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Discussion in 'Penis Enlargement' started by redneck321, Jan 20, 2012.
Have any of you have penis lengthening surgery? How do you feel about the results?
there was a thread on here about this subject last year. It had a link to a great youtube series of vids about a real guy in california going through this surgery. it was videod by a documentarian from England who came over to vid the guy before, during and after surgery. it was pretty neat. i cannot remember the link but you might try finding it.
Does he have abigger cock now? Don't want a flame war, does it work? what are the pros and cons?
Before committing funds to this please research this one very carefully. To this day the FDA which regulates medicine has never given Penis Enlargement Surgery their rubber stamp of approval. In California there have been numerous problems and this has reached a level that it has been under investigation with the potential for the State of California to outlaw these procedures by statute within their borders.
All surgical procedures undergo "teething pains" as they are developed. These procedures have not significantly improved over time.
There are a number of huge "if's" to a good procedure. The first thing is that when done correctly there are compromises to get the length gains.
When the suspensory and fundiform ligaments are severed which is needed for reasonably good length gains, the penis works just fine, but the problem is that it will no longer stand up on erection if yours was a penis that ever did this. What this means is that your penis will grow and enlarge with erection as it always did, but it will point straight down. Many very large men have this situation anyway so it is in and of itself not abnormal in any manner. It is different and not necessarily bad.
The resection of the penile web which is more tough ligament tissue again is also necessary for the best results. This again contributes to the weakening of the erection angle, but clears the pathway for the enlargement or length gains.
In lengthening one of the major pitfalls is that the ligament structures seek out the pieces from which they were severed. When they find them they look at re-attachment as "healing", but what then happens is a condition called "retraction". This takes a 6" penis and stretches it into a 3" penis because when the ligament structures re-attach there is usually scar tissue. To prevent this the surgeon must first remove enough ligament structure and build some tissue pads between the two halves so that re-attachment is physically impossible.
The next thing is that there is a real falsehood with regards to these procedures in that most patients think it is the surgery that does everything. In fact, what the surgery does is to release the ligament structures so that you the patient can apply various stretching techniques to stretch the other tissues. Over time, with diligence these stretch rather easily giving you the increased length.
Now, again you will be a great deal longer and on erection it will point downwards, but you will have made gains this way.
The worst problems historically are not with the lengthening portion but instead with girth enhancement. In virtually all cases to this point, girth enhancement involved the implantation of something into the penile structures to gain the size. This is in fact a nightmare. In the beginning, the procedure of choice was called "lipo-transfer". What this did was basically take fat that was removed from another location and inject it into the penis. The problem with this is that it was as a whole unable to develop a blood supply and hence over a rather short period of time it was re-absorbed into the body. This meant first periodic "refills" at great additional expense. The next step in the evolution is what was called "dermal grafting". This involved the removal of sections of fat left intact and these sections were then inserted into the penis with hopes that they would develop a blood supply. In truth very few by percentage did. The worst part was that the people who had better odds were those who were the largest and had the most skin to begin with. The smaller and tighter the skin the worse the odds were of it working. In both cases these procedures also had problems with infections at the harvest sites. The dermal graft also in some individuals with darker skin left behind horrific scarring at the harvest site.
When these procedures just became too much of a hassle, the next step in the progression became the implantation of a substance called "Alloderm". The company who makes Alloderm is "Lifecell". Alloderm is a great substance when used for it's intended purpose. That purpose is to serve in skin grafting in burn victims. Alloderm was never used or approved for implantation and use of it in this manner is illegal and against FDA guidelines. Any MD using Alloderm in this manner is subject to very strict legal penalties right up to and including the loss of their license to practice medicine.
The injection of silicone or similar like substances into the penis has been illegal for decades. There are a few out there now changing the procedure by changing the substances used. The problem is that nobody knows the long term consequences.
In all cases when these procedures go wrong it is spectacular in problems for the patient and for the medical professionals trying to figure out what happened and then solve it. The "repair" of procedures that went wrong it appears never get billed back to the MD who did them without horrific and long drawn out court proceedings costing all involved incredible sums of money. You may get a few bucks and what you get is determined by the malpractice insurance carrier who quite frankly only cares about saving themselves money, they don't care if you ever have sex again.
Because of my association with Gary Griffin many years ago prior to his death, I inherited many of the problems when the surgeries he had discussed early on in glowing terms began to "nuke" and go wrong over time.
In other postings I have discussed in detail the wealthy man from Nashville Tennessee who spent 10,000 to try and turn a 5" penis into a 10" penis with great promises from a Southeastern Surgeon. When it went wrong and it went wrong in a major way, he then spent another $50,000 trying to repair the damages and get back what he had.
The biggest indicators of problems with these procedures are the number of MD's who have in fact given them up and the fact that the numbers of MD's doing them have not in fact been growing but shrinking.
Another strange factor is that many doing these procedures seem to have personal problems and the reason for this is unknown. Many of the MD's involved in these procedures have lost their licensure, a few for the PE procedures and many others because their personal problems created horrific errors in judgment resulting in incredible injuries to their patients.
The other thing is that the internet is an absolute cesspool of misinformation in this subject. There are many out there making personal financial profit from the MD's doing it by sometimes questionable means.
Another thing that has plagued the surgical procedures is that a number of individuals with mental problems from other sources have appeared on the scene. It is a real mess when one combines a botched procedure with "histrionic personality disorder", "Borderline personality disorder" or other psychiatric issues. These people based on their perceptions then go out and create an even larger quagmire which makes good information that is trustworthy more difficult to find and make certain that it is accurate and real.
For years I was the operator of "The Surgical Enlargement Forum" which was a Yahoo Group intended to provide information and to find help for those needing it. The operation of this group became nearly impossible because a number of "commercial interests" repeatedly tried to "hijack" the group and turn it into their personal advertising
This created flame wars and other problems to such a point that the group is now in the process of being discontinued and eventually the remainder of a once great group will be simply deleted. This is because some time ago it became such a headache to try and keep it honest that it was no longer worth the effort.
The first and best thing to do in starting your research is to go to the FDA and verify that what I have said in this posting is fact and not fiction. Look for FDA approval of Penis Enlargement Surgery and take it from there.
I wish you the best of luck in your research.
yep... it just makes it hang an inch lower due to the suspensory ligaments being cut... no real length added to your little cock...LOL!!!
FuzzyKen, I found this part of your post interesting: "The resection of the penile web which is more tough ligament tissue again is also necessary for the best results." I have heard of the fundiform and suspensory ligaments being severed, but nothing about the penile web being resected.
I have read your posts for a while and you seem to very experienced in the realm of PE surgery. What are the best results you have seen from a lengthening operation on a patient with a normal penis (non-micropenis)? What are the typical results that you have seen on a normal penis? I have read that a gain of an inch of EL is possible with hanging; I wanted to know what you have observed.
Just to be clear, do you believe that a penis lengthening surgery is worth it (assuming one could committ to hanging)? If so, which surgeon would you recommend for the best length gains? I have read that Dr. Gary Alter is excellent, but that he takes a conservative approach.
Fuzzyken is a wealth of very informative knowledge.I enjoy reading his post.
I really hope the doctor sees that you have a 7.5" penis and says fuck off.
Thanks for your input, buddy. :wink:
Tons of people say they would never get penis lengthening surgery. But I also know tons of girls that say they would never get implants.
I'm sure with the advances in technology that is has become quite safe. Just fine a reputable doctor, and don't get it done at some back alley apartment.
I agree MrMXYZPTLK, the lengthening procedures have developed to a point where it is safe if you find the right physician.
Although I feel the lengthening procedure (ligamentolysis) is safe, I don't necessarily believe it is effective at this stage. The reward (a one inch flaccid gain, a half an inch erect gain) does not outweigh the risk (potential complications).
I have been studying the diagrams of the structures of the penis. The more I study this complex organ the more I come to realize how difficult it would be to lengthen this dynamic organ with surgery. I am not trained in the field of urology, so I understand that this subject may be over my head. But still it seems that we lack the medical technology to effectively lengthen a normal penis.
Adding mass (girth) to a penis seems entirely possible, and there are solutions out there today that are giving men extra girth with little to no complications. However, adding length or permanently stretching a penis seems like a daunting task. I am not aware of any new methods on the horizon that can solve this problem. All I see are different methods of releasing the suspensory and fundiform ligaments.
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The best result I have seen in an erect penis was a measurable 3" increase and this is because the patient was best described as having "Obsessive Compulsive" over doing his stretching and putting up with the inconvenience. The average "really good results" were 1.5 to 2.0 inches and that was it.
The problem with giving you an answer on the actual value is complicated. I would say yes, but with a list of caveats that are a mile long. The most basic explanation would be "if you are willing to put up with all the changes and inconveniences" and "if you have the right surgeon" and "if you as the patient are in fact both patient and qualify as having "obsessive compulsive" over the post operative stretching.
The "good surgeries" with regards to length I have seen involved the full resection of all ligament structures and the building of tissue to prevent reattachment and meeting of these structures post-operatively. There is no such things as a good "girth enhancement" at this point in time because of complications down the road that nobody can predict.
Here is an example and MD's doing the surgeries never talk about this:
You are age 35 and you have girth enhancement surgery with your PE procedure, twenty years later you develop erectile dysfunction and require injection therapy. . . Woops, you can't have injection therapy because you cannot inject through any of the implanted foreign bodies without danger of compromising the needle in the syringe. Muse which is a urethral pellet has a high frequency of urethral irritation and problems and is straight prostaglandin with other sides. And worst of all both Tadalafil (cialis) and Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra) are not effective in all people and both can interact and react with common medications used in treatment of cardiac issues or high blood pressure. You will also find MD's particularly unresponsive when you state their "favorite" drugs of choice impact your sex life. The greatest percentage are far more concerned with giving you Statins and BP drugs than if you ever have an erection again. Because the injectables only act locally they are not affected by most other medications. Never close doors or remove future options if you were to have some unforseen problem or medical condition down the road.
I think I'll not go for a surgery. I am fine with years of PE
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There you go...
Short answer: No...
Long answer: Fuck no...
Anyways, I would strongly advise against it (then again, I'm not a medical professional of any sort).
Regardless of this, you'll notice in the documentary that the man (Robert mentioned above) who was undergoing penis enlargement surgery was SEVEN inches hard, PRIOR to the operation.
Surely, you've seen enough statistics regarding the matter to know that that falls well above average. Despite this, an ACTUAL MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL failed to say anything. I wonder why.
During the documentary, one of the nurses is asked whether she finds the man's penis small... To which she responds (after a quick glance, of course!), "yes".
... Keep in mind that not only was the man's penis flaccid at the time, but these people are supposed to be experts on the male genitalia (and I imagine statistics and the notion of showers/growers isn't new to them- or at least, one would hope).
I won't say anymore than that for now, watch the documentary and get back to us. It's a pleasant/insightful film regardless of your size. I wish you the best of luck.
serium, I watched that documentary a long time ago and I remember the scene you are referring to with the nurses calling the man's flaccid small. Like you said, it was disturbing that a professional medical practitioner (specializing in the penis) would not know the size of an average flaccid penis, or the concept of shower v.s. grower.
Thanks for your detailed response, FuzzyKen. When it is time for me to have my ligamentolysis procedure I will look to have full resection of all ligament structures, and be OCD about my stretching/ hanging.
FuzzyKen, I am curious about the fellow who gained three inches EL:
1. Do you know how many hours he would stretch on a daily basis?
2. How long after the operation did it take him to realize such gains?
3. Do you know if he was hanging weights, and if so which hanger? Or did he use a traction device?
4. Who was his surgeon?
I am not sure if you would know any of these details, but I thought I would ask anyway. Not that I expect to gain so much myself, but it makes sense to try and replicate the routine of someone who was successful.
#1. The guy in question operated a home business in Southern California and was able to sit in front of his PC working and stretching at the same time. From what I was told it was something like 2-3 hours, but I have no verification of that.
#2. About 2 years as I remember.
#3 He used a traction device predominately.
#4 That surgeon is now deceased
The procedure he had did a full resection on all the ligament structures as I mentioned in a previous posting. Your chances at success would depend on the quality of the surgery and techniques used.
This man was able to understand from the beginning that the technique he was receiving was going to have some "trade-offs" for the length gains and he did not see those trade off's as a problem. Some do and some don't.
There was an MD/Surgeon now deceased back on the East Coast. He was not gifted with either patience or what is commonly called "bedside manner". He was known for being instantly unkind to well endowed men who wanted more and would after some extremely unkind remarks, usually throw them out of his office. When I was running the group during his time period guys showed up on the board constantly "discussing" his lack of tact and diplomacy.
This one is no joke it is real and has happened. . . . .
Got mine done in July (ligament release).. VERY happy with the results. Yes things were sore for about a week, but perfectly able to manage. Just pick the right surgeon!!!
matt098, what motivated you to have your ligs released?
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay (not including lodging, food, etc.)?