Pelosi Plans Formal Impeachment Inquiry Of Trump

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Finally we are here. She had little choice.

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to announce on Tuesday that the House will begin a formal impeachment inquiry of President Trump, Democrats close to her said, taking decisive action in response to startling allegations that the president sought to enlist a foreign power for his own political gain.

After months of caution, Ms. Pelosi has become convinced that Mr. Trump’s reported actions, and his administration’s refusal to share details about the matter with Congress, left the House no alternative but to move forward with an inquiry that has the potential to reshape his presidency and cleave an already divided nation just a year before he plans to stand for re-election. The people close to her confirmed her plans on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose a decision that could still change.​

“I think it’s ridiculous,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “It’s a witch hunt. I’m leading in the polls. They have no idea how they stop me. The only way they can try is through impeachment. This has never happened to a president before.”

Six sentences: six lies. Is that a record?
1) It's not ridiculous. it's very serious
2) Witches are not involved
3) He's losing in the polls
4) They know how to 'stop' him
5) There are at least two other ways to get rid of him, not counting 2020 election; 25th amendment , forced resignation
6) It happened to three other presidents
 
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A select committee headed by Adam Schiff is the right way to go.

Rep. Adam Schiff has assumed control of what appears to be the single-most consequential scandal facing Donald Trump’s presidency — and, for the moment, is driving a narrative that could lead to Trump’s impeachment.

It was Schiff’s late-night Friday press release earlier this month that first revealed that a whistleblower had filed an “urgent” and credible complaint against someone in the executive branch. It was Schiff who issued a subpoena and secured testimony from the intelligence community’s top watchdog, who confirmed he had been blocked from providing details to Congress, in apparent violation of the law.​

 

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Finally we are here. She had little choice.

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to announce on Tuesday that the House will begin a formal impeachment inquiry of President Trump, Democrats close to her said, taking decisive action in response to startling allegations that the president sought to enlist a foreign power for his own political gain.

After months of caution, Ms. Pelosi has become convinced that Mr. Trump’s reported actions, and his administration’s refusal to share details about the matter with Congress, left the House no alternative but to move forward with an inquiry that has the potential to reshape his presidency and cleave an already divided nation just a year before he plans to stand for re-election. The people close to her confirmed her plans on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose a decision that could still change.​

“I think it’s ridiculous,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “It’s a witch hunt. I’m leading in the polls. They have no idea how they stop me. The only way they can try is through impeachment. This has never happened to a president before.”

Six sentences: six lies. Is that a record?
1) It's not ridiculous. it's very serious
2) Witches are not involved
3) He's losing in the polls
4) They know how to 'stop' him
5) There are at least two other ways to get rid of him, not counting 2020 election; 25th amendment , forced resignation
6) It happened to three other presidents
I guess the Trumpublicans are so mentally deficient (like their orange oaf of a leader) that they don't recall the constant calls for Obama's impeachment.

A Brief History of GOP Calls for Obama's Impeachment, From Benghazi to Bergdahl
GOP lawyer drafts Obama impeachment
Efforts to impeach Barack Obama - Wikipedia"pushing_his_agenda"
 

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Finally we are here. She had little choice.

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to announce on Tuesday that the House will begin a formal impeachment inquiry of President Trump, Democrats close to her said, taking decisive action in response to startling allegations that the president sought to enlist a foreign power for his own political gain.

After months of caution, Ms. Pelosi has become convinced that Mr. Trump’s reported actions, and his administration’s refusal to share details about the matter with Congress, left the House no alternative but to move forward with an inquiry that has the potential to reshape his presidency and cleave an already divided nation just a year before he plans to stand for re-election. The people close to her confirmed her plans on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose a decision that could still change.​


We"ll see, Sargon. Lost a helluva lot of faith in Pelosi. I won't be holding my breath.

 
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We"ll see, Sargon. Lost a helluva lot of faith in Pelosi. I won't be holding my breath.

She always had to think of her most vulnerable members. The Mueller Report landed with a big thud as he himself wasn't the charismatic person needed to relay the seriousness of the allegations. Now we have something that might wake the fucking country up.


THE BIG IDEA: Several House Democrats facing tough reelection fights next year in districts that Donald Trump carried in 2016 are expressing openness to impeachment for the first time, a major tipping point that reflects their palpable outrage over the president’s purported conduct toward Ukraine and will intensify pressure on their colleagues who hold safer seats to follow suit.

A dozen House Democrats just pivoted toward impeaching Trump. Here’s why each is a big deal.
 

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A select committee headed by Adam Schiff is the right way to go.

Rep. Adam Schiff has assumed control of what appears to be the single-most consequential scandal facing Donald Trump’s presidency — and, for the moment, is driving a narrative that could lead to Trump’s impeachment.

It was Schiff’s late-night Friday press release earlier this month that first revealed that a whistleblower had filed an “urgent” and credible complaint against someone in the executive branch. It was Schiff who issued a subpoena and secured testimony from the intelligence community’s top watchdog, who confirmed he had been blocked from providing details to Congress, in apparent violation of the law.​

I believe Adam Schiff is the best representative in the House to chair this committee. I believe that Adam more than anyone else that I know can lead this in such a way that the American people will support the impeachment proceedings.

These committee proceedings must convince Republican senators that Trump needs to be removed from office. Having Adam Schiff lead this committee is a very wise choice as I believe he has the ability to get Republicans on board. Without Republican support, it will be exceedingly difficult to remo
During a recent “Ask me Anything” session on Reddit, Tony Schwartz, who was Donald Trump’s ghostwriter for “The Art of the Deal,” issued a similar warning:
I believe deeply that most people are better than their worst behaviors…. I also believe there are some who are simply irredeemable and evil. Scott Peck called them “People of the Lie.” They lack any conscience, as Trump does, and so they’re almost purely evil. Trump is the most purely evil human being I’ve ever met, and also the most insecure.
Why is there such a deep reluctance on so many people’s part —including the leaders of the Democratic Party — to label Donald Trump as evil? How do Donald Trump and his movement reflect deeper problems about the use and abuse of history in America? How strongly do Donald Trump’s concentration camps for nonwhite migrants and refugees echo the evil deeds of the Nazis?
Why is there such a deep reluctance on so many people’s part —including the leaders of the Democratic Party — to label Donald Trump as evil? How do Donald Trump and his movement reflect deeper problems about the use and abuse of history in America? How strongly do Donald Trump’s concentration camps for nonwhite migrants and refugees echo the evil deeds of the Nazis?
In an effort to answer these questions I recently spoke with Susan Neiman, a former philosophy professor at Yale and Tel Aviv universities and now director of the Einstein Forum in Potsdam, Germany.
Neiman is the author of several books, including “Evil in Modern Thought: An Alternative History of Philosophy.” Her new book is “Learning From the Germans: Race and the Memory of Evil.”
his conversation has been edited for clarity and length.
Donald Trump and his regime can be reasonably described as evil. The evidence is obvious and overwhelming. Of course, the mainstream American news media will not use that language. Why are they so afraid of those terms?
Donald Trump meets every single criterion for using the word evil — and he keeps meeting it every day. Evil is a word that should be used with caution. I believe that many people, particularly a certain type of liberal centrist, were put off by the way in which George W. Bush was described as being evil. I also argue that Bush is evil and I explored this in my book “Moral Clarity.” Unfortunately, the description of “evil” has been so overused that many people just believe that it is a type of name-calling.

Philosopher and Holocaust expert who literally wrote the book on evil: Trump fits the profile – Alternet.org

Note: I did some quotes from the article. They are in " " When reading the pronoun I is sometimes the author of this article. There are some comments from me and I use the pronoun I.

Elizabeth Preza, considered by some to be a philosopher and an expert on the holocaust who in this article compares Hitler and the Nazis to Donald Trump. Her first paragraph lays out her beliefs concerning Donald Trump

"I believe deeply that most people are better than their worst behaviors…. I also believe there are some who are simply irredeemable and evil. Scott Peck called them “People of the Lie.” They lack any conscience, as Trump does, and so they’re almost purely evil. Trump is the most purely evil human being I’ve ever met, and also the most insecure."

This author's article is giving evidence that, "Trump is the most purely evil human being I've ever met and also the most insecure." This is a very harsh assessment of Donald Trump and is an assessment that I agree.

The author's first question needs answers.

Why is there such a deep reluctance on the leaders of the Democratic Party to label Donald Trump as evil?
How do Donald Trump and his movement reflect deeper problems about the use and abuse of history in America?
How strongly do Donald Trump’s concentration camps for nonwhite migrants and refugees echo the evil deeds of the Nazis?

I'm listing a few phrases and sentences from the article.

"Donald Trump meets every single criterion for using the word evil — and he keeps meeting it every day.

"The cruelty, the violence, the greed, the selfishness, the racism, the sexism, the nativism, the bigotry, the destruction, the lying, the assault on reality, the contempt for human dignity and civil rights, rejection of the rule of law and democracy, the summoning and mainstreaming of chaos and nihilism and a panoply of other social pathologies are more than the absence of good. They are evil.

"I believe deeply that most people are better than their worst behaviors…. I also believe there are some who are simply irredeemable and evil. Scott Peck called them “People of the Lie.” They lack any conscience, as Trump does, and so they’re almost purely evil. Trump is the most purely evil human being I’ve ever met, and also the most insecure."

This is Freddie talking!

Without a doubt this is the harshest opinion of Donald Trump I have ever read. This article's purpose was to define Trump and to explain how evil Trump is. The author did that. However, if I were In a formal debate, I would find more sources that gave more reasons and more examples of Trump's behavior to have enough evidence that Donald Trump is evil with no conscience so I would be certain to win a debate that Donald Trump is most evil leader in American history.

Furthermore, there is evidence that indicates that Trump would do as much evil as some horrible leaders have done in the past if Trump had the chance and he needed to do great evil so he could achieve his sinister goals at any specific point in time.
It was chilling to say the least when I read this article that indicates that the US might have a president who might be as evil as Hitler. If so, would Trump do as much evil as Hitler did if Trump got the chance?

The Democrats must come together and once the primaries are over, get behind whoever is the nominee. I'm not sure that the American democracy could survive another four years of Trump. It is imperative that we defeat Trump in 2020 so we never have to find out!e Trump from office.

I wrote my comments before I learned that Ms. Pelosi has officially began the formal impeachment proceedings.
 

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Here’s the damning timeline of Trump’s blatantly corrupt Ukrainian collusion – Alternet.org

Speaker Nancy Pelosi finally announced that the House of Representatives will begin an “official impeachment inquiry” on Tuesday by specifically citing another impeachable incident entirely.

Trump now finds himself neck-deep in a scandal about his efforts to encourage Ukraine to go after former Vice President Joe Biden; specifically, the president and his team have been urging for an investigation.

But much worse than promoting a conspiracy theory, Trump and his allies have pushed for Ukraine to conduct a formal investigation of Biden’s son and, whether explicitly or by corollary and implication, the former vice president himself. This appears to be a blatant abuse of his authority, using the power of the presidency to induce a foreign country into investigating a political opponent.

This scand//www.alternet.org/2019/09/heres-the-damning-timeline-of-trumps-blatantly-corrupt-ukrainian-collusion/

The following is a time line of events The information has been abridged. The full article is the link provided.

March 2019 — Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko of Ukraine decides to reopen an investigation into Burisma, an oil company where former Vice President Joe Biden’s son served as a member of the board. ... an effort to “curry favor from the Trump administration for his boss and ally, the incumbent president, Petro O. Poroshenko.”

April 21, 2019 — Poroshenko loses his re-election bid to comedian Volodymyr Zelensky.

May 1, 2019 — The New York Times reports on the Trump team’s efforts to induce Ukraine to go after the Biden family: Giuliani, Trump's attorney gets involved. Mr. Giuliani’s involvement raises questions about whether Mr. Trump is endorsing an effort to push a foreign government to proceed with a case that could hurt a political opponent at home.

Mr. Giuliani has discussed the Burisma investigation concerning the Bidens with the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor general and the current prosecutor. There were multiple meetings during the year

The current prosecutor general later told associates that, during one
of the meetings, Mr. Giuliani called Mr. Trump excitedly to brief him on his findings..

Mr. Giuliani declined to comment on any such phone call with Mr. Trump, but acknowledged that he has discussed the matter with the president on multiple occasions.

Mr. Trump, in turn, recently suggested he would like Attorney General William P. Barr to look into the material gathered by the Ukrainian prosecutors — echoing repeated calls from Mr. Giuliani for the Justice Department to investigate the Bidens’ Ukrainian work.

May 2, 2019 — Trump retweets a link to the New York Times article about the Biden case and Giuliani’s efforts to press for the investigation.

May 7, 2019 — Bloomberg reported that the supposed conflict of interest case against Biden makes little sense. The case against Burisma, the company whose board his son served on, had been “dormant” long before the vice president got involved in advocating the prosecutor’s dismissal.

May 9, 2019 — Giuliani told the New York Times that he will go to Kiev to meet with then-President-elect Volodymyr Zelensky to insist that he pursue “two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump” — one of which was the Biden investigation. “We’re not meddling in an election, we’re meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do,” Giuliani said.

May 10, 2019 — Trump said it would be perfectly appropriate for him to talk to Attorney General Bill Barr about prosecuting Joe Biden.

May 11, 2019 — Trump retweets former Gov. Mike Huckabee’s call for the Senate Intelligence Committee chair to investigate “Biden’s cushy deals w/ Ukraine & China while VP.”
May 11, 2019 — Separately, Serhiy Leshchenko, a Zelensky adviser, argued that Lutsenko had misled Giuliani about the Burisma case. The Associated Press reported:

Leshchenko said Lutsenko “came up with the story” that the former vice president had pressured Ukraine to close the case involving the gas company, while it was Lutsenko himself who had closed the case more than two years ago.

He re-opened the case this spring in the midst of Ukraine’s presidential campaign in what was seen as an effort to win Trump administration support for Poroshenko.

May 16, 2019 — Bloomberg reported that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General Lutsenko said he had seen “no evidence of wrongdoing by U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden or his son.”

June 12, 2019 — Trump tells ABC News he’d welcome foreign help in the 2020 election if offered. “It’s not an interference, they have information — I think I’d take it,” Trump said. “If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go I’d go maybe to the FBI — if I thought there was something wrong.”

Around July 18, 2019 — According to the Washington Post, Trump directed his acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to delay Congress’s allocation of $400 million of military funds for Ukraine. It said this request was made “at least a week” before Trump’s July 25 phone call with Zelensky, noted below. The report also said that officials were told to tell Congress the stalling was because of an “interagency process,” rather than a direct request from the president.

July 22, 2019 — BuzzFeed News publishes an investigative article revealing that two GOP operatives with ties to Trump, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, “gathered repeatedly with top officials in Ukraine and set up meetings for Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani as they turned up information that could be weaponized in the 2020 presidential race.”

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PART TWO - Timeline

July 25, 2019 — Trump speaks with Zelenksy on the phone. The White House description of the call is brief, saying Trump congratulated the president on his recent victory. Ukraine said Trump was “convinced that the new Ukrainian government will be able to quickly improve image of Ukraine, complete investigation of corruption cases, which inhibited the interaction between Ukraine and the USA,” according to the Associated Press.

Later, the Wall Street Journal reported that on the phone call, Trump encouraged Zelensky to have Biden’s son investigated “about eight times” and to work with Giuliani.
Trump also later said of the call: The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, was largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place, was largely the fact that we don’t want our people like Vice President Joe Biden and his son creating to the corruption already in Ukraine.

Aug. 12, 2019 — A whistleblower complaint goes to the intelligence community inspector general, which then determines the allegations are “credible” and of “urgent concern.”

Reports later find that the complaint refers to a “promise” Trump made to a foreign leader.

Aug. 21, 2019 -- Giuliani had “spoken on the phone and held an in-person meeting, in Madrid, with a top representative of the new Ukrainian president, encouraging his government to ramp up investigations into two matters of intense interest to Mr. Trump” — including the Biden case.

Giuliani claimed that he was acting as “a private citizen” but also that he was working “with the knowledge and assistance of the State Department.” He claimed he didn’t know if Trump “approved” of or was “aware of” his efforts.

Aug. 28, 2019 — Politico reveals that the aid to Ukraine has been delayed by the Trump administration, triggering bipartisan concern in Congress.

Sept. 5, 2019 — The Washington Post editorial board reports a reliable source claimed that by withholding aid from Ukraine, Trump “is attempting to force [Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky] to intervene in the 2020 U.S. presidential election by launching an investigation of the leading Democratic candidate, Joe Biden.

Mr. Trump is not just soliciting Ukraine’s help with his presidential campaign; he is using U.S. military aid the country desperately needs in an attempt to extort it.”

Sept. 9, 2019 — The House of Representatives announces a “wide-ranging investigation into reported efforts by Trump, his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and possibly others to pressure Ukraine to help the President’s reelection campaign.”

Sept. 12, 2019 — The Trump administration, under pressure from Congress, releases the $250 million in aid to Ukraine, along with an additional $142 million from the State Department.

Sept. 13, 2019 — House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-NY) demands that Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire turn over the whistleblower complaint to Congress, in accordance with the law.

Maguire refuses after having consulted with the Justice Department. Schiff issues a subpoena for the materials.

Sept. 15, 2019 — Schiff goes public about the Trump administration withholding the whistleblower complaint.

Sept. 19, 2019 — Giuliani, speaking about the controversy on CNN, contradicts himself, saying both that he had asked Ukrainian officials to investigate Biden and that he hadn’t.

Sept. 23, 2019 — Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) reveals that Ukrainian officials told him in “early September” that Zelensky’s administration was concerned Trump was cutting off aid as “a consequence for their unwillingness, at the time, to investigate the Bidens.”

Sept. 24, 2019 — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced an “official impeachment inquiry” into Trump’s conduct, saying: “This week, the president has admitted to asking the president of Ukraine to take actions that would benefit him politically. The actions of the Trump presidency reveal the dishonorable fact of the president’s betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal o of our national security, and betrayal of the integrity of our elections.”

frohttps://www.alternet.org/2019/09/heres-the-damning-timeline-of-trumps-blatantly-corrupt-ukrainian-collusion/

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Does anyone seriously believe Trump will be successfully terminated?

All they can hope for is to drag out the process until the next election and hope it damages Trump enough to defeat him.
 

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Does anyone seriously believe Trump will be successfully terminated?


All they can hope for is to drag out the process until the next election and hope it damages Trump enough to defeat him.

Lol. Exactly. Im Canadian and when i see this on the TV i think, 'they know this is part of the show don't they??...'
 
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Does anyone seriously believe Trump will be successfully terminated?

All they can hope for is to drag out the process until the next election and hope it damages Trump enough to defeat him.

Yes it's highly unlikely Moscow Mitch and his band of Senate Republicans will never ever cross Trump and/or be disloyal to the party unless republican public sentiment changes dramatically. Party over country all the time.

The man who predicted Trump's victory says Democrats may have to impeach him to have a chance in 2020 - CNNPolitics

Lichtman, a professor at American University in Washington, DC, was the most prominent voice predicting Donald Trump's victory in the run-up to the 2016 election. When Trump won, it marked the 9th(!) straight presidential election where Lichtman had correctly predicted the Electoral College winner. (That's all the way back to 1984, for you math wizards.)

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"Democrats are fundamentally wrong about the politics of impeachment and their prospects for victory in 2020. An impeachment and subsequent trial would cost the president a crucial fourth key -- the scandal key -- just as it cost Democrats that key in 2000. The indictment and trial would also expose him to dropping another key by encouraging a serious challenge to his re-nomination. Other potential negative keys include the emergence of a charismatic Democratic challenger, a significant third-party challenge, a foreign policy disaster, or an election-year recession. Without impeachment, however, Democratic prospects are grim."
 
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This will backfire on the democrats. They think this will rile up their base. By doing this, they will have to publicly state their support for impeachment which will cause them to lose voters. Trump will win in 2020.
 
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The Senate and GOP will never go through regardless of any evidence we know that. They have been complicit in all of his ethical, moral, and legally questionable policies and practices from the beginning.

Mitch wont even bring bipartisan bills to the floor to vote on if he doesn't get a kiss on the cheek and explicit approval from trump that he will sign it.

Pelosi was right in her approach to be cautious knowing the facts that the GOP will pander to the base and trump and not hold him and the administration accountable. They haven't been doing that the entire time he has been in office. They act like they work for trump rather than a separate branch and a check and balance.

That just needs to be communicated effectively and often to keep expectations correct by the public. They are doing what they are supposed to do as a check and balance. But, the GOP is trumps arm they will not participate and the people if they want to have checks and balance back need to vote that way in 2020. That's the only message Democrats should constantly be pushing.

Because trump and his supports will do the usual witch hunt bullshit. When they know damn well if Obama had called a foreign country and "asked" that they investigate Mc Cain another political opponent they would have a fucking fit.
 
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This will backfire on the democrats. They think this will rile up their base. By doing this, they will have to publicly state their support for impeachment which will cause them to lose voters. Trump will win in 2020.

None of your equations make an ounce of sense. You awoke from your hibernation too soon.
 
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When they know damn well if Obama had called a foreignQ country and "asked" that they investigate Mc Cain another political opponent they would have a fucking fit.

Don’t forget the kicker! He withheld US government funds as a bribe.
 
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