Penn & Teller Bullshit debunks circumcision

[B_Marius567]

The award-winning Showtime documentary series by renowned skeptic
magicians Penn & Teller gives the slam-dunk debunk treatment to
circumcision in their third season

I like the anti circumcision better sines thay only want it done when you ask for it as an adult not when your a baby and the pro circumcision people
are out to cut off every foreskin thay see, there sick

 

[jonb]

Well, being a magician makes you skeptical by nature, simply because you know all the ways to convince others you're right.

Most of the pro-circumcision types fall into three categories, in my experience:

*Religious fundamentalists. Since every part of the Bible is to be taken literally, the assumption is that there must be a medical reason for circumcision.
*Quack doctors. See my comments about alternative medicine for details on this type.
*Fetishists. A mixture of sadism and pedophilia marks this type. In fact, images of circumcision are often found in kiddie porn busts. (For all we know, circumcision might've begun this way; victims of molestation are often also cutters. Unlike other cutters, though, they focus on the genitalia and in females the breasts.)

 

[AmIStraight?]

Originally posted by jonb@Apr 10 2005, 07:38 PM
Well, being a magician makes you skeptical by nature, simply because you know all the ways to convince others you're right.

Most of the pro-circumcision types fall into three categories, in my experience:

*Religious fundamentalists. Since every part of the Bible is to be taken literally, the assumption is that there must be a medical reason for circumcision.
*Quack doctors. See my comments about alternative medicine for details on this type.
*Fetishists. A mixture of sadism and pedophilia marks this type. In fact, images of circumcision are often found in kiddie porn busts. (For all we know, circumcision might've begun this way; victims of molestation are often also cutters. Unlike other cutters, though, they focus on the genitalia and in females the breasts.)

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My buddy was circumcised when he was 16 because he had an infection caused by tiny tears in his foreskin.

He was in constant pain for weeks, every time he got wood (being 16 it was a lot). . it was like agony.

I'm glad my parents snipped me as a youngster, if it means never dealing with that.

 

[Dr Rock]

yeah, I'm glad my parents sawed my arm off as a baby, it means I'll never risk breaking it!

 

[Knight]

Everyone should be left to make up their own minds about everything. That would be/is the ideal. Within certain moral guidlines we choose if we want to be circumcised or what religion we want etc. Anyone who goes beyond whatever guidelines are set out gets punished. Simple as.

Anyway since this world isn't ideal I'll just say I'm glad I don't live in America.

 

[KinkGuy]

KinkGuy thinks back....way back, as far back as he can remember. Hum. Don't seem to recall anyone asking me if it was alright to mutilate my penis. No, pretty sure I didn't sign anything that said it was ok. But I understand your point Kinght ...it makes my point. CHOICES. BTW Knight, I notice you haven't chosen to have your foreskin chopped off. CHOICES. Having my foreskin removed at 2 days of age, if I remember.....wasn't my choice.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by Knight@Apr 11 2005, 04:16 AM
Anyway since this world isn't ideal I'll just say I'm glad I don't live in America.

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well, I'd say I'm glad I wasn't born in an american hospital ... but having travelled around quite a lot, I can definitely say that america is still probably the best place to live.

 

[13788]

BlondBoy_16: I don't think its a fetish I think its American females using the one and only time that they have any influence,unfortunatly its just that that influence is mutilation of male babies.

 

[13788]

radiocarpal: i dont think its mutilation at all. I like mine like cut. Would you really use the word mutilate when you see all types of people walking around with bars in their ears, nipples, or anyother piece of skin. My point is I dont feel as if there is a piece of me missing. Do you guys feel that way?

 

[jh325i]

Originally posted by radiocarpal@Apr 11 2005, 05:47 AM
i dont think its mutilation at all. I like mine like cut. Would you really use the word mutilate when you see all types of people walking around with bars in their ears, nipples, or anyother piece of skin. My point is I dont feel as if there is a piece of me missing. Do you guys feel that way?

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yea you could say that but people CHOSE to do that, I've never heard a baby say "please circumsize me".....

 

[13788]

carolinacurious:

My point is I dont feel as if there is a piece of me missing. Do you guys feel that way?
*

It's not this all consuming thing, and I don't feel like a part of me is missing because I've never known it to be "there" BUT yes, technically there is a part of me missing and nobody asked ME if they could take it. I suppose the "grass is always greener" but I've seen a few of the uncircumsised variety and I wish that I hadn't been cut.

Would I call a breast with a piercing "mutilated"? If the owner of said breast consented to the procedure, then no.

 

[tightfit]

I can definitely say that america is still probably the best place to live

If you have money and live in a civilised part and don't mind a racially divided society and can deal with Republican bigotry etc. etc.
That said - I really enjoy my holidays in New York and California.

 

[madame_zora]

Tightfit, I couldn't agree with you more. BTW, I have always wondered how England fares on racial issues, is there any prejudice there? I've never been outside the airport, and I wonder what the differences in things like taxes, healthcare, racism and the like compare to the US.

 

[tightfit]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Apr 11 2005, 11:03 AM
Tightfit, I couldn't agree with you more. BTW, I have always wondered how England fares on racial issues, is there any prejudice there? I've never been outside the airport, and I wonder what the differences in things like taxes, healthcare, racism and the like compare to the US.

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In most countries you will get pockets of racism and, yes, there is racism in the UK but it tends to be in isolated 'pockets'. Since the World Trade Centre attack there has been a rise in anti muslim feelings but it is not 'embedded' in our society.
As for taxes - they are sky high.
Healthcare is, on the whole, good but the National Health Service is straining somewhat with the increase in the number of older people.
In general, the UK tends to have less 'extremes' than in the USA.
The UK does, most definately, have its downside but it also has its upside.
Tightfit.
P.S. I feel very honoured to have been asked this by the venerable Madame Zora!
(touches forelock in deference)

 

[Pecker]

Originally posted by tightfit@Apr 11 2005, 05:03 AM
If you... can deal with Republican bigotry etc. etc.

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Looks like prejudice isn't confined to the color of one's skin.

 

[tightfit]

Originally posted by Pecker@Apr 11 2005, 11:31 AM
Looks like prejudice isn't confined to the color of one's skin.

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Not prejudice Pecker - Based on fact.
As a gay man I see that they are responsible for much oppression against lesbian and gay people and others.

 

[Sabln7]

Originally posted by tightfit+Apr 11 2005, 11:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tightfit &#064; Apr 11 2005, 11:59 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Pecker@Apr 11 2005, 11:31 AM
Looks like prejudice isn&#39;t confined to the color of one&#39;s skin. 

[post=299538]Quoted post[/post]​

Not prejudice Pecker - Based on fact.
As a gay man I see that they are responsible for much oppression against lesbian and gay people and others.

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[/b][/quote]

I dislike the entire Republican agenda. However, when Democrats are in power, they can take their agenda too far to the left. I believe we had a balanced budget and good economy during the Clinton years because Congress was partially controlled by Republicans and partially controlled by Democrats. That forced the two parties to moderate. Any time one party controls the whole government, like the Republicans do now, the extremists take over. I hope in 2006 we get a balance back.

 

[Sabln7]

Originally posted by tightfit+Apr 11 2005, 11:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tightfit &#064; Apr 11 2005, 11:59 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Pecker@Apr 11 2005, 11:31 AM
Looks like prejudice isn&#39;t confined to the color of one&#39;s skin. 

[post=299538]Quoted post[/post]​

Not prejudice Pecker - Based on fact.
As a gay man I see that they are responsible for much oppression against lesbian and gay people and others.

[post=299545]Quoted post[/post]​

[/b][/quote]

I dislike the entire Republican agenda. However, when Democrats are in power, they can take their agenda too far to the left. I believe we had a balanced budget and good economy during the Clinton years because Congress was partially controlled by Republicans and partially controlled by Democrats. That forced the two parties to moderate. Any time one party controls the whole government, like the Republicans do now, the extremists take over. I hope in 2006 we get a balance back.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by tightfit@Apr 11 2005, 09:03 AM
If you have money and live in a civilised part

negative. I&#39;ve never had any money ANYWHERE, and america is probably the easiest place to have no money that I&#39;ve lived in. I dunno what&#39;s "civilized" or not, I guess that&#39;s a matter of perception.

and don&#39;t mind a racially divided society

MOST of the US is nowhere near as racially divided as a lot of other nations. try living in india, or just about any sub-equatorial african nation, for comparison - I have, and race is still considered an important social distinction by nearly everyone there. the whole world is a "racially-divided society", it&#39;s just less of an issue in some places than in others. my experiences are that race in the US is only a big deal in day-to-day terms for a small but ridiculously vocal minority who can&#39;t seem to shut up about it, and insist on bringing it into every aspect of life whether it&#39;s relevant or not (surprise: it&#39;s usually not).

and can deal with Republican bigotry etc. etc.

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*shrug* I tend to ignore obvious displays of bigotry, and I always ignore politics. george w bush&#39;s government is no more nor less annoying, interfering and inept than tony blair&#39;s, for example. they&#39;re just the same cunts in different suits, and ultimately they&#39;ll always screw you over the same way. until I can figure out how to bring down every government on earth and emancipate humankind on my own, I&#39;m not gonna worry about them any more than I have to. the US is a looong way from perfect, but I still prefer it as a home to the UK.

 

[tightfit]

Ooooo...
We appear to have gone &#39;off-topic&#39; somewhat&#33;
All interesting though.