Penis Size Debate

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But when did I ever say that any experiments showed that one or the other preference was valid or invalid? Not sure if you are familiar with any studies in this field, but like I said, they show most women believe men overemphasize the importance of penis size and that it is a small minority of men who prefer larger penises. This does not entail the validity of a preference, but rather that one of the preferences is rare.

I consider it old news to say that most women believe men overemphasize the importance of penis size. In fact, I have said the same thing myself.
Many women don't prefer large penises. (That said, many do.)
When you say that only a small minority of men prefer larger penises, I scratch my head.
That is not true among gay men, as far as I'm aware.
As for straight men, I think a large number would love to have a larger penis than they have, like to observe, however furtively, a large penis when it is on display, and would most often choose porn that showed well-endowed men rather than the reverse.
So I'm not sure how rare this preference is.
I think such points, which many people can make, make relevant responses to this statement:

It's clear that science is on the side of those who say penis size doesn't matter.

All that said, I gotta go.
I'll check this tomorree.
 
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China is the most populous country on the planet. The Chinese are not a particularly large, or romantic, people.

assuming this statement isn't a joke, the idea that there is a difference in size between races has been demonstrated to be false my countless medical studies. The idea that there is a difference comes from racism.
 

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To take inside themselves, sure.
As for the other aspects of sex, I'm not so sure ... but I really don't know.
That said, you have left men out of the equation.

The fact is, the majority of men don't really care whether other men think big penises are attractive.
 

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if you speak of procreation, then, with more science.
the shape AND size of the glans matters. (bigger is better at plunging out other sperm)
but really, I'm just to damn lazy right now to find the data while I'm looking at french art (porn)
 

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The whole premise of your argument is that it is clear where science stands on the issue.

How is this clear? If you know anything about science, then you know that not much is clear when looking holistically.
 

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It's clear that science is on the side of those who say penis size doesn't matter. How can the opposition possibly respond to that?

Is that clear? From what perspective? It think you will find that the least scientific criterion (i.e. anecdotal evidence) is the most important for most people in their everyday sexual encounters. In other words if one of you sexual partners rates you as big of small that matters to you no matter what a bunch of men in white coats might say.
 

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If you know anything about science, then you know that not much is clear when looking holistically.[/QUOTE]


What I said had absolutely nothing to do with a broad or general view of the entirety of science. Quite the opposite, since I was talking about the specific question of the importance of penis size. If you want me to be more specific, ill say this: Biologists agree that larger penises are not favored by natural or sexual selection. Psychologists agree that women who prefer large penises are a minority and that men overemphasize it's importance.
 

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Is that clear? From what perspective? It think you will find that the least scientific criterion (i.e. anecdotal evidence) is the most important for most people in their everyday sexual encounters. In other words if one of you sexual partners rates you as big of small that matters to you no matter what a bunch of men in white coats might say.

If you had read my prior comments, you'd have seen that I stated psychological studies show men overemphasize penis size e.g. science agrees that if one of your partners rates you this way it matters too you, and that it actually matters TOO much.
 

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... Many well designed studies have shown that females believe males overemphasize the importance of size ...

... the idea that there is a difference in size between races has been demonstrated to be false my [sic] countless medical studies. The idea that there is a difference comes from racism.

"Many well designed studies" eh? How many? Give us a number. "Countless medical studies" eh? You sure seem to be good at making claims that you can't back up.

And in this second case of "countless" studies showing that there is no correlation between penis size and race their conclusions are absolutely wrong. As such I am sure that the few medical studies that have come to this erroneous conclusion could be quite easily counted. That, because quite the opposite has been shown by the legitimate studies of the correlation between race and penis size. The significant thing, however, is that the difference in penis size from race to race (though statistically real) is not particularly large and that the extremes at both ends (smallest/largest) is pretty much represented in all races. One simple chart of that effect was presented in a British Medical Journal study, as seen in the attachment hereto. Are we to assume that the British Medical Journal is a fly-by-night tabloid that cannot be trusted?

... I'm talking about social scientists such as psychologists and sociologists ...

The evolutionary psychologist Carole Jahme strongly disagrees with your hypothesis that penis size doesn't matter. To support her position Jahme points out that all of the other primates have penises much smaller than man's, both in absolute terms and in relation to body size. Indeed, the very largest of the primates (gorilla) has the smallest penis of all primates. But most of those other primates determine who is mating whom through physical dominance. Among all the primates only the hominids (man) and chimps (which also sport relatively large penises) allow sexual selection to be the choice of the female. The human penis also differs from that of the other primates in that it achieves erection solely through vasocongestion, which makes it more flexible and versatile for varying sexual positions. So, Jahme proposes, the larger size, girth and flexibility of the human penis is an evolutionary adaptation to provide more sexual pleasure to man's mate, i.e. woman. Or, in her own words "... the larger human penis suggests that hominids needed to keep females with choice sexually satisfied. "

If you are open minded enough to consider a professional opinion other than your own you might want to read a brief treatise written by Carole Jahme in answer to a reader's question "Why are women so obsessed with the size of a man's cock ... ?":

Penis size: An evolutionary perspective | Ask Carole, Evolutionary Agony Aunt | Science | guardian.co.uk
 

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"Many well designed studies" eh? How many? Give us a number. "Countless medical studies" eh? You sure seem to be good at making claims that you can't back up.

And in this second case of "countless" studies showing that there is no correlation between penis size and race their conclusions are absolutely wrong. As such I am sure that the few medical studies that have come to this erroneous conclusion could be quite easily counted. That, because quite the opposite has been shown by the legitimate studies of the correlation between race and penis size. The significant thing, however, is that the difference in penis size from race to race (though statistically real) is not particularly large and that the extremes at both ends (smallest/largest) is pretty much represented in all races. One simple chart of that effect was presented in a British Medical Journal study, as seen in the attachment hereto. Are we to assume that the British Medical Journal is a fly-by-night tabloid that cannot be trusted?



The evolutionary psychologist Carole Jahme strongly disagrees with your hypothesis that penis size doesn't matter. To support her position Jahme points out that all of the other primates have penises much smaller than man's, both in absolute terms and in relation to body size. Indeed, the very largest of the primates (gorilla) has the smallest penis of all primates. But those other primates determine who is mating whom through physical dominance. Among all the primates only the hominids (man) allow sexual selection to be the choice of the female. The human penis also differs from that of the other primates in that it achieves erection solely through vasocongestion, which makes it more flexible and versatile for varying sexual positions. So, Jahme proposes, the larger size, girth and flexibility of the human penis is an evolutionary adaptation to provide more sexual pleasure to man's mate, i.e. woman. Or, in her own words "... the larger human penis suggests that hominids needed to keep females with choice sexually satisfied. "

If you are open minded enough to consider a professional opinion other than your own you might want to read a brief treatise written by Carole Jahme in answer to a reader's question "Why are women so obsessed with the size of a man's cock ... ?":

Penis size: An evolutionary perspective | Ask Carole, Evolutionary Agony Aunt | Science | guardian.co.uk

Not to be condescending but that argument is not the opinion of that specific professional, it is one of the most cited arguments on the topic. I can't remember where it originated, but I know for a fact Geoffrey Miller cited it in The Mating Mind (which in case you didn't know is considered one of the most important recent works in evolutionary psychology on sexual selection). That being said, you completely misinterpreted the argument. The argument states that humans evolved to have larger penises proportionally to their bodies than their ancestors, resulting from the fact that we can feel pleasure. However, the argument is very specific that when considering inter-species variation, there is no difference in pleasure between normal sized penises.
 

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also, that is untrue that none of my opinions are backed by real studies and I am just making this all up. I am just lazy. I'll post a few even though they are so prevalent this should not be necessary.

http://dfred.bol.ucla.edu/LeverFrederickPeplau-2006PMM-PenisSizeSatisfaction.pdf

BMC Women's Health | Full text | Penis size: Survey of female perceptions of sexual satisfaction

If you want further information on the penis size and race myth, I suggest you read Black Skin, White Mask by Julien Frantz
 

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assuming this statement isn't a joke, the idea that there is a difference in size between races has been demonstrated to be false my countless medical studies. The idea that there is a difference comes from racism.

Chinese men (from the People's Republic of China) average between 5'5.5" and 5'7", the variable being whether the population is rural or urban. Americans in most categories are taller. Except for Mexican American men, with an average height of 5'7", all categories of American men are taller, on average, than Chinese men. The average height of American men starts at 5'9.5" and proceeds upwards with variables in statistics.

You can call that racism, or anything you want.

My source for that is Wikipedia, under the "Human height" entry.
 

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as far as pure biology goes, this really does not have to be quoted because something like it can be found in literally every sexology book, but if you haven't studied the subject, here you go:

"Even a penis that remains relatively small during an erection serves every function of a larger penis. A woman's vagina, for instance, adjusts to any penis, no matter what its size, and since the vaginal walls contain few nerve endings, any difference in the woman's sensations depends on the firmness of her muscles surrounding the vaginal barrel as well as psychological factors. The latter is also true for sensations inside the rectum during anal intercourse. There is practically no feeling at all beyond the anal sphincter muscles. (This, incidentally, is the reason why some people who introduce long and hard objects into their rectum may seriously hurt themselves without realizing it.)"