such an extent they'll beg the customer to stay and do whatever it takes to appease them. In reality the associate, management, and corporate are collectively shrugging their shoulders and saying "Yeah, we don't give a fuck." They know that the relatively small number of dissatisfied customers who really won't ever return are vastly outweighed by the customers who have to return for lack of other reasonable alternatives.

And for the sake of this comparison we're not talking about, say, Circuit City. We're talking about Cost-Co or Sams Club.


Let the whiny, gifted, "professional Americans" move to so called more stable and enlightened societies (I assume that means Canada or Sweden). We're not going to miss the .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of the population that is suddenly gone after an election goes the way they didn't want it to go. People immigrate here for a reason.





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Sigh..I'm assuming the strident little runt is replying to my post.
Obviously he is too god damned stupid to work out I have him on ignore and awaiting his banning.
 

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This is the biggest batch of crap I've ever read. Spare us your "insights" into the social dynamics of minority communities. On another note, we once had a war on alcohol. When we were arresting white people for drinking, we legalized it, and that worked.


It is less of an insight and more of an observation.
 

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Sigh..I'm assuming the strident little runt is replying to my post.
Obviously he is too god damned stupid to work out I have him on ignore and awaiting his banning.



Seriously Moderators? You outright ban VinylBoy for being a prick. You've warned Horrible for supposedly "racist comments" (He and I disagree on everything and I couldn't figure out what that warning was about) but this guy descends from on high, for a second time, posts an off-topic reply twice, and says another member is a "strident little runt" and "good damned stupid?" And... that's cool?


I don't understand what the rules are and what they aren't. It feels a lot like it's different for different people.



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Art immitating life, then? I see the weather in Bainbridge Island has been rather better than here in the south of England, but I had a good day nonetheless. This is just fantasy.
 
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Art immitating life, then? I see the weather in Bainbridge Island has been rather better than here in the south of England, but I had a good day nonetheless. This is just fantasy.


I don't... really understand what that's in reference to but, yes, the weather this time of year on Bainbridge Island is lovely. It's nearly the perfect temperature outside and the sun comes out more often than it is overcast (like the other 7 months of the year.) Where to find the cheesiest pizza this side of Puget Sound, tonight, at eleven.



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Seriously Moderators? You outright ban VinylBoy for being a prick. You've warned Horrible for supposedly "racist comments" (He and I disagree on everything and I couldn't figure out what that warning was about) but this guy descends from on high, for a second time, posts an off-topic reply twice, and says another member is a "strident little runt" and "good damned stupid?" And... that's cool?


I don't understand what the rules are and what they aren't. It feels a lot like it's different for different people.



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I couldn't see what I was racist about either, but what can you do? Shrugs* whomever reported me, I'm assuming it was Sargon or bbucko or klingsor must be in closer with (a/the) moderator(s) than myself. And, it was most likely a similar scenario with vinylboy.
 

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I couldn't see what I was racist about either, but what can you do? Shrugs* whomever reported me, I'm assuming it was Sargon or bbucko or klingsor must be in closer with (a/the) moderator(s) than myself. And, it was most likely a similar scenario with vinylboy.

My thing is if it's cool to just outright attack people, I'd like to know, so I can take the gloves off. If referring directly to another poster in derogatory pejoratives isn't against the rules, I want to know because there are a handful on my list.

The above mention contributes essentially nothing to this forum but can seemingly do and say whatever he wants. You (like so many other warned/banned posters) contribute multitudes to the discussion but your "racist" comments earn you their wrath. It's almost like they want this part of the forum to be a graveyard.





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My thing is if it's cool to just outright attack people, I'd like to know, so I can take the gloves off. If referring directly to another poster in derogatory pejoratives isn't against the rules, I want to know because there are a handful on my list.

The above mention contributes essentially nothing to this forum but can seemingly do and say whatever he wants. You (like so many other warned/banned posters) contribute multitudes to the discussion but your "racist" comments earn you their wrath. It's almost like they want this part of the forum to be a graveyard.





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You are absolutely right, if there are going to be rules, then they need to apply to EVERYBODY. Personally, I think there is too much restraint put on the members in regards to what is acceptable to post. Not that it should be a free for all, but if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

When I posted the picture, I was not advocating that Michelle Obama was a monkey, I was just pointing out that there was a striking similarity between her and the princess. Not based on color, but facial structure and physical resemblance. I am not a racist person, I am also not so socially reprehensible to not be aware that there are differences between ALL the races. And, I suppose I was being racist by not being blind to those differences. Allegedly.

Vinylboy was a member I held to a high regard. Regardless of our disagreements and personal conflicts. I still would like to see his return to LPSG and the politics forum.

I have been thinking about it a lot recently, and I feel like it may be in my best interests to stay away of the politics forum more than I do now. If people cannot have a discussion without a few running to the mods to report perceived infractions, then what is the point?

If, the rules do not apply to everyone, (above named) then, in essence, there are no rules.

Soon enough, with moderation following the path they are now, the politics forum will be a graveyard.
 

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I couldn't see what I was racist about either, but what can you do? Shrugs* whomever reported me, I'm assuming it was Sargon or bbucko or klingsor must be in closer with (a/the) moderator(s) than myself. And, it was most likely a similar scenario with vinylboy.

I can state with confidence that it wasn't me; point your finger elsewhere.
 

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I can state with confidence that it wasn't me; point your finger elsewhere.


I do not really care who it was, if it seemed as if I was "blaming" anyone, I apologize. I was simply speculating, not "pointing fingers."

It was just a short list I compiled quickly from the top of my head of people with whom I routinely disagree. There are some on that list who seem like the type of individual to take any opportunity to have someone whom they dislike reprimanded for anything and someone took the opportunity to take what I posted in the worst way possible and then to act on it accordingly.

Again, I wasn't "pointing my finger" at anyone in particular.

Specifically that post, I would say it would have most likely been Sargon, or Klingsor IF I was forced to guess.
 

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Seriously Moderators? You outright ban VinylBoy for being a prick. You've warned Horrible for supposedly "racist comments" (He and I disagree on everything and I couldn't figure out what that warning was about) but this guy descends from on high, for a second time, posts an off-topic reply twice, and says another member is a "strident little runt" and "good damned stupid?" And... that's cool?
JSZ

But,

No offense, but the Political Forum is just that- a place where ideologies clash and what can seem like common sense to one person can seem like outright lunacy to another. If you sign up on a site like this one and post in a forum like that one, you should be prepared for a fight.

Certain things should still be out of bounds (racial slurs, threats of any kind etc) but so far as I'm aware he never took it that far. If someone got their wittle feelings hurt by being confronted in a vitriolic fashion? Welcome to discussions of 21st century American Politics.


Rather than ban posters who have ten thousand plus posts, who posts in such a fashion that is well thought out, grammatically correct (a bigger problem than you might imagine) and insightful, maybe make a warning on the Political Forum that says "If you're faint of heart and are expecting a Carebare Hug Fest within- post else where."

I'm sorry, but banning him for "crossing the line" and "keeping things going" in an area where discussion and debate is sacrosanct is counter productive.

I guess the shoe's on the other foot now.
 

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Hey, I'm the one that said the gloves should come off in this part of the forum. I even made a thread about it.

http://www.lpsg.org/260933-political-strife.html

The idea was shouted down every where I brought it up (that thread included.) My demand was for clarification on the rules and I stand behind it. Apparently, it's not okay to attack people with personal remarks (which even in my proposal would be against the rules.) Saying someone is "god damned stupid" isn't debating... that's flaming someone. We weren't debating or arguing a point (she can't even read my posts since she blocked me.)

There's a difference between what VinylBoy was banned for and what happened just there. Arguing passionately and having it get heated is one thing. Going from zero to "strident little runt" and "god damned stupid" is something entirely else.

The shoe is not on the other foot good sir. And just to hammer that point home, I can post here, and the poster who chose to take it to that level, for the moment, cannot.




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Nah, you're a whiny hypocrite who's had the ill-judged audacity to gleefully dance on the very grave of the member your whining got banned.

Congratulations on alienating an entire website.


Hey, I'm the one that said the gloves should come off in this part of the forum. I even made a thread about it.

http://www.lpsg.org/260933-political-strife.html

The idea was shouted down every where I brought it up (that thread included.) My demand was for clarification on the rules and I stand behind it. Apparently, it's not okay to attack people with personal remarks (which even in my proposal would be against the rules.) Saying someone is "god damned stupid" isn't debating... that's flaming someone. We weren't debating or arguing a point (she can't even read my posts since she blocked me.)

There's a difference between what VinylBoy was banned for and what happened just there. Arguing passionately and having it get heated is one thing. Going from zero to "strident little runt" and "god damned stupid" is something entirely else.

The shoe is not on the other foot good sir. And just to hammer that point home, I can post here, and the poster who chose to take it to that level, for the moment, cannot.




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Piss in your own mouth: I seriously can't be bothered.

Nah, you're a whiny hypocrite who's had the ill-judged audacity to gleefully dance on the very grave of the member your whining got banned.

Congratulations on alienating an entire website.


Bbucko, do you have something against JSZ?

SilverTrain, I do not see that at all. He was simply making a point, not gloating.