Originally posted by madame_zora+Apr 11 2005, 06:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora @ Apr 11 2005, 06:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by ChimeraTX@Apr 11 2005, 05:41 PM
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America has become the land of exremeists, and those are very scary people.
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Compared to who? Europe is a breeding ground for outrageous far-left ideologies. I wonder if you consider marxism, communism, and socialism forms of extremism. Does the word extremism only get applied to far-right ideologies?
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Gee Chimera, is that the best you can do? Do you see Marxists and Socialists bombing abortion clinics? Threatening the safety of Americans? Burning torches in people's front yards? NO! They might be picketing, writing books and the like, but I haven't heard of a violent demonstration of Socialists in our country in ages! Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the KKK are still mutilating and killing, the right-wingers (Pro-lifers, HA!
are bombing abortion clinics, Gays are being beat up in the street by homophobes and "god fearing" people, we are at war with people who we formerly had friendly relations with simply because we want to control the flow of oil. Yes, I think right wing extremists are more dangerous at the present time. They are far more large-scale and organised. Show me examples of widespread violence being committed by the leftists and I'll be glad to listen, only make sure it's not ancient history! Extremists in opinion are very different from extremists who feel free to carry out their messages of hatred. I might hate some of the things the Republican party stands for, but would NEVER consider using an act of violence against them to make my point. It is my view that when this line is crossed, extremism becomes dangerous. It's most ly a battle of the brain vs. braun. Brute strength will win out in the short term, but eventually I believe in the power of love to heal all the wounds we are creating. This war we are in brings shame upon us all.
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Okay, follow along carefully, this may be tough for you. In this short paragraph are a few sentences you may want to read. I am being purposely insulting because you have ignored me too many times.
1). Do you see Marxists and Socialists bombing abortion clinics? Threatening the safety of Americans? Burning torches in people's front yards? NO! They might be picketing, writing books and the like, but I haven't heard of a violent demonstration of Socialists in our country in ages!
2). Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the KKK are still mutilating and killing, the right-wingers (Pro-lifers, HA!
are bombing abortion clinics, Gays are being beat up in the street by homophobes and "god fearing" people, we are at war with people who we formerly had friendly relations with simply because we want to control the flow of oil.
3). Yes, I think right wing extremists are more dangerous at the present time. They are far more large-scale and organised. Show me examples of widespread violence being committed by the leftists and I'll be glad to listen, only make sure it's not ancient history!
4). Extremists in opinion are very different from extremists who feel free to carry out their messages of hatred. I might hate some of the things the Republican party stands for, but would NEVER consider using an act of violence against them to make my point. It is my view that when this line is crossed, extremism becomes dangerous.
5). It's most ly a battle of the brain vs. braun. Brute strength will win out in the short term, but eventually I believe in the power of love to heal all the wounds we are creating. This war we are in brings shame upon us all.
Okay, now that it's broken up into smaller chunks you can respond. In section 1 I bring up the violence being committed by right-wingers currently, in this country. To assert that the right is being marginalised is absurd, they are in power everywhere. I am beginning to doubt your intelligence to even try to pass off such an obviously untrue statement. I haven't heard of a violent socialist action here, ever, but if it ever happened, it wasn't the norm as the examples I gave.
In section 2 I listed violent acts that are being done currently HERE by right wing groups.
In section 3 I refered to the previous examples as reasons for asserting that right wing groups are more dangerous because of their violence here and now. I asked you to cite examples of left-wing violence that corresponds without using ancient history, because I am already aware of your debate style of pulling up irrelevant info to stack against current info. You couldn't do it. You immediately went for the safety of the past.
In section 4 I explained how extreme thinking is different from extreme behavior. I feel this is the most important point. Thinking should be unlimited, but violent behavior invalidates the point, even if there ever was one. Once a person or group turns to violence to carry out their plan, they have given up using their intelligence to make their case. Violence = stupidity. If a group is too stupid to amke a valid case, they just strike out, and that's when they become dangerous. It's because they've run out of ideas and become disassociative, no longer thinking of the opposition as fellows, just "the enemy".
I complete the post by saying in the battle of brain vs. braun, I hope that love will win out in the end. Particularly when I talk about morals, you are conspicuously quiet. It was the same in the racism "debates". You never responded to any question I asked that said "where is your heart?" You want to separate your narrow thinking from any sort of application into the broader picture, which I find incredibly immature. This is not a comment on your age, many who are far older use the same tactics, but I don't have any respect for them either.
In our discussions, you have stood up for racism and right-wing control. Even if you are only playing devil's advocate (which I doubt is wholly true) you have chosen to represent much that is ugly in our culture. I have stood up for equality for all, tolerance for different ways of life (even yours), an end to racism and hatred, and made impassioned pleas to find ways to love each other instead of hate. I feel good about my time spent here.
I resent having to re-post every sentence just because you want to make things difficult for me, if you don't want to be treated like a child, try not acting like one.