Pensions Push Taxes Higher

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  1. B_Marius567

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    Cities across the nation are raising property taxes, largely citing rising pension and health-care costs for their employees and retirees.
    In Pennsylvania, the township of Upper Moreland is bumping up property taxes for residents by 13.6% in 2011. Next door the city of Philadelphia this year increased the tax 9.9%. In New York, Saratoga Springs will collect 4.4% more in property taxes in 2011; Troy will increase taxes by 1.9%
    Pensions Push Property Taxes Higher - WSJ.com

    you have to work your ass off so someone can sit on his ass.
     
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    Obama made more gov jobs in such a short time. Gov has already failed in doing it's job just like all the fed,state,cty,tnsps in this country have for 30 years. We will all pay dearly for their pensions and great health care.

    He also just left on vacation with air force one stopping to pick up guests. No traditional X-Mas in the white house instead the most expensive X-Mas spent by a president. His second return to his homeland.

    It seems that the only solution is revolution.
     
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    This is bullshit. Pensions are causing budget issues because tax revenue is too low, not because pensions are too high. These people worked their asses off, making less money than they would in the private sector, on the promise of decent benefits.

    They're hardworking people like you and me. They deserve pensions and good benefits.

    You're buying the line the rich, who don't want to pay taxes, are feeding you. Don't side against the working man.

    Obama didn't make more jobs, actually federal jobs are down on the year. Federal employment only spiked during temporary census hiring.
     
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    how much property taxes will you pay? $10.000?

    its $1.500 a year for a small condo in st. Louis so high people are moving out of st. louis where the property taxes is $480 for a condo.
     
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    Property taxes are set by the communities to which they are paid. The Federal Government plays no role in the setting of property taxes.
     
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    Not wanting to argue with you but being around federal agencies I've seen a lot of new job opening and trying to remember where I saw the stats about six months ago where all the new gov jobs. I'll try to find that.

    I beleive anyone who works hard deserves good pay and benies. That leaves out most gov employees. The only two jobs that people work hard for the people are police and firemen of course that's not federal. You should see the useless people working for the VA centers. Cut backs for the vets keep coming, but the people always hear just the opposite. This gov does nothing but lie.

    Also benifits are worth alot and save the worker his life savings if he gets ill. I've been there and know how much I could have lost.

    Here in rural Tn property taxes went up18%. Over 70% on welfare,unemployment over 20%,of course they don't want to work here anyway and now 99 weeks to get lazier.

    I was one of those working men for 38 years. Wondering how much my pension is worth next year if it's there.

    Thanks for the comments. Even if we disagree it's good to hear people care.
     
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    Don't worry, I already knew the data, which is why I said it:

    Notes On Government Employment - NYTimes.com

    This is just bullshit propaganda. Government employees are no more lazy or worthless than any other employee.

    They are worth alot, people shouldn't be taliking about cutting them.

    I don't Texas's specific tax situation, but I'm guessing that overall taxes are way too low. That's the case in California as well.

    But you're saying that unemployment is because people don't want to work. That's dumb. There's 5 people for every job. If you think welfare and unemployment are such a sweet deal, you've never been on them.

    If it's not there, it's not because of Obama. It's because the rich are trying to fuck you.
     
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    I've always been too much of an entrepreneur to trade the majority of my life working for someone else in the hope that I would have a comfortable retirement. Granted, like most people I spent a good number of years working for someone else, AKA da Man. However, I don't begrudge those who do work hard at county, city, state, and federal government jobs. And I certainly believe those to do dedicate their lives to jobs that sustain the social architecture and structure of the USA deserve a decent retirement. I'm especially supportive of improving Veterans Hospitals for those who have served and sacrificed for the safety and freedom of the USA.

    But anyone who believed, or still believes, in the 401K and ROTH bullshit has my greatest sympathy. However, don't expect me to extend you any loans. Coming from a long line of farming families it was always impressed upon me that with enough dirt one could always live decently by growing and selling produce and animals. None of my ancestors planned to get rich from farming, only to earn enough to have what they would need during their entire lives to live modestly. For me, this world view still makes sense.

    Whenever people ask "What do you do?" I've been avoiding their inquiries with, "I'm just retired." And in a way, it's sort of true. However, I'll always be on the look out for buying and selling property, renting furnished vacation flats to Northern Europeans with too much money, and accruing the nickels, dimes, quarters, and dollars attached to the markup of drinks and meals people insist upon sucking down in a bar/restaurant rather than at home.

    The idea of liquidating everything and not having to worry about taxes in three different countries just to sit around and read and drink in the sunshine -- well, I already do all of that. I just cannot trust in the idea that a traditional retirement will be enough to keep me able to do the things that I still want to accomplish. I've tried encouraging my Nevada neighbors to think about taking on the spirit of a little bit of entrepreneurship, but those who are interested don't seem to have the creative instinct necessary. And there are far too many ranchers who have sold off their property and now spend their time making birdhouses out of old barn wood. And beaded Native American jewelry is sort of redundant without much of a market with the tourists zooming along Interstate 80 between SLC and San Francisco.

    Last year The Squeeze and I took off for several months to start a small loan program in Oaxaca, Mexico. Amazingly, people who have absolutely nothing are highly motivated to apply for a $50 to $100 loan to buy materials/tools/paint to create things they can sell to tourists for hard cash. We don't make any money off of the loan project, the idea was to spread the idea of self sufficiency or reignite it, and it's still a major success. All profits made from the small interest accrued from those tiny loans is made available to make more loans for others who have the spirit and energy to make their own living out of nothing but their own enthusiasm.

    I also know many people with my same disease of self-subsistence who have a life history of failed enterprises. Bad luck, timing or simply not having a knack of successfully running a business is the risk one takes.

    One of the biggest problems I seen in the USA, especially among the "retired" members of the Elko Chamber of Commerce, is that spirit of creating a free-enterprise entity no longer exists. Sure, it's easy for someone who isn't responsible for the paychecks of others to whine that the USA doesn't produce anything anymore. And that whine contains a great deal of truth. But there's more to it than that. Americans tend to be lazy and expect someone else take care of them. I find this especially true of the Tea Baggers who are only concerned about "Where is mine?!" I'm probably the only member of Elko's Chamber of Commerce who could be accused of being a liberal. But given the option of making more money and becoming a real fat cat, I prefer to give money to those who are in need (that's real leftist, liberal, commie pinko thinking).

    I'll continue to proceed as my grandfathers and my dad did and invest enough time to keep my LLC's and SA's alive and well, just as they kept their farming and ranching concerns viable. What is produced on my chunk of Nevada dirt is shared by the ranch hands and the surplus is handed over to local food banks and the Shoshone tribe's distribution center.

    There's no guarantee that my life will continue to be as good as I've planned it, but the same is to be said for those who have worked all their lives for someone else only to discover -- as the Enron employees learned -- that there is nothing at the end of their lives to sustain them. After all, the USA economy can only support a finite number of Walmarts.

    So, here's something to chew on: what do campesinos in one of Mexico's poorest States and who have nothing know that the lower and middle class of "the greatest country in the world" doesn't?

    Next week there will be a surprise quiz. :rolleyes:

    Edit: And here's a free answer -- pensions are not responsible for pushing taxes higher. So, if you pay attention, next week you'll get at least one answer correct.
     
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    Lower tax revenue due to lower (or in some cases no) wages is what is pushing taxes higher.
     
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    Typical liberal folly... "it's a revenue problem, not a spending problem".

    The public employee unions are destroying the US, like they do many European nations. The pension system is antiquated. Yet there are many liberals who feel corporate America isn't paying enough (even DIRECTLY... my gawd) into the public employee pension system.
     
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    :I find this especially true of the Tea Baggers who are only concerned about "Where is mine?!":

    Nice fucking try here... you know it's the opposite.

    Wow... no disrespect, but you either just blather along or subscribe to the stupidest fucking stupid shit.
     
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    "Pensions are causing budget issues because tax revenue is too low, not because pensions are too high."

    Such a shame that ppl think this is the case. Yet they do none of the math. Pensions are BEYOND revenue streams in the BEST of BEST CASE SCENARIOS.

    Irregardless, where do you think/expect the revenues to come... another fake dot.com era?

    Wake fucking up.
     
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    Wow... no disrespect, but you either just blather along or subscribe to the stupidest fucking stupid shit................pot, kettle, black.
     
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    No disrespect? Really? Maybe you should quit drinking vodka through a straw and adding something substantial to the thread rather than your fly by trolling. Your jumps in whatever ill-formed logic you post are so black and white it's obvious you have a serious problem -- or several.
     
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    Don't you all just love it when a troll's true colors are aflame whenever they use non words like this? What more evidence do we need to understand that not only is the poster drunk, but he never did well in school, especially 8th grade English. Just imagine how keen his math skills must be.
     
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    The problem is that far too many state, county and city governments made promises generations ago that they simply can no longer keep, even in good economic conditions.

    Skyrocketing health care costs for retired public workers and their surviving spouses add strain to local public finances as well.

    Scaling back those benefits would pose daunting legal challenges, so local governments have little choice but to cut back on services, typically across the board.

    As always, the path of least resistance always seems to be borrowing from future generations.






     
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    Not exactly correct. The rich aren't TRYING to fuck us, they ARE.

    This is closer to the actual cause of the problem than any of the previous bullshit mentioned. Most pension plans, including Social Security, don't adequately take into account the rise in costs of medicine, living expenses, etc.
     
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    You don't think that tax revenues have been cut by the economic downturn? You think governments shouldn't have to pay their obligations to people who put in their 30 years?

    To take your "logic", if I suffer a cut in wages, I should just be able to say to my mortgage company and credit card company: "I'm just not going to send you the required payment anymore and you'll just have to deal with it".

    Pensions are fixed overhead. If you don't like them, cut them for new employees, but you have to pay the obligations you've already agreed to.
     
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    Irregardless.... "irregardless" is not a word... but whatever

    We haven't had best case scenarios in decades. The last 30 years have been put on the mastercard.
     
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    Irregardless... is a word dipfuck...look it up, and realize I use it to spite the pettiness of linguistics amidst a porn board. Back to the topic ya phony baloney....
     
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