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I do like writing, but thats not why I responded. The defense is not of my penis. I was called a liar and am defending myself from that. You'll notice that no claim could be made of my size without photographic evidence of my measured penis by the same person who then quoted what he believed my size to be without any photographic evidence. He also made claims about 9 inches which has nothing to do with what I said, all you could possibly glean from my original comment, in which I doubted the validity of the measurements represented, is that I was more than 8.26 inches by my own account.

There is only one person in this world that has an accurate measurement of my individual penis and that is me. To tell me that I am incorrect is absurd when the basis is that photographic evidence doesn't exist when that person then proceeds to tell me the size without photographic evidence.

I don't care about his estimate of my size or anyone else's, only I know and I've chosen to keep it that way. His explanation was that 9 inches cannot exist and that there is no evidence for it, but he also quoted me as not being off this chart which maxes out at 8.26 inches. He did say that I was 7.75 -8 inches, which is only a difference of .26 inches, but he doesn't know any of my other proportions and yet is using my proportions to discern a .25 inch difference, about the width of a fingernail. But I'm seven feet tall, instead of the average 5'10" he probably assumes because that is average and everyone is average, which obviously means that proportionally I may not live up to his expectations of size while in real world measurements I am. I'm not actually 7 feet tall, but I've already been called a liar so I wanted to live up to that for a moment.

I'm not defending the size of my penis, I feel no need to do that and I really don't care. I do care that I was accused of being a liar. I don't lie on this site, elsewhere on the internet, or in the real world to the best of my ability. I do that actively, I prefer not to lie and make an effort not to. So, hopefully, you can understand why I might get a little annoyed when I am accused of lying by someone that doesn't follow the protocols they have decided I am subject to.

I get the need to set the record straight. And the expressed need to be honest in life is also big with me. What I can't get, mainly because I only have a basic membership on this site, is your gallery. I would honestly enjoy seeing more of your dick and balls ìn my email. :) jmcgowan457@ymail.com
 

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I get the need to set the record straight. And the expressed need to be honest in life is also big with me. What I can't get, mainly because I only have a basic membership on this site, is your gallery. I would honestly enjoy seeing more of your dick and balls ìn my email. :)jmcgowan457@ymail.com

Thanks, I appreciate that. Getting a non-basic membership is actually very easy, and more importantly free, I just learned about it a couple weeks ago myself. If you post a pic with verification then you get gold membership for free. You just have to post the pic in your album and create a thread in the verification section with a link to the picture. There are a couple more specifics but its probably easiest to read the instructions thread in that section of the forum.
 

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You are wrong. I am not claiming no penis of 9 inches exist. I am claiming I have not yet seen any proof. It might seem like a detail to you, but that is important.

You are also wrong I cannot estimate your size. I have been on the mild side, because I am not here to hurt your feelings or whatever. You have a measurement of your soft-ish cock. You hold it with your index finger. The same finger I see in other pics (I assume).
 

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And yet even in this thread you mention that a measurement showing 9 inches looks authentic. Though, you did demand better pictures. It seem like you don't want proof.

You need to read the debunking threads a bit more. Your cohorts explain why you can make an estimate of the length of my finger based on the angles in this picture. For example, my finger is curved, the same reason you said that the pic showing 9 inches in this thread wasn't good enough. How a curve in my finger when its not even being measured can be used to make an accurate estimate in your mind while a measuring tape resting on the top of a penis isn't doesn't make much sense.

Either way, there are plenty of other threads you can have this type of discussion in, you can even have it with people who are interested in the topic. I'm not one of those people.
 

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O my ..

One last time. The measurement shown is not a correct measurement. I can make a guesstimate based on what I see. There is an error in there, but not an error making yours 'off the chart'. Granted. Big. But no way it is bigger than 8.25 inches NBPEL. However, when you are in your dreams, that is fine by me.

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You're right for once, I didn't take a measurement of my erect penis and post a picture here. You don't have enough evidence to make any claim about my size.

Guesstimate. One of the most pointless words ever used. A "guesstimate" is just an estimate while trying to eliminate ownership. Your "guesstimate" is wrong. Just say estimate and take ownership of your claim.

The administrator of standards and measures has declared that measuring anything from top to bottom is not allowed. BPEL is wrong because it includes the entire length of the penis that can be used and makes him feel bad. When building any item make sure to measure the material from around the bottom, but not the actual bottom. Be careful, the administrator has an eye that can spot a .25 inch difference in anything even without reference, he just knows. There is a correct measurement for everything, and it does not include measuring the entire length of that item. Even when the administrator is wrong, you are wrong.
 

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If that chart is NBP, it is about right considering all ethnic groups and ages (think of old, fat guys, many asians etc.)

If you want a chart that is more indicative of young guys who are likely to be your sexual competition, the lifestyle chart is probably more accurate. That puts 7 at 95.5.
 

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Please find my "evidence":
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However, you unclaimed your own claim. Off the charts means of course NBPEL. Instead of telling others to do their homework do it yourself. The average of 13 cm = NBPEL.

And yes, it is quite normal that you hold to the standard given if you want to compare.
 

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Your red and blue lines aren't even the same length. You can't measure my finger when my finger isn't being measured. Perspective affects the perceived size of an object in a picture. A finger on top of a measuring tape has the same effect as a penis on top of a measuring tape, it appears larger. You wouldn't accept a measurement of a penis if it isn't done "correctly" so why are you accepting the measurement of a finger that isn't even being measured and doesn't adhere to your standards?

All you are doing is making assumptions. You can't assume my finger is the same distance from the camera or that the angle is the same if you also can't trust the picture of a 9 inch dick that was posted earlier and you deemed "not good enough." Why would the picture and measurement of my finger be accurate under the same conditions?

You also used what I think is my least flattering picture, I only keep it up because others seem to like it. I personally think it makes my dick look smaller than it is, but that's irrelevant. Is this your attempt to hurt my feelings? I'm the only one who gets to hold my penis and a ruler, and I know how far it reaches, and when I do that I see that it is larger than the 100% limit of 8.26 inches. This goes back to my original statement that the study is flawed if for no other reason that it puts a 100% limit on the results.

You've also made an attempt at measuring incorrectly, if you want to set a standard then you need to stick to it. Correct measurement, according to your cohorts, is taken a long the top of the penis, perpendicular to the floor, while lying down. You're using a picture of the side of my penis, while I'm sitting upright, so it doesn't fit the standards, herr dickapick.

A standard only makes sense if it sets a standard. Bone pressed allows a standard since there is a limit, while non bone pressed allows for fluctuation. My pelvis doesn't grow and shrink on a daily basis, but if I don't exercise and eat or drink too much then my fat pad will. If you were building something out of wood you wouldn't measure the wood from one end to around the other end. I measure the usable length of my penis because that is what is relevant. Though, I do measure in the correct position, lying down with my penis perpendicular to the floor. You opportunistically, used a picture in which I was doing almost the exact opposite of that, sitting upright and holding my erection up which I'm sure a connoisseur of penis measurements like yourself knows is not a way to get an accurate measurement.

If you're going to hold anyone to a standard then you should hold yourself to it first. You claimed to have a penis of about 6.5 inches, but your pictures don't show that. There is no measurement but the coins you put on your dick and that doesn't represent the size you claim. I could make a picture in MS paint but I'm not concerned enough with you to make the effort. Stop putting coins on your dick by the way, those things are filthy.

I'm not interested in making comparisons. I saw a chart that didn't account for my size, dismissed the findings of the survey and the fact that it did not account for my size. You don't even seem to realize that you agreed with that, at least with my dismissal. In fact you have agreed that the study is flawed by saying that you believe that there are penises larger than what it says is the maximum possible size. Instead of understanding that you were wrong to even post on this thread and you've spent a lot of time thinking about my penis. Its almost flattering.

Thanks so much for your input though, administrator. Your house must be crooked and your roof must be leaking with your methods of measurement so I'm sure you have some leaks to tend to.
 

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Funny. Things closer to the camera seem to appear larger than they are. That's why people like to compare to things under their dicks preferably with wide angle shots. I also made the statement it is not an exact measurement. So why bother by pointing me at the fact it isn't. I knew that already. It is just to show my guesstimate (haha) is not as stupid as you try to make it look.

You skip the most important part btw. The graph is NBPEL. And you tell the whole world yours is of the scale. But you measure BPEL because you don't agree on the chosen standard. Nice if your standard is in inches and mine is in centimeters. I can yell you my dick is much bigger because I am 17+. Yes centimeters. But I don't agree with inches as standard :p
 

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Btw. The only picture where you see the 2 coins and my entire length is semi soft. So yes, I agree you won't see there mine is 17+/ 6.7+. Amazing, isn't it? You measure your flaccid-ish penis is 6-6.5 inches. So your erect penis has the same lengt?

And one more thing. I already admitted that on the boundaries you will find extremes. So the graph is flawed. But not that much that you don't fit in there.
 

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This data, or some very like it, has been posted here before. It is a wonderful example of how institutions of learning have failed in teaching statistics and experimental methods, causing "researchers" to publish misleading and incorrect information. Oh, hell, the teachers and/or professors have probably deluded themselves that what they have done is right, but it isn't.

The giveaway to how this data was (incorrectly) obtained is seen by clicking the link for the original graph at the bottom of the page. Notice that the curves are perfectly smooth and absolutely perfectly symmetrical. That is, the lower left part of each curve below the 50th percentile is an exact mirror image of the upper right part above the 50th percentile. If you were to replot this data as the probability vs. length, each line on the plot would form a perfect "bell curve," or Gaussian Distribution, aka Normal Distribution. And that is very suspicious, as I shall get to in a moment.

The full explanation follows, but by inspection of the curve, and a knowledge of what real-world data of any human measurement looks like, I can tell you each curve was artificially reconstructed from just two numbers: a Mean and a Standard Deviation. Regardless of what some ignorant teacher may have told you in school, such a reconstructed curve does not, and cannot, accurately represent the actual data at the extremes, except in very limited circumstances. The top and bottom 5% or so of the curve is therefore expected to be completely unreliable, because it does not reflect actual measured data.

For those who have the patience to read, here is a simplified explanation, without using much math...

They may have taught you in school that random distributions accurately follow such a normal distribution. But in fact this is not in general true, and is almost certainly not true for this biological case. (If you believe this to be true, you need to spend more time measuring real things.) The normal distribution is simply a mathematical construction which is easy to manipulate mathematically. Under certain conditions, a measurement which is expected to be affected by the combination of many independent, unrelated, random processes will indeed approach a normal distribution. This is a good assumption to make when trying to estimate the combined effect of, say, random measurement errors. But, in systems were there are non-random causes, or there are factors which make certain variations physically impossible, there is no reason to assume that the distribution will be close to normal. Human mating is a selective process, and as such the results should not be completely random. Further, there are some biological variations (such as mutations) which sometime may accentuate a particular characteristic, but at other times may prove fatal or otherwise unable to propagate. Again, not complete randomness.

Nevertheless, in life sciences, sociology, and anthropometrics (the study of the human body and its dimensions) it has become very customary to simply always assume a normal distribution. One reason for this is that the true distribution may never be known, because determining it may require measuring too many people, or may require measuring people that are not accessible to the study. For example, a great deal of available anthropometric data (other than penis size) comes from measurements made by armies of their enlisted men and women. But clearly people at the extremes of size (very short or extremely tall, very fat, etc.) never actually make it into the army, having been rejected at the recruitment station, so they never get measured and included in the data. It turns out that it is still possible to obtain useful data from the population that remains, but to do so you have to assume a distribution. And it is the normal distribution that is almost always assumed, even though it seldom is completely accurate in describing the data.

If you assume a normal distribution, you only need two numbers to describe the population: the Mean and the Standard Deviation (SD). The Mean is just the average of all the data points, and represents the peak of the bell curve. The SD is calculated from the squares of the difference of each individual data value from the mean, and determines how wide the bell spreads. However, the bell curve obtained in this way is always perfectly symmetrical around the mean, and is really always the same basic shape, except being stretched or compressed in width according to the SD.

It is very important to understand that in general none of the actual real data points lie exactly on the curve. The curve is only a sort of best fit through the data, as defined by the Mean and SD, but does not exactly describe the data. Also note that the curve extends, or extrapolates, beyond the range of available data. When the data does not have true normal distribution, the normal best fit obtained by calculating the Mean and SD tends to be better around the more common values (i.e. values near the Mean), and becomes increasingly poor as you move away from the mean. As you get still further from the mean, into the extreme cases, the actual data often has very little to do with the curve, because the actual factors which determine these extreme cases are not the multiple random factors that lead to a Normal distribution. But since there are very few data points out there, they have little influence on the shape of the curve. Although there are statistical tests to determine how well the Normal distribution actually fits the real data, these tend to be very insensitive to extreme values, and mostly focus on the central values, nearer the Mean.

Despite the fact that the Normal distribution may be a poor fit to actual human data, and that the researchers may only have actually measured some small central part of the population, the data is still quite useful for most purposes. For example, if you are a clothing manufacturer, you do not care about how tall or large the top 2% of the population is, because your reward for the great expense of manufacturing these special additional sizes would be at most a 2% revenue increase, and you would rather walk away from money-losing business. You do, however, care that your standard range of sizes fits perhaps 95% of the population, because that is where you make money. And in a Normal distribution, 95% of the population fits into just plus/minus 2 SD around the mean. So long as the Normal distribution does a reasonable job in predicting approximately how many people are each clothing size over this range, it commercially useful in allowing the manufacturer to plan how many of each size to produce. And in telling armies how may uniforms and boots of each size to buy. Nobody really cares about whether the curve fits the real data out at 3 SD, because there are so few people there (< 1%) that it is better to just ignore them, because you aren't going to make shoes in their size anyway.

So, the Normal distribution has stuck in anthropometric studies, because it might provide a reasonable fit to actual data over the range people care about (the middle 95%, or +/- 2 SD), and no one who uses it really cares about the others. And, by assuming this distribution, instead of having to consult big databases of actual data (a real pain in the ass in the pre-computer era) you only need to know 2 numbers, Mean and SD, and will have a useful, although imperfect, understanding of the part of the population you actually care about. Hence, it has become common to simply discard the actual data after the Mean and SD are calculated, and to reconstruct the percentiles from the Mean and SD, not the actual data. In some circles, this is considered a means of improving the quality of the study results, by "filtering out" those pesky real-word variations.

But, data distilled down to those two numbers makes increasingly bad predictions as you move to the more extreme data. If you assume that penis size may be due to non-random factors, such a genetic determination and selective mating, then it is only to be expected that the true values will deviate strongly from those predicted by a normal distribution given by a Mean and SD as you move toward the extremes. Really, the line graph should not extend below the 5th and above the 95th percentile (or thereabouts), so as not to convey artificial and misleading data.

By way of another example, consider human height. Click here for an example of trying to apply the Normal distribution to the height of women based on the Mean and SD (documented elsewhere as 63.6 and 2.5 inches, respectively), and coming up with impossibly small probabilities for tall women who do in fact exist. Also click the arrow for the authors previous post, where he argues that the Normal distribution is good at approximating human heights; it just breaks apart at the extremes, and way underestimates probability.

If I can summarize, you are saying that the bottom and top 5% is not really accurate, that they do not represent reality well. I have always believed this, but I am not so well educated to say it so clearly as you have. My undereducated view of the normal distribution is that it does not apply to dicks. A dick cannot be shorter than zero inches, but it can be very long indeed. We hit the 99.9999% mark at various lengths depending on the study, and none can claim to be authoritative. How many dicks in the world are longer than 9 inches? I am betting more than 10, more than 100, probably more than 10,000. We will NEVER know, and to quibble over the top 1% (or top 1/10000%) is, according to this person's educated view, an exercise in futility. But, people always love to be futile.......
 

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In popular culture, when men argue among themselves regarding who has the greatest accomplishments, or who has best bragging rights, this is called a dick measuring contest. It is generally foolish and leads to no useful end. On this site we have many who lie, many who are carefully truthful. We have huge dicks and tiny dicks. We have extreme assholes and excellent people. The arguments and dick measuring contests are never ending. The insults and recriminations fly back and forth. For what? What do people gain from this silly behavior? For me, I learned here that I have a big dick (did not realize before). I learned some useful sexual information. I can relate to some people. But GODDAMN, I am tired of the fools and assholes. Who CARES if someone gets off on lying about his dick size? WHO CARES? It means nothing to me, does not hurt me. JEEZ. Get over it, folks!
 

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How have you made the decision that this graph in NBPEL? I've checked, there is no indication of the measurement used. You've made up bullshit just like you've done with every response to me so far.

I post only legitimate measurements, when I choose to post measurements. Sorry that you don't like it. My non-erect penis varies in length by a lot, and I choose to take the pictures that are the most flattering, had you read my posts about that picture then you wouldn't need the lecture.

"So yes, I agree you won't see there mine is." What the hell are you trying to say? I really have no idea. You keep saying that I'm "flaccidish" in that pic, check my post history, I don't hide that fact. And it doesn't mean anything.

Again, come over, get on you knees and measure my cock. I think you will find that its off this chart. Either way, shut up. I'm done talking to you. I'm happy holding my big cock in my hand, which is something you can never feel.
 

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Fencepost, I appreciate you contribution. I want nothing more than to end my interactions with dickapik. However, you are wrong in your assessment that this is a battle over who has the bigger dick. Neither of us care who has the bigger dick, from what I can tell, I know I don't and I don't think he does either. He called me a liar and that is all there is to it.
 

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How have you made the decision that this graph in NBPEL? I've checked, there is no indication of the measurement used. You've made up bullshit just like you've done with every response to me so far.
If you were really interested you would know. Just because howlongismyschlong.com is an inch off where measurements are BPEL. But Fencepost is right. I should have let it go. If you want to believe you are off scale go ahead. If it makes you flaccid-ish or hard, even better :)
 

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Lots of hate and discontent above it seems, but to one of the underlying questions - about the difference between results of two sites for the same size penis...

https://interactive.guim.co.uk/embed/aus/2015/mar/penislength/

This graphic is based on combining prior published studies of about 15,000 penises... "The study participants were men aged 17 to 91 who had their penises measured in 20 previously published studies conducted in Europe, Asia, Africa and the United States."

http://howlongismyschlong.com/

This calculator is using data from several, much smaller underlying studies which were published for reasons other than to determine the normal distribution of penis size in the population.

Without going into each of the studies referenced on the second website, my bet is that the first one is more representative of the population overall. Of course, the measurements referenced are (at least theoretically) real-life inches and not "internet inches." YMMV.
 

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since I exceed 8 inches in length, I don't feel like I am at the top percentile, knowing what monsters lurk in LPSG

I feel only above average

And that's the problem with population comparisons. It's like being on campus at Harvard and saying you don't feel smarter than most. While you may not be smarter than most at Harvard, you might still be in the top 0.001 in the country overall.