Penis size related to higher testosterone

[5104]

I said in order to climax I nearly always have to be able to flex my lower abdominal muscles and arch my pelvis forward. In response, she said her body had to be flat and stiff as a board, legs straight and tightly closed. It's why extra length was required. Orgasms with smaller men were probably not during intercourse, given this need.

Oh, maybe we are talking vaginal orgasm only?

 

[AlteredEgo]

Oh, maybe we are talking vaginal orgasm only?

We are outrageously off topic.

 

[5104]

Heavy drinking of alcohol results in lowered t

Yes, for sure and that would created a downward spiral. Drinking because you don't have enough T to be assertive and, then, losing even more T and getting even less assertive and drinking more!

 

[5104]

We are outrageously off topic.

What was the topic?

 

[5104]

No relation. Have seen effeminate lean small frame men with huge dicks and also ha looking men with small ones.

Exceptions don't necessarily disprove statistical tendencies.

 

[sangheili90]

Yes, for sure and that would created a downward spiral. Drinking because you don't have enough T to be assertive and, then, losing even more T and getting even less assertive and drinking more!

That's not how that works, being nervous in certain social situations isn't going to based on testosterone levels. I know a guy who was a marine who had a long tour of service doing embassy duty, which is very difficult and highly sought after, and he can't approach random women at all. Most men can't approach random women they see in public, that is totally normal.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Maybe instead of "approach" I should have said "make their first response or interaction." Also, I said OR "want you" which you did not address. In their response, you might be sensing "want" very accurately.

Why would I maintain interest in unresponsive men who don't want me?

My main point remains unsuccessfully challenged. Dating and sex do not involve a random sample ever. It only involves those who choose to participate at all, and then, only those who choose to participate together. All daters are first self-selected, and then chosen by someone else. People opt in or out for various reasons, but those reasons are specific. People choose and reject others for specific reasons too. This is the opposite of randomness, and makes it impossible to use dating experience scientifically to answer the OP. True story.

 

[5104]

Why would I maintain interest in unresponsive men who don't want me?.

Exactly. I think that was my point.

 

[5104]

That's not how that works, being nervous in certain social situations isn't going to based on testosterone levels. I know a guy who was a marine who had a long tour of service doing embassy duty, which is very difficult and highly sought after, and he can't approach random women at all. Most men can't approach random women they see in public, that is totally normal.

You would have to test your Marine buddy's T level to know what is going on. That he trained successfully for a masculine job proves little.

Being low T is totally normal. Being optimum T for ideal natural assertiveness with sensible moral constraints is pretty rare. Many high T guys are in jail!

I have some direct experience with this because I have been supplementing T in my old age. The difference was astounding, though of little benefit sexwise at my age.

Social anxiety of all types GONE!

 

[sangheili90]

You would have to test your Marine buddy's T level to know what is going on. That he trained successfully for a masculine job proves little.

Being low T is totally normal. Being optimum T for ideal natural assertiveness with sensible moral constraints is pretty rare. Many high T guys are in jail!

I have some direct experience with this because I have been supplementing T in my old age. The difference was astounding, though of little benefit sexwise at my age.

Social anxiety of all types GONE!

That's not how that works, a dude getting nervous before approaching a woman is normal because he cares about the outcome of the interaction. I'm not sure if you are trolling, but when a dude approaches a woman cold like that he is putting himself entirely on the line for her to either accept or reject. I don't know if you've ever done speeches or taken public speaking courses, but everyone will get nervous before their big moment because they care about how others will perceive them during their speech. These are all totally normal human feelings that everyone experiences, has absolutely nothing to do with testosterone.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Exactly. I think that was my point.

To what end? You've spent your posts to everyone else in this thread discussing the habits of low T men geared to pretending to be more like typical men they've observed. You admit they feign assertiveness. Don't you think that extends to responding to women? They know they are supposed to go along when a pretty woman expresses interest.

 

[5104]

That's not how that works, a dude getting nervous before approaching a woman is normal because he cares about the outcome of the interaction. I'm not sure if you are trolling, but when a dude approaches a woman cold like that he is putting himself entirely on the line for her to either accept or reject. I don't know if you've ever done speeches or taken public speaking courses, but everyone will get nervous before their big moment because they care about how others will perceive them during their speech. These are all totally normal human feelings that everyone experiences, has absolutely nothing to do with testosterone.

I had big problems with social anxiety of all kinds: approaching women, speeches and much much more. My point is that the INTENSITY of such reactions varies based on T level as well as other purly psychologal factors.

A high T guy focuses on what he wants and is not overly impressed by what other think. He either succeeds or fails without all that emotional drama.

 

[5104]

This is the opposite of randomness, and makes it impossible to use dating experience scientifically to answer the OP. True story.

Yes, I agree. The "data" is useless for his question as you suggest. However, I was trying to reason to the truth in the absence of carrying around a T test kit. There are blood and spit test for T, but you are right, you cannot easily deduce T level from behavior without a lot more related information.

 

[sangheili90]

I had big problems with social anxiety of all kinds: approaching women, speeches and much much more. My point is that the INTENSITY of such reactions varies based on T level as well as other purly psychologal factors.

A high T guy focuses on what he wants and is not overly impressed by what other think. He either succeeds or fails without all that emotional drama.

That isn't how that works. I have higher than average testosterone levels, which is very apparent based on how I'm built and how easily I make progress related to physical training, and I experience normal feelings of anxiety before big moments. I get nervous before I do presentations or speeches, I've taken courses in public speaking and going to sign up for toast masters soon. I get nervous before approaching random women, I can't always do it at the drop of a hat because I'm a human and not a robot. I feel these emotions because I care about the outcome, I want to succeed, be accepted but the fear and anxiety comes from thoughts of getting rejected, making yourself look stupid, forgetting your lines, etc. These are all totally normal.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I had big problems with social anxiety of all kinds: approaching women, speeches and much much more. My point is that the INTENSITY of such reactions varies based on T level as well as other purly psychologal factors.

A high T guy focuses on what he wants and is not overly impressed by what other think. He either succeeds or fails without all that emotional drama.

@sangheili90 , to this, I can attest anecdotally. I have elevated testosterone, and compared to my friends without this problem I am more willing to be assertive and aggressive, which gets me into trouble because people expect women to be less bold than I am capable. I have been socialized successfully; I understand that which is expected of me. I just don't care. I will not be nice to people who cross my boundaries. I will (figuratively, but literally if need be) shove transgressors back on their side of my lines. My friends are all interested in sex, and plenty of it, but I seem to be on another level of desire, and willingness to act on that desire, even in the face of social taboo. I am more willing to run an agenda based on an outlandish idea I love than friends are. I succeed often, on sheer stubbornness, but when I don't I get over it. It was a crazy idea anyway, and I had fun trying. I absolutely feel nervousness and doubt. I just take action anyway.

 

[AlteredEgo]

@sangheili90 , to this, I can attest anecdotally. I have elevated testosterone, and compared to my friends without this problem I am more willing to be assertive and aggressive, which gets me into trouble because people expect women to be less bold than I am capable. I have been socialized successfully; I understand that which is expected of me. I just don't care. I will not be nice to people who cross my boundaries. I will (figuratively, but literally if need be) shove transgressors back on their side of my lines. My friends are all interested in sex, and plenty of it, but I seem to be on another level of desire, and willingness to act on that desire, even in the face of social taboo. I am more willing to run an agenda based on an outlandish idea I love than friends are. I succeed often, on sheer stubbornness, but when I don't I get over it. It was a crazy idea anyway, and I had fun trying. I absolutely feel nervousness and doubt. I just take action anyway.

Oh yeah. And the only thing between me and bigger muscles is dedication to resistance training and lifting. Whenever I am the least bit regular, I make rapid gains in size and strength.

 

[sangheili90]

@sangheili90 , to this, I can attest anecdotally. I have elevated testosterone, and compared to my friends without this problem I am more willing to be assertive and aggressive, which gets me into trouble because people expect women to be less bold than I am capable. I have been socialized successfully; I understand that which is expected of me. I just don't care. I will not be nice to people who cross my boundaries. I will (figuratively, but literally if need be) shove transgressors back on their side of my lines. My friends are all interested in sex, and plenty of it, but I seem to be on another level of desire, and willingness to act on that desire, even in the face of social taboo. I am more willing to run an agenda based on an outlandish idea I love than friends are. I succeed often, on sheer stubbornness, but when I don't I get over it. It was a crazy idea anyway, and I had fun trying. I absolutely feel nervousness and doubt. I just take action anyway.

That's an interesting anecdote, thank you for sharing.

I started taking Vitamin D3 a few months ago and found that my overall mood, energy, positivity and desire to socialize noticeably increased, I'm taking about 8,000 IU. Now, I do live in AZ but I avoid being in the direct sunlight as much as possible, and when I am outside it's either at night or I'm wearing sunscreen, so I wasn't getting Vitamin D through that. Vitamin D3 is a steroid hormone and it is well known that those with higher vitamin d levels have higher testosterone compared to those who have less, for men anyway. My sex drive increased and I actually lost a bit of fat, so to a degree I think there is some truth to this. This roughly coincides with when I started meeting different women, making tons of acquaintances and all that.....which really wasn't something I was doing before. Now, I'm also a believer in that positive results encourage a momentum in that direction.

 

[sangheili90]

Oh yeah. And the only thing between me and bigger muscles is dedication to resistance training and lifting. Whenever I am the least bit regular, I make rapid gains in size and strength.

The point I was making earlier though comes down to the fact that people have different personality traits and interact with the world due to experiences growing up and not entirely because of hormones. I think a more robust hormonal profile will encourage a man to be a better more enhanced version of himself, that's why a lot of guys that medically had low testosterone levels talk about feeling better after going on TRT. Now, if you have 2 dudes that have T levels that are in the normal and healthy range, I don't think there'd necessarily be a correlation in that the one with the higher level is more likely to engage in certain behavior compared to the other.....no way to prove either way.

 

[sodominsane]

Yeah, me too. I have a physical type. I have a type to the extent that friends will point out dudes because they are my type, and sometimes I already dated them. Their heights have varied. Their skin tone has too. But I choose the same few faces and the exact same build over and over again. Over and over. Mostly, it's been big dicks. There have been many average, and a very few small. But I don't believe a correlation between that face and body type and testosterone and penis size is borne out here. Instead, I'd say the main factor is my body. Over and over, I've seen smaller endowed men describe women they'd never risk humiliation with. I fit the description.

It's hard to draw any kind of conclusion based on dating anyway. One's dating pool is never a random sample.

huh....I'm not small dick guy....but what type of woman is a humiliation risk.....and can you tell by looking?

 

[sodominsane]

Was thinking about this and whether or not there may be a correlation between having a large penis and displaying outward physical characteristics of higher testosterone levels (facial features, body shape, height, etc.). Though this is using a fairly limited pool of guys, the vast majority of male pornographic actors that are well endowed show signs of having naturally higher testosterone levels. Often times these men have fairly larger testicle, have athletic builds with broad shoulders and narrow waists, more masculine facial features....signs that they have higher testoreone levels compared to the average man. Now, it is obvious that these men are selected for not only their penis size but also their ability to perform.....but I doubt they'd also be selectively chosen for their outward appearance.

Based on your first hand experiences with well endowed guys, did you find them to be more likely to display signs of higher testoreone? Now, the argument isn't that a guy who has a bigger penis has more testosterone compared to someone else, but instead this is to see if there is perhaps a rough correlation between the two. Micropenises are found with men who had issues in relation to puberty and often undergo hormonal therapy, but that is one extreme with men who have a disorder and not the average men who is otherwise healthy.

on a side note to thread....you mentioned large testicles on porn stars......when a was doing autopsy /pathology rotation i med school....another student and i were measuring the testicles...(which btw is standard procedure for autopsy as are wiefhing of organs....slicinging organs etc)....

anyways the pathology professor walks by and says let me guess......and she shouted out a number.....turns out she was dead on

she said.....the accual gland material (producing part) testicules are almost always the same size in individuals.....the size difference in vivo is epididimus tunica albicans and vasculature

never really did any further research on the subject....but if it helps she was one of those super high acheiving "rock star" doctors.....so i tended to believe her

also i have done tons of testoterone blood workups on patients......while tiny little balls can indicate pathology ....ball size has not been a good predictor of test levels.....if it did...well i wouldn't be ordering a test...we would just measure balls