Penis size related to higher testosterone

[985154]

No relation. Have seen effeminate lean small frame men with huge dicks and also ha looking men with small ones.

 

[GorillaHorse]

"but I doubt they'd also be selectively chosen for their outward appearance."

You are wrong. When someone is being chosen to be put on film their outward appearance is considered. That's what people are seeing after all.

 

[sangheili90]

"but I doubt they'd also be selectively chosen for their outward appearance."

You are wrong. When someone is being chosen to be put on film their outward appearance is considered. That's what people are seeing after all.

I actually had a bit of a mind slip with this, as I'm looking at this as a straight male who watches heterosexual porn.

Straight porn is geared towards a male audience and is almost entirely based around the female. The male pornographic actor is simply a prop or tool for the video, he is a big dick that can stay hard for hours with an entire crew set there and is able to perform as needed.

Now, with gay porn that would be geared towards a gay audience who find men attractive, so naturally the appearance of them is highly important. I don't watch gay porn so I easily overlooked this.

 

[GorillaHorse]

I actually had a bit of a mind slip with this, as I'm looking at this as a straight male who watches heterosexual porn.

Straight porn is geared towards a male audience and is almost entirely based around the female. The male pornographic actor is simply a prop or tool for the video, he is a big dick that can stay hard for hours with an entire crew set there and is able to perform as needed.

Now, with gay porn that would be geared towards a gay audience who find men attractive, so naturally the appearance of them is highly important. I don't watch gay porn so I easily overlooked this.

I don't watch gay porn either. Straight porn is for men and women. A fit man denotes a selective female which is sexy. The male actor is not a prop or a tool. He is the impetus to the muse. Or whatever. Just a dick.

 

[5104]

But it still doesn't explain the skew of my sample size nearly as well as little dicked guys themselves, who say they avoid women who are black (check), tall (check), promiscuous/very experienced (check), large-breasted (check), bottom heavy (not I), very overweight (not anymore). Read small dick fora and it comes up over and over. They are selecting themselves out.

I think I spy a contradiction though.

Accepting that YOU are the selector, making the first move, somehow you avoid the small dicked, maybe by their bearing or something. If I comprendo what you are saying, small dicked guys don't have a chance to avoid you, they aren't asked in the first place.

So, their absence from your sample has little to do with the reluctance of the small dicked. You seem to focus on certain characteristics which somehow exclude the small dicked without that being your intention.

On the other hand, maybe you are saying that you think you make the first overture to just as many small as large dicked guys, but the small dicked guys, with few exceptions, flee? That must be what you believe. For that to be true, over 50% of the guys to whom you are attracted must flee. I can't visualize that.

But, I might be projecting. I can't imagine fleeing any woman that approaches me unless she is really disgusting in some aspect.

 

[5104]

Personality may have more to do with it. You might like the way high T "alpha" men approach you or want you.

Maybe instead of "approach" I should have said "make their first response or interaction." Also, I said OR "want you" which you did not address. In their response, you might be sensing "want" very accurately.

 

[5104]

Actually, higher testosterone levels within the normal range are associated with more positive characteristics. Irritability, moodiness and all that is often times a sign of lower testosterone.

The point of this thread wasn't specifically about testosterone levels at that given moment but what they were like during development, particularly pre natal.

Yes, absolutely. Also, one would need to differentiate the real high testosterone guys from the the "wannabees" compensating for low T by trying to "act Alpha." Very common, probably. A lot of swagger is fake. Really high T guys don't feel the need to swagger. Drinking is often related to compensation for low T. Reducing inhibition via alcohol can create the appearance of assertiveness when, really, the guy is just mentally out of balance between assertiveness and needed inhibitions.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I think I spy a contradiction though.

Accepting that YOU are the selector, making the first move, somehow you avoid the small dicked, maybe by their bearing or something. If I comprendo what you are saying, small dicked guys don't have a chance to avoid you, they aren't asked in the first place.

So, their absence from your sample has little to do with the reluctance of the small dicked. You seem to focus on certain characteristics which somehow exclude the small dicked without that being your intention.

On the other hand, maybe you are saying that you think you make the first overture to just as many small as large dicked guys, but the small dicked guys, with few exceptions, flee? That must be what you believe. For that to be true, over 50% of the guys to whom you are attracted must flee. I can't visualize that.

This is ridiculous. You keep acting like dating is random. It's not. I have no way of knowing if I approached the same number of generously endowed and modestly endowed men. I don't happen to care, don't check out crotches, don't ask men about their dicks, and wouldn't man-handle strangers. Do you assume that small dicked guys are equally inclined to go out to places where I might meet them as larger guys? I don't. I definitely don't assume they flirt with me (in response to my own flirtatious overtures) at the same rate. The few partners I had with small dicks seemed entirely unaware that's what they had. They either pretended well, or genuinely didn't care, or genuinely thought what hung there was average and typical. I don't know. I only know we had fun (with one terrible exception).

And yes, like everyone else on Earth I face rejection. Sometimes he's not single. Sometimes he seems not to like that he was pursued, rather than allowed to pursue. Sometimes I'm just not his cup of tea. I am not for everyone. It's easy to assume that because you would respond if I came on to you that everyone would. Rather than 50%, I'd say my failure rate is closer to 35% strike outs/nice conversations that don't lead to further contact even though I wanted them to.

I cannot make assumptions about the men I approached. I can believe small hung men when they say they refuse to get involved with a woman like me and my experience backs them up.

 

[5104]

The male pornographic actor is simply a prop or tool for the video, he is a big dick that can stay hard for hours with an entire crew set there and is able to perform as needed.

I'm doubtful of that.

Seems to me at least some men identify with the male hero in movies as an example of what they'd like to strive for . . .

Why wouldn't that be true in porn also? Of course, much porn fails to have a "heroic" looking or behaving male. Some male porn actors look like mentally challenged psychos with a huge dick.

 

[5104]

I cannot make assumptions about the men I approached. I can believe small hung men when they say they refuse to get involved with a woman like me and my experience backs them up.

Maybe small dicked just tend not to be out and about in the first place where you would run into them. In that case, all sexually active women would tend to have the same experience as you regardless of their characteristics.

Seems that this comports with the finding by many that sexually active women think the average dick is larger than the actual average though your experience does seem to be surprisingly heavily weighted in one direction.

 

[5104]

Drinking is often related to compensation for low T. Reducing inhibition via alcohol can create the appearance of assertiveness when, really, the guy is just mentally out of balance between assertiveness and needed inhibitions.

Here's a thought: I wonder if guys who have alpha bodies, but don't have the alpha mental characteristics.to match their body, tend to be heavy drinkers that often progress to alcoholism? That could explain A LOT! I can think of several! One, especially, that likes to wrestle a topic to the ground and then beat it to death!

 

[AlteredEgo]

Maybe small dicked just tend not to be out and about in the first place where you would run into them. In that case, all sexually active women would tend to have the same experience as you regardless of their characteristics.

Seems that this comports with the finding by many that sexually active women think the average dick is larger than the actual average though your experience does seem to be surprisingly heavily weighted in one direction.

There was another very active woman at the other place. I think she posted under the name Carla. Remember? She was castigated because her lover had 8", and she could only come in one position that required a lot of length? She had a similar skew. She said smaller guys just were not bedding her and she was open to the idea of sex with them.

 

[5104]

I don't recall that she could only cum in one position that required a lot of length.

Seems to me she claimed to orgasm all sorts of ways and was particularly focused on role playing along the lines of kidnapping, captivity, rape, etc.! I did't get the impression all that was either orgasm free or necessarily 8"!

I do recall that her dating sample was strongly skewed in the direction of large penii, however.

 

[5104]

I'd forgotten, but we used to have public arguments like this all the time!

 

[AlteredEgo]

I don't recall that she could only cum in one position that required a lot of length.

Seems to me she claimed to orgasm all sorts of ways and was particularly focused on role playing along the lines of kidnapping, captivity, rape, etc.! I did't get the impression all that was either orgasm free or necessarily 8"!

I do recall that her dating sample was strongly skewed in the direction of large penii, however.

She can only climax if her body is planked.

 

[5104]

You mean lying face down as in "planking" or "planked" as in drunk?

I recall she had a retroflexive uterus which might require a rear entry for comfort. Rear entry does require some length.

I guess I need to re-read all Carla's posts. See ya in a few weeks! I recall her descriptions of small dick sex which, I thought, included orgasm.

 

[5104]

The problem of a retroflexive uterus (which I once experienced first hand) is that it isn't held "up" by messintery when the woman is on her back. Thus, it is difficult for the man to get his dick "under" the downward drooping cervix.

However, if the woman lies on her stomach as in "planking", the uterus falls into the proper position and the man can get his dick "over" the cervix which is pulled down by gavity.

 

[sangheili90]

Yes, absolutely. Also, one would need to differentiate the real high testosterone guys from the the "wannabees" compensating for low T by trying to "act Alpha." Very common, probably. A lot of swagger is fake. Really high T guys don't feel the need to swagger. Drinking is often related to compensation for low T. Reducing inhibition via alcohol can create the appearance of assertiveness when, really, the guy is just mentally out of balance between assertiveness and needed inhibitions.

Heavy drinking of alcohol results in lowered t but I don't think there is a connection in that guys who have naturally lower testosterone levels are more likely to drink. Tons of men out there have to rely on alcohol in order to approach random women, just go to any bar or club on a Friday or Saturday night. Majority of men get nervous before approaching a woman they don't know, many of them to the point where it takes a lot of effort on their part or being unable to do it at all.

 

[AlteredEgo]

You mean lying face down as in "planking" or "planked" as in drunk?

I recall she had a retroflexive uterus which might require a rear entry for comfort. Rear entry does require some length.


I guess I need to re-read all Carla's posts. See ya in a few weeks! I recall her descriptions of small dick sex which, I thought, included orgasm.

I said in order to climax I nearly always have to be able to flex my lower abdominal muscles and arch my pelvis forward. In response, she said her body had to be flat and stiff as a board, legs straight and tightly closed. It's why extra length was required. Orgasms with smaller men were probably not during intercourse, given this need.

 

[5104]

Heavy drinking of alcohol results in lowered t but I don't think there is a connection in that guys who have naturally lower testosterone levels are more likely to drink. Tons of men out there have to rely on alcohol in order to approach random women, just go to any bar or club on a Friday or Saturday night. Majority of men get nervous before approaching a woman they don't know, many of them to the point where it takes a lot of effort on their part or being unable to do it at all.

Yes, 50% of men have low testosterone by definition. Probably 80% have lower T that what it takes to be naturally assertive and, thus, experience a "need" for alcohol..