Pedophilia on LPSG and on the web in general

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  1. marleyisalegend

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    maybe i'm the only one bothered by it, actually i'd rather start off saying i've met some cool, insightful people on this site and enjoy the forums but one thing that bothers me about this site is the undertones of pedophilia that sometimes pop up in some threads. i think adult sexuality and pedophilia shouldn't coexist and certainly shouldn't be permitted to be promoted on the site. i understand some people post relevant questions about explaining reproductive organs to their children, but if you read other threads it seems to blatantly fall in line with fantasies about children's sexuality (which should not exist, child+sex=problems). anyway here's an interesting article i saw posted on pedophilia and its presence on the web.




    Is pedophilia a disease? A good number of internet bloggers seem to reject this idea. The scientific evidence says otherwise. Pedophilia is both a disease and a criminal behavior according to experts. Pedophilia is recognized as a disease by the World Health Organization and Psychiatric Associations worldwide. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) defines pedophilia as a mental disorder (paraphilia) and a criminal behavior. A recent APA statement (2003) clarifies the diagnostic criteria. We can disagree with this view but mental health professionals work within this framework. For details see APA statement [Note 1]

    The actual prevalence of pedophilia is unknown “because few pedophiles voluntarily seek treatment and because most of the available data are based on individuals who have become involved with the legal system. It is unknown how many individuals have pedophilic fantasies and never act on them or who do act but are never caught” [Note 2] Similar cases of pedophilia are expected among us.

    How we -as a public forum- protect potential victims? Demonizing pedophiles is just an initial emotional response -understandable in cases like this- but hardly effective in the long term [Note 3] What can we do in order to protect victims and avoid the sexualization of children?

    Pedophiles are savvy Internet users. Are we providing, in some degree, windows of opportunity for pedophiles? One of many strategies some pedophiles use is to post stories involving children or childhood memories (“How old were you when you first had sex?” etc) Those threads are not uncommon at and in some cases are the perfect strategy for networking among pedophiles (via PMs or others). Are threads like this a risk in itself?? Ideas don’t kill people, but what about facilitation of potential networks behind the scene?


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    Note 1:

    AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION (APA) STATEMENT
    DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR PEDOPHILIA

    June 17, 2003

    Pedophilia, included in the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) since 1968, continues to be classified as a mental disorder. The DSM is the standard classification of mental disorders used by mental health professionals and provides clear, objective descriptions of mental illnesses, based upon scientific research. Pedophilia is categorized in the DSM-IV-TR as one of several paraphilic mental disorders.

    The essential features of a Paraphilia are recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors that generally involve nonhuman subjects, children, or other nonconsenting adults, or the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one’s partner.

    An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act and this is never considered normal or socially acceptable behavior. The American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,
    Fourth Edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) criteria for Pedophilia (302.2) are:
    A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual
    urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children
    (generally age 13 years or younger);
    B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked
    distress or interpersonal difficulty;
    C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in
    Criterion A.
    Pedophilia generally is treated with cognitive-behavioral therapy. The therapy may be prescribed
    alone or in combination with medication. Some examples of medications which have been used
    include anti-androgens and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Relapse prevention is
    also emphasized. However, the outlook for successful treatment and rehabilitation of individuals with Pedophilia is guarded.



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    Note 2: Ryan C.W. Hall, MD and Richard C.W. Hall, MD, PA. A Profile of Pedophilia:
    Definition, Characteristics of Offenders, Recidivism, Treatment Outcomes, and Forensic Issues. Mayo Clin Proc. 2007;82(4):457-471
    http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com...204/8204sa.pdf

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    Note 3: The New York Times Magazine published two excellent articles on pedophilia exploring the factors influencing pedophilia and social responses including witch hunt and demonization.

    The Making of a Molester
    New York Times Magazine
    Daniel Bergner
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/23/ma...=all&position=

    How do you Cure a Sex Addict?
    New York Times Magazine
    Lauren Slater
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all
     
  2. B_enriquebukkake

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    I think the hannah montana thing was bad but not pedo status, there is a thing called "young and hung" that i havent look at but seems like it might have some illegal content.
     
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    I've seen your replies to several threads on LPSG. I think that you are a little obsessive on this topic.
     
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    What about in porn in general? I'm glad to know the MILF status is considered hot these days because the barely legals are getting on my nerves?
     
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    don't forget us DILF'S.
     
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    But of course! DILFs how could i forget!
     
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    would you say i'm obsessive about every topic i post about?? i visit the forums a lot and frequently post in many topics, why are you focusing only on one category?? are you trying to incriminate me?? until i realized the levity of the situation i used to post insulting or smart-aleck remarks on threads that hinted at pedophilia, i've certainly been more active in just about every other thread i post in so your comment is completely irrelevant. in fact maybe if more people would speak up against this kind of disgusting it wouldn't be so well tolerated on this site. you have me trying to bring attention to it, and then you have people who are trading stories about sibling's genetilia and sexual activity with minors, don't try to put me in the other group, it'd be an insult to my character.
     
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    marley... I'm all for the anti-pedophilia action here... and love your cut/paste action...

    but...

    since there is no excuse for it... and I call ppl out here for FAR less inappropriateness...

    let us know WHOM, WHAT , WHERE, WHEN and HOW.... if you are that passionate about it... after all it's only a message board... don't just call out the board with a broad brush...
     
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    buckle up, it's gonna be a bumpy ride...
     
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    Not to mention us TILFs, as well... :wink:
     
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    I dunno, I've seen a couple of threads that i think are over the line if not too close to the bone. I just stay away from them.

    Childhood experiences are one thing but experiences of children is quite another and not acceptable.

    Kids (under 18s) even log on as new members from time to time but I am pleased to say those that have are usually picked out quick and banned.
     
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    has not marley, thought that some of us can have been from children victims of abuses and who here reading histories similar to the proper ones or eventually also worse, doesn't feel him encouraged?

    here more than to decoy someone, thing impossible sight the greatest age of all the memberses there is if the sharing of more pleasant histories also had by little boys or children...don't alarm too much you...the pedofilis don't come here...if they visit chat of children unfortunately...
     
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    i used to report the posts when i could thinking it would be taken care of immediately, the reason i posted this is because sometimes when i hit the "new posts" tab i see that there is still activitiy going on in threads about minors so i thought doing this post might bring a bit more attention to the fact. i happen to be one of the MILLIONS of children who grew up abused(and certainly not the only one on this site) so call it a personal vendetta but i'd rather not log onto a site about my adult sexuality and be reminded of the criminal sexuality i was subjected to
     
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    Marley, you should hook up with njqt466. She seems to share some STRONG opinions on LPSG topics. I have been subjected to one or two. You might have a thing or two in common. Your views are respected & appreciated.

    njqt466
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    I think that pedophilia is a parental and parental guardian concern.

    There are pedophiles out there. It is up to parents/ parental guardians to watch out for their children. Parents really should read up on pedophiles and their modes. Not for inspiring hype hysterics, and lynch mob tactics but to protect their kids from harm. Parents have to monitor their child's internet usage. If there are kids going on LPSG, the parents or parental guardians are not doing their job in protecting their kids.

    I don't know about why certain men and women are pedophiles. But you know that they like kids and teens sexually. So, a parent/guardian has to watch their kids.
     
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    There will always be things that remind you of your past. Trust me, I know how you feel. But those men and women will always be out there. I don't like talking or reading about acts of racism. Acts of criminal intolerance towards another. Acts of extreme homophobia violence. Acts of hatred. And then squash it all out like it doesn't exist. It does.



     
  17. D_one and done

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    i understand what you mean marley i've noticed that as well. most threads like "how old were you when blah blah blah" tend to turn in that direction.

    not to mention that i've had a couple underage people proposition me on this site. i guess they think that since i'm "only" ---- year(s) older than them that i won't care. i waited till i was 18 to do participate on sites like this and they should too. *report their azzes*
     
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    I don't think pedophiles would feel very welcome on this site. There aren't any children on here, so their fetish, sickness, or whatever you want to call it is not here. And I don't think the moderators would allow any topics that crossed the line of decency.

    As far as the internet in general goes, pedophiles do well in chat rooms. Have you ever watched Dateline when they do their "Catch a Predator" episodes? Adults pretend they're children and get into chats with pedophiles. The pedophiles will talk dirty and sometimes send porn to the person who they think is a minor. They will also set up a date to meet the person, only to be met by Chris Hanson, a camera crew, and some police officers.

    What I have noticed on this site is quite a few people will mention that they were molested when they were a child, but they don't say it was a bad thing. They kind of act like it was nothing or almost "normal". I read a post recently and a man said he was forced to perform oral sex and swallow cum when he was 11. He acted like it was nothing, and nobody in the posts following his said anything about it.

    And there are posts about dads and sons masturbating together, which isn't really pedophilia unless the son was a boy at the time. We should in no way normalize sexual relations between children and adults.




     
  19. Phil Ayesho

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    Can you be more specific about the type of threads that concern you?

    I think the confessional nature of many posts revealing personal histories of childhood sexual experience... and how common they are... are actually helpful to people who may be dealing with their own experiences and afraid that they are alone, or their experiences/feelings unique.

    The issue of discussing childhood molestation is very delicate ground on which to tread.

    I think US culture is overly puritanical and tends to live in a fantasy land where children are sexually neutered and innocent... which, as much of what has been posted here clearly shows, is not the truth of the case.


    As a "victim" of "quasi-molestation" myself... and knowing others in the same boat... I can tell you that the biggest secret about childhood molestation is how often the child is a willing participant.

    We don't talk about that in our culture because it violates this myth we have that children are innocents...
    Few men are willing to admit that, as a boy, they rode their bicycles 2 miles every week to be with the priest that was molesting them.

    For most children who willingly went to their molesters... there was no 'threats' to keep it secret... you simply didn't tell because you didn't want anyone to know... and, maybe a little, because you didn't want it to stop.

    Attention FEELS good. Sexual stimulation feels good. Children raised to think sex is bad or naughty are ill prepared to find out that they have been lied to.


    But I will tell you that, in these cases of children's sexual curiosity playing a role, I think the myth often does more psychological damage to children than the molestation.

    When the message from society and mental health professionals is that the child is purely a victim... and the molestor is a "sick monster for enjoying such things...." that perspective backfires when the child, in his secret heart of hearts, knows full well that it felt good... that it was pleasurable, and that he went back for more.


    The message this sends the child is that, deep down, they are also a sick monster... a horrific secret that they keep locked away....

    sure, they play up the role of victim when its discovered... . but that is partly because there is no other acceptable role to play.

    The child grows up with this secret gnawing deep inside... that they are a secret monster because they took pleasure in the experience.

    This sets them up for the kind of self loathing that is likely to erupt in the form of becoming the sexual predator they have secretly feared they are. ...Of perpetuating the cycle of child molestation. ( nearly ALL molesters were molested as children)

    We ought to be able to talk about it openly.

    I think throwing 19 year old men in jail because a 14 year old girl is sexually precocious, and fully sexually mature, is the real crime.
    I believe we should raise our daughters to be responsible for their sexuality.

    I believe we should stop pretending that little boys and girls playing doctor are not experimenting with their sexuality... and recognize that children are still sexual beings... living in a world full of sexual imagery and information.

    And that we need to come up with a better way than knee-jerk puritanism to deal with the fact that some children will experiment with sex... and that they need to own up to their own actions.


    Two things kept my own molestation experience from screwing me up.
    One was the sheer luck that it was older teens molesting me... and not some figure of fatherly authority... which can really mess up your head.


    And the other was that, early on, I accepted my own responsibility in what happened.. and that freed me to simply realize that I was a stupid kid...
    that stimulation of your sex organs simply feels good... and I didn't know any better...


    But I will say that the primary reason I didn't know any better than to get involved... was because my Christian extremist society never explained any of it to me.

    That my Christian extremist society made sex into such a taboo... such a forbidden topic, that I became a willing colluder in keeping my own molestation secret... for fear of what my christian community would think of me.


    When the "Drugs are bad" message was being spread at my Sons' grade school...
    I took them aside and explained to them that they were being lied to...

    I told them that drugs were GOOD... they made you feel fantastic... happy, blissful... energetic... and that THAT was why they were dangerous...

    My sons never got into drugs...

    By the same token;

    We need to stop lying to our children about their genitals and stop flying into hysterics over sex.

    Only when sex is no big deal...when children not being involved in sex is no different, and no more intense a topic than children not voting.... only then will our children be willing to tell us when Uncle creepy touches them inappropriately.
     
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    I Think A Lot Of People Have Very Vivid Imaginations That Write Some Of This Stuff....
     
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