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I can't quite help thinking this is not the best explanation of people's confidence or lack thereof.

Anyone remember that movie where Erick Stoltz plays a kid with a horribly genetically disfigured face (his mother was played by Cher)? I forget the name of the movie but anyway...the kid, despite the fact he has this hugely freakin' ugly-as-hell face is supremely confident and outgoing.

[Edit: ok...just found the movie - it's Mask (1985)
Look at the tagline for the movie:
They told 16-year-old Rocky Dennis he could never be like everyone else. So he was determined to be better.]


Yes, he got picked on but something about him didn't let it get to him. To the point you could see he had friends despite his 'true ugliness'. By all rights by your theory Lucas this kid should've been the lowest of the low. Yet there he was - so confident, cheerful and successful Hollywood ended up making a movie about him.

From what I've been studying on human nature there's more to it than just what you're stating.

Another example: Martin Seligman and one of his co-workers showed that DOGS have a range of reactions to experiments that were designed to see how they would respond to painful challenges.

Result: They found these dogs had a gamut of reactions. From give-up and lay down to die dogs to dogs that had a win-at-any-cost attitude and just didn't know the meaning of the word quit.

I mean...this is DOGS! I don't see anyone positing dogs as somehow having low self-esteem or high self-esteem (and that's always one of the things asserted one needs to have confidence). To even have self-esteem means that being has to be aware of itself.

There is more to these situations than just saying our confidence levels are all slaves to our circumstances and whatever crap Society may or may not throw at us.

Even for dogs...

Well, I'll respond with this. A quote from the post you replied to where I compared confidence in height between a man with a widely accepted and applauded height (6 feet like me) who never was anxious about it and a shorter man whose height is NOT widely accepted and applauded:

"Ask a guy about 5' 2" if he's as confident about his height as I would be. Unless he escaped ridicule or mentally overcome the social wall of ridicule from larger culture chances are he WON'T be."

There are people who derive confidence from different sources taking those things to override any insecurities in other realms. Those who may have been once ridiculed but set up a mental routine that overrode that feeling of insecurity. Then those who never faced ridicule to begin with and got much support from peers. Also it helps to have a countermedia that applauds your uniqueness and value to parry off the usual media that degrades you.

You might wanna see this clip from Paula Zahn now. A guy who is a police officer and was in the U.S. Army. A shorter man who has accomplished some things in life. Things that should bring confidence. Listen as he relates his story of suicidal thoughts to the reporter. Some may look confident but it could be a mask for a public image.

YouTube - Heightism Interview

Some more clips to look at. Bet you didn't know sperm banks discriminate against short men donating. Even China has height bias regardless that East Asians tend to be shorter people on average. I've seen clips of Asian women putting down their own men because of their height. Very shocking to me. A revelation.

YouTube - S&M: Short and Male - Women Hate Short Sperm

YouTube - S&M: Short and Male - NOSSA is For Real

YouTube - S&M: Short and Male - Heightism in China

YouTube - Why Asian Girls Go For White Guys

The kid from Mask also had a mother, played by Cher, who gave him strong grounding allowing him a mental refuge from any cruelty and harsh treatment. I received this as well which is why I'm not too anxious when people ridicule me for whatever reason.

Most likely if you've been consistently knocked down directly or indirectly in the larger culture, you will NOT have confidence in the particular realm you are downed for. Without a decent countermedia in place, it will be an uphill climb.

Some factors in this have to do with personality makeup, the particular chemistry ratios running in your brain. Some people can deal with slights better than other purely based off of this. That's the only internal defense and as we all know everybody is not created equally.

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Dogs, you say. Hmhmhmhmhm. If a dog is treated badly by human beings often from a young age, that dog will feel less confident around human beings either running away or guarding against the human being. Like say some person threw a bucket at its head, a dog grows wary around other human beings as a result. It would take the dog a longer time to trust people than ordinary. Who SAYS a dog isn't self-aware? It has nothing to do with self-esteem. It has to do with interaction with others. The Pavlov test. All animals including humans respond to this. Reinforcement.

A person who sings badly and is told strongly by many that their singing is bad will often not try to start a singing career under the guise that they are a good singer. A person who sings well and is told strongly by many that their singing is good may just try to pursue this talent in a singing career of some sort. Reinforcement.

Name something you are good at and then something you're bad at and tell me which of those would you pursue professionally. Tell me how you knew you were good at something and how you were bad at something and if anybody reinforced these attitudes throughout your life along the way.

I can't dance good (yes all black people can't dance...though i do a good fake job :biggrin1:) so I don't take myself seriously as a dancer. I dance as a joke to make people laugh and to mess around. HOWEVER, knowing my dancing isn't good I will NEVER try to embarrass myself by dancing in a professional realm because I know I'm not good at it. That would be taking it seriously meaning that I believed I had talent in dance.

I DO draw well, however, and actually am seeking a career in the arts field because I KNOW I can draw. It was reinforced over my lifetime from family, friends, and peers that I had talent in drawing. I hardly picked up a pencil to doodle in life, checked out a Fat Albert book from the children's library when I was 8 year old 3rd grader (I used to love that show), looked at the drawings and drew them nearly exact as they were in the book....FREEHAND not traced. At 8 years old. Hardly ever drew in life before that. My grandmother was impressed, truly impressed by my ability...Over the years, teachers and friends/classmates have complimented in TRUTH (not to make me feel better) about my drawing ability. My art teacher in high school encouraged me that I was a good artist. I drew this big exhibit in my senior year in high school which got noticed by all the school and received many truthful compliments on my drawing ability. I have been asked to draw for special projects because the person believed in my ability. I drew people at work like on-the-spot sketchings of them—life captures—and they instantly reacted with favor saying I had talent in drawing.

With all this reinforcement it allowed me to think that while knowing I'm not nearly the best artist in the world I DO have some ability and am not afraid to SERIOUSLY show off my drawing talent. I have enough confidence in this realm of my life to pursue an art career. The actual reality I see myself matched with the overwhelming truthful regard for my works make me at least see that I have a chance in this field at the VERY least.

The same has been said about how I write and I don't fully see myself as a writer. A few people here have said I made beautiful posts. I'm just running my mouth and trying to make it interesting for the reader. But over the years being on the net, something I never even considered myself as (a writer), I have received many compliments on my style of writing where some people asked me to join aboard their sites to contribute some of my thoughts. So even though I don't take it as seriously as I do my art (and music) I must have SOMETHING valuable in what I do typing up all this text at the VERY least. Reinforcement.

Without reinforcement it's damned hard to build confidence. Direct and indirect. Ebony and Jet magazine helped black people build confidence in themselves when we saw ourselves in a better light than the watermelon-eating pinklipped widegrinning unintelligent slave archetype (Mammys and Andys). Seeing ourselves in popular media like magazines, music, TV, movies, helped us see a better road for ourselves. Indirect reinforcement. Nell Carter was still playing a stereotypical maid role in 1981 on Gimme a Break. In 1984, Bill Cosby said it's time to see ourselves in a new light on a broad scale creating the upper middle class professionals seen on The Cosby Show, those Huxtables. Which led to the creation of A Different World in 1987, another show detailing educated black people in college from diverse backgrounds. Countermedia working against the still present media that says blacks are inferior, right Dr. James Watson?

There is only true confidence. False confidence is a psych out and sometimes works as a good mask based on the skill of the user. You can only TRULY get confidence based on positive feedback...and amassed knowledge of reality supplanting popular theories of perception. Humans never naturally act on reality but their perception of reality which many times doesn't match reality. It takes skill and training to work from reality.

I was always told I was smart since I was reading before the age of 2. And they tested me by turning a book upside down. I turned it back right side up and continued moving my eyes from left to right...reading. My grandmother told me this because I don't remember this. Growing up I kept getting reinforced with the message that I am smart which made me believe I can think my way out of anything. I don't necessarily take smartness seriously (wisdom—intelligence + love—I prefer to seek) but I don't ever feel I'm dumb in most matters. In terms of cars, yes. :tongue: But because of that reinforcement I don't feel like my cousin who was treated as dumb all his life and placed in special classes by the school that he really didn't belong in (he's not developmentally challenged at all). He never feels confident in his intelligence and it makes me sad because he's not dumb. They did this to many blacks placing them in special ed classes largely based on skin color.

It DOES come from the outside most of all. Without reinforcement it is hard to have confidence.
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Superlarge, not all women are morons.
We know that dick size is a fucking GAMBLE.

Asshole,nice,tall,short,fat,thin,black,white....
non of it matters...

it's all up to the GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha.

I've met plenty of 'nice' guys with nice size dicks.

And I've met plenty of bad ass'............ with uh .....
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I don't make assumptions that a nice guy has a small dick or that an asshole has a big one. I have also found from experience that this is not the case.

Of the guys I've been with, the one who was the biggest asshole was larger than average, but then, the nicest guy I've been with was ALSO larger than average!

And I have heard (from more than one person) that the guy who I was most attracted to of anyone I've ever met (unfortunately he was not available to me...), both in looks AND personality, was VERY large!
 

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I guess it goes with that whole thing about gifted men being "cocky".. It is obviously possible to be both extremely gifted and nice, polite and friendly.

This goes on a tangent, but relates to dick size because you never know. For example, a friend of mine who has huge, gigantic bear hands is micro small. His wife confided in my sister... so just because a guy if nice, or has huge hands and feet---ya never know until you get to inspect the goods...
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(continued)

Dogs, you say. Hmhmhmhmhm. If a dog is treated badly by human beings often from a young age, that dog will feel less confident around human beings either running away or guarding against the human being. Like say some person threw a bucket at its head, a dog grows wary around other human beings as a result. It would take the dog a longer time to trust people than ordinary. Who SAYS a dog isn't self-aware? It has nothing to do with self-esteem. It has to do with interaction with others. The Pavlov test. All animals including humans respond to this. Reinforcement.


Yes we respond to reinforcement. But we're all getting a mix of positive and negative reinforcement all the time. And confidence in one area can and does spill over for many people into other areas. Why else does Nossa exist? They have the confidence to effect change. If they truly despaired they wouldn't try - after all, they're just reading the temperature of the culture right? For that matter your save-the-small-height men would be doomed too.

And you're the first person ever I've seen to claim that dogs know that they know. I guess we need to start holding dogs to high moral standards. That pit bull attacking and slaughtering smaller dogs knows he acted evil.

But really...what has anything about short-heighted men got to do with the original question? Why do you keep dragging in examples that don't pertain exactly and specifically to the OPs question? Short height is a tangent no matter how you spin it since it's about short-height. Not dicks...which is what the original OP was questioning about.
 

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One other thing

JL...on the dog experiment you totally missed what the experiment was all about. It was not an experiment in conditioning or reinforcement. The researchers controlled for that. All these dogs (puppies and very young dogs actually) had no history of abuse and were healthy, happy dogs.

The experiment was designed to show how dogs will view the exact same set of brand new circumstances. Totally new...thus no chance of prior conditioning and reinforcement. And yet these dogs showed a range of knee-jerk reactions.

Some gave up whining and moping IMMEDIATELY. They threw in the towel from the get go. Other dogs lasted longer. Many a lot longer. One incredible dog didn't quit searching for a solution to the very end.

Their behaviors were identifiable to all of us as attitudes we see in ourselves and others. And you can't chalk it up to 'conditioning' and 'reinforcement' as that was controlled for.
 

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i couple of my friends were all fawning over one of their new boyfriends. dream boy model with perfect blond hair, I my self dropped my jaw when I saw him. He was an awesome dude very nice. But than the one dating was like yeah he's beautiful but hung like a light switch.
 

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Yes we respond to reinforcement. But we're all getting a mix of positive and negative reinforcement all the time. And confidence in one area can and does spill over for many people into other areas. Why else does Nossa exist? They have the confidence to effect change. If they truly despaired they wouldn't try - after all, they're just reading the temperature of the culture right? For that matter your save-the-small-height men would be doomed too.

And you're the first person ever I've seen to claim that dogs know that they know. I guess we need to start holding dogs to high moral standards. That pit bull attacking and slaughtering smaller dogs knows he acted evil.

But really...what has anything about short-heighted men got to do with the original question? Why do you keep dragging in examples that don't pertain exactly and specifically to the OPs question? Short height is a tangent no matter how you spin it since it's about short-height. Not dicks...which is what the original OP was questioning about.


I'm just putting out an example. Sometimes you have to look at a seemingly unrelated matter to find the parallel themes.
That cop who was in the Army, capable and all that, still had strong motivations for suicide based on how he was treated because of his height.

And it's a balancing scale. If you receive predominately one type of reinforcement over the other that predominant type will be predominant. EVERYBODY may not down you. You may get neutral response most likely. But it's the sum of experiences and the strength and context of those experiences which color you.

Let me tell you why NOSSA and every other support group exists.
COMMUNITY. Knowing you're not alone helps you feel a little better.

I've exampled the stages of overcoming a complex at Measurection as I continue to figure out how to TRULY eradicate any semblance of self-image problems permanently.

First step is COMMUNITY. Find those like you. A bunch of weaklings together will eventually become strength. Those in pain, those marginalized gather together to create collective strength. Without community it's very hard to pull yourself out of situations where you lack confidence.

Second step is EDUCATION. A step usually underutilized and undersupported. This is where I'm working the most by finding concrete practical solutions for marginalized groups. Stuff that can be listed in 1-2-3 steps and followed with an end result. Not just platitudes and well-wishes which COMMUNITY provide. That helps but it tends to leave people struggling with their self-image on step one, Community, alone never really progressing. With proper knowledge (reality set to problem-solve in solution) a person can build more condfidence.

Third step is ROLE MODELS. Seeing yourself OUTSIDE of yourself. A person LIKE you who succeeds based on their essence rather than in spite of it. Remember the examples I put down about black people with Ebony & Jet magazine? The Cosby Show? Media means centers, go-betweens, in-betweens, middles. Media is not just magazines, TV, movies, newspapers. It's anything that transmits a message from one source to another. The sources are the endposts and media is in-between them as the transmitter. Air is media, water is media, message boards are media, paintings/drawings are media, peers are media, family is media, friends are media, enemies are media, music is media. Anything, anything that transmits a message. Small-penised men get knocked everytime the song "Short Dick Man" plays in the club with people laughing and dancing to it. Mainstream pornography boosts large-penised men with people celebrating and cheering the images.
The character Wolverine from the X-Men was originally envisioned as a guy about 5' 3" and drawn as such. The movie hired a 6' 2" guy (Hugh Jackman) to play this role of a short superhero. Imagine if they had the guts to place a short man in that role. Imagine how it could have boosted the confidence of short men suffering from height complexes to see themselves in a celebratory light.
Role models are people in your everyday life and people we see from afar through various media. Even imaginary characters. Mae Jemison wanted to become an astronaut purely because Nichelle Nichols played Uhura on TV's Star Trek in the 1960's. Uhura influenced Whoopi Goldberg as well who later jumped at the chance to play Guinan on Star Trek: The Next Generation. Very important step in building confidence.

Fourth Step is ASSESSMENT. A summary step taking all three of the previous ones and applying them to self. Beginning to view YOURSELF in the role of role model, using the education gathered and collected to separate perception from reality, and soothed by the community which supports you. It's a prepatory step that is like planning your route on an upcoming road trip. The pre-plan stage. Taking your being and realizing the inherent value and ability of it.

Fifth Step is FEARLESSNESS/COURAGE. This is the step where you LIVE what you have learned and are finally free from the complex in total forever. No word can knock your confidence and no reaction can sway your belief in yourself. The most difficult step to reach and I don't know if hardly anybody has mastered it yet because for some reason insecurity can pop back up again unexpectedly. Once you're here though, you are cured of your insecurity complex. You in action who may become a role model for someone else. The nitro in the gas tank. The fuel that propels you forward. That's what this step is. Road map already routed and planned and now you're following the path.

The biggest mistake people make is seeing another image issue and assuming it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. That's absolutely false. If you study it, you see the same themes pop up and the story sounds much the same in theme. The individual details are different but overall it's the same story.

'Maximal's' image issues come from a feeling of "freak of nature". The overdeveloped. The "too tall" and the "big eared" and the "big breasted" and the "too smart" and the "too fat". All of them come from a different path towards their image issue than others. They feel alien towards that feature of their form as if an invader or parasite. The part or trait has almost equal regard as the entire human being in their eyes. As if they are fighting a portion of themselves for supremacy.

'Minimal's' image issues come from a feeling of abandonment and neglect. The underdeveloped. The "too short" and the "small-penised" and the "flat chested" and the "too dumb" and the "too weak". All of them come from a different path towards their image issue than others. They feel as if their development process was prematurely aborted and they were left stranded. They feel incomplete. They concentrate on the lack and always envision what "should be there". And they tend to blame themselves for the lack as if it was destined because of who they are.

All this I came up with on my own reading people's stories. I saw all kinds of image issues and these same themes popped up. They are very much valid and people would do well to study other issues and find the parallels. It will be a learning experience I guarantee you. You will look at the world totally different.
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One other thing

JL...on the dog experiment you totally missed what the experiment was all about. It was not an experiment in conditioning or reinforcement. The researchers controlled for that. All these dogs (puppies and very young dogs actually) had no history of abuse and were healthy, happy dogs.

The experiment was designed to show how dogs will view the exact same set of brand new circumstances. Totally new...thus no chance of prior conditioning and reinforcement. And yet these dogs showed a range of knee-jerk reactions.

Some gave up whining and moping IMMEDIATELY. They threw in the towel from the get go. Other dogs lasted longer. Many a lot longer. One incredible dog didn't quit searching for a solution to the very end.

Their behaviors were identifiable to all of us as attitudes we see in ourselves and others. And you can't chalk it up to 'conditioning' and 'reinforcement' as that was controlled for.

One more thing.
You forgot where I mentioned internal brain chemistry. Some personalities can cope better with certain situations than others. We don't like to think of ourselves like this but we are machines. Divine machines full of water and carbon. Self-automated robots of bone and tissue. The brain and its various chemical hormonal interactions color a lot of what you'll be too. It's the only internal protection. The way your brain works.

But a lot of it still comes from outside. If it didn't then why do so many of a certain group suffer from complexes of whatever sort?
Certain people if built a certain way can handle almost anything. They are designed for it. The attributes are not given equally or fairly by the Creator. Some are pre-equipped with the right tools for a situation and as they go through life these things go into action. The programming, the instinct was wired a certain way and they are just acting according to plan.
And then some are not and without the plan have no proper way of handling the situation.


You said knee-jerk. Doesn't that stand for built-in instinct? Prepackaged programming? These individuals never need help in that realm because they were programmed for it.
Michael Jackson was born to sing and dance. He never really had to LEARN anything. He just refined what he already had preprogrammed. He was born with the ability dancing in tune to a washing machine at the age of 1, an infant with a diaper on. That's what his mama said about him. His brother Marlon couldn't dance and at one time was gonna get kicked off the group by his daddy because he couldn't keep up. He learned the hard way through diligent practice how to dance and became the 2nd best dancer in the Jackson 5 right under that natural, Michael.


Most people aren't equipped with the tools from birth to deal with life's complexities. Most have to learn through education how to overcome. If not faced with positive reinforcement they can falter. The natural doesn't need this and is irrelevant to the discussion. They are just acting from their natural inborn instincts and talents.

Outside of those who have inborn ability, reinforcement is crucial to building confidence in a being. Most people have to train. Only a few can work with no cue cards, all improv.

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What are reading posts on message boards going to actually TRAIN people to do? Seriously? What specific, identifiable actions can the nice guy small penis man of the OP's original post take away from your long, rambling polemics to actually implement improve their lot?

Seriously...I'd like to hear the specific actions they need to take. You've outlined your Steps. Now take it up a notch and deliver hardcore solutions.

p.s. can you PLEASE start practicing getting a point across with precise brevity? Or else get someone to edit for you before you post again. I skim most of your posts because I know the majority of it adds nothing to the discussion.
 
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If you want to criticize at least be nice about it. We Tolstoyan writers like to envelope readers with our themes as people frequently don't understand them otherwise. If you need to skim then skim. Brevity isn't necessarily better.

Yes, it would be nice to have specifics. I know I could use them :biggrin1:

I think John's posts are great as they being articulate and complex thoughts to LPSG. His presence is far more valuable than the vast number of cranks and illiterates that usually populate forums.
 
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i couple of my friends were all fawning over one of their new boyfriends. dream boy model with perfect blond hair, I my self dropped my jaw when I saw him. He was an awesome dude very nice. But than the one dating was like yeah he's beautiful but hung like a light switch.

That is why being small sucks. You could have every other attribute in the world but once what is in your pants is discovered all those things melt away. It's that one, "flaw," to quote njqt466, that negates all the other attributes in the minds of very many men and women. It's natural selection I suppose.

Little of this mattered back in the days when women married as virgins and never saw a man's penis until her wedding night. Now it's very out in the open and people who are otherwise smart, intelligent, and caring will reject you for that one flaw. I see it here at LPSG all the time. People I respect, who have gone out of their way to help or compliment me-- and, I believe, actually like me as a person, will then turn around and say that none of that matters in light of my endowment. Lot of guys and girls here like me, but they wouldn't ever consider me for a romantic or sexual relationship. That's how pernicious the bias is against modestly hung guys.

Sexual compatibility in a relationship is important. If you don't find smaller guys can satisfy you then so be it. Just don't ridicule me and guys like myself and then go post drivel like, Be happy with what you have! or Learn to use it right! in the Making It Bigger forum because that's like saying, Be happy you're substandard in our estimation.
 

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Just don't ridicule me and guys like myself and then go post drivel like, Be happy with what you have! or Learn to use it right! in the Making It Bigger forum because that's like saying, Be happy you're substandard in our estimation.

Sorry Jason, but I don't agree. I have said similar things to guys who wish they had a bigger dick and did not mean "be happy, you are substandard". I do mean- "move on, there's not much you can do to change what your genetics gave you." Just do the best with what you've got. btw- yours doesn't look small, it looks perfectly normal.

Being nice doesn't mean a guy is small in the pants. In fact it could be just the opposite- a big one gives a guy confidence and confident people are usually nice. Unconfident people can be diffident or they can be assholes.
 

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If you want to criticize at least be nice about it.

I am being nice. Where was I not being nice? :confused: I was just pointing out he'll get more people reading if he is succinct and clear. Read any professional books or guidelines for writing for journals, newspapers, magazines, books, etc. They all stress that's a point of good writing.

To accomplish anything you first have to capture then maintain your audience's attention. He needs to start practicing the skill of editing. As it is he's far too in love with his own words and it reduces the impact of what he's saying.

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We Tolstoyan writers like to envelope readers with our themes as people frequently don't understand them otherwise. If you need to skim then skim. Brevity isn't necessarily better.

Verbosity isn't better when only Tolstoyans such as yourself read everything he throws in there. And much of what he threw in there was beside the point and had little to do with the OPs original post. It was all tangent side spin.

I suppose it may be the tendency of Tolstoyans to presume the stupidity of their audience (ie. "people frequently don't understand them otherwise") - hence their compulsion for verbosity.

Actually I think John Lucas needs to post his hardcore solutions at Measure - the site for men with small penises (that's the site's stated purpose for existing after all - to support average-hung men), not LPSG. And if an average size man has a problem with his average size he'll have a much higher chance of finding solutions at Measure. Not at Big Dick sites like LPSG.

LPSG is supposed to be the place for solutions for men with extremely large penises and the problems it causes,
not the average ones...(something I notice from John Lucas prior posts he poo-poos as being nowhere near as deserving of help as for the average hung. Truly some penis problems are more equal than other penis problems.)

I find it odd that there are far more topics at LPSG about average size penises than the men whom this site was supposedly designed to support.
 

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Just don't ridicule me and guys like myself and then go post drivel like, Be happy with what you have! or Learn to use it right!

I don't think the regulars at LPSG do that. Or at least I've not seen any of that going on with them. They've all been quite civil - gay or straight.
 

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That is why being small sucks. You could have every other attribute in the world but once what is in your pants is discovered all those things melt away. It's that one, "flaw," to quote njqt466, that negates all the other attributes in the minds of very many men and women. It's natural selection I suppose.

Little of this mattered back in the days when women married as virgins and never saw a man's penis until her wedding night. Now it's very out in the open and people who are otherwise smart, intelligent, and caring will reject you for that one flaw. I see it here at LPSG all the time. People I respect, who have gone out of their way to help or compliment me-- and, I believe, actually like me as a person, will then turn around and say that none of that matters in light of my endowment. Lot of guys and girls here like me, but they wouldn't ever consider me for a romantic or sexual relationship. That's how pernicious the bias is against modestly hung guys.

Sexual compatibility in a relationship is important. If you don't find smaller guys can satisfy you then so be it. Just don't ridicule me and guys like myself and then go post drivel like, Be happy with what you have! or Learn to use it right! in the Making It Bigger forum because that's like saying, Be happy you're substandard in our estimation.


What you said here bolded and reddened is why EXACTLY I'm trying to sort out perception from reality in order to create solutions. Mixed messages can be harmful.

What you said here jason_els is EXACTLY what many small men go through which causes all the angst. I'm trying to sort through all the fluff and the sayings that come from people's emotion-padding towards another (which comes from their compassionate nature) to get a concrete reality YET not just end it bluntly without hope. To SHOW reality YET STILL give a solution.

No one can be happy being rejected. It is impossible and no human being will stand for it nor should they. I see all the time reading Yahoo Answers and kinds of message boards with guys labeling themselves as nice in a quandry on why they can't gain access to female contact in a non-platonic way. Sure, all guys who call themselves "nice" aren't necessarily so but it IS a theme that being kind will get you nowhere in the dating game. And everybody says "don't change, stay as you are" but in the same stream of thought show why staying the same won't gain that person any results.

If you understand the total workings of a mechanism, there will be no more frustration. When you had a VCR and couldn't figure out how to get it off Flashing 12:00AM you got frustrated and fed up. Exasperated at the whole ordeal and will most likely quit on it. The same with untangling Christmas lights. Without understanding line theory and how to trace a string path in a bundle, how to reverse knots, it will be impossible for you to deal with which is why most people just tumble the whole lot into a big box and pack away for next year.

The reason "nice guys" get frustrated is because they are trying to peel an orange with a band-aid. Trying to grill frankfurters on tree leaves. Trying to build high-rises with beach water as the building materials. They don't understand the proper mechanism and the proper tools in how to make it work. They are usually dependent on the randomness of chance and luck to find a woman. That trite overused "there's someone out there" line. Or the "when you least expect it" refrain. Or the "don't look for it and then it will come" cliché. And the favorite "When Mrs. Right comes along, you'll know" story. That is not how it's done.

They get mixed messages trying to ask women directly who may or may not know the answer themselves. They try following some of this advice and still no results. Hence the continued bafflement at the whole phenomenon. Yet they still try to win using the same tactics refusing to modify the strategy.

A cheap answer may be "do what the guy who gets all the women does". It's a start but everybody is created differently and what may work for him may not work for you. You all have different attributes.

There are men in this world who have NEVER gone out on a "date" and have more women than they can handle. They meet them in the passing by and using the proper tools and knowing the proper mechanism they get repeated success. Men who never bring flowers and candy. Men who NEVER spend a lot of money in restaurants. Men who on first try alone gets a woman to follow him back to the bedroom, and more after that. Repeatedly.

Ha! Here you go. There are men who don't even HAVE "game" and don't NEED "game" to score women. They can attract by essence alone without speaking a word. A few eyebrow movements and a certain look in the eyes. A certain way of getting close and initiating contact. A certain way of exciting the women where the woman allows herself to be wrapped up in the euphoria.

"Game" is the lesser form in reality. Hahahahahaha! Some don't need to work fancy words and talk to entice.

If you knew HOW the mechanism worked and all the details therein you will NEVER be unsuccessful in your pursuit. Things are hardest with the least knowledge. When knowledge is had, things are astoundingly easy and are so easy they can become second nature.

When a nice guy is seen, he is assumed not to have pull on women like he should. He's a bit of a sucker. He's a bit of a mark. Which in some instances can be useful for a woman willing to exploit this on the guy. But if he HAD the pull on women like he should have, his attitude would be of a different flavor. It can be mistakenly called jerk and jackass by the one not in the know but this attitude is the natural result of success. Repeated success. And it is derived from the secure knowledge of what makes the mechanism operate.

One clue: Women respond to features and actions that trigger the hormones in the brain. They are looking for stimulation. Sensual. Any woman can say she won't do this and she won't do that when not in the moment but if the opportunity presented itself and you knew how to trigger her responses, she will...willingly.

WHAT you say means jackshit. Those are just droning tones that give background noise to the mainshow you put on. Your mannerisms and your physical and mental features that trigger certain pathways in the woman's mind allowing her instinctual sexual soccer goalie to stand down are what does the REAL work.

Most men don't have total mastery over this process but have enough of what is needed to gain serious progress. These have enough of the criteria to get most women.
Guys seen as "nice" are seen as naïve. The word 'nice' comes from Latin via French meaning 'not in the know'. 'Nescius' 'Ne' = 'No, Not'; 'Scius' = 'Know'

Interesting tangent on this word. That 'sci' wordpart is the same word for 'science' ('scientia') which means 'knowledge'. No Science, Nice Guy. A big No-No to No-Know. Naïve comes from a French word calling you simple, rustic, rube. Nativus is the original Latin form. Those backwards natives we Holy Romans empired. Just polite euphemized ways of calling you DUMB. Hahahahaha!

Yes, it's an insult. And by proclaiming demand for "nice guys" the wheat is separated from the chaff with the guys 'in the know' making out like bandits while the 'nice' guys are bedazzled, bewildered, and bamboozled (starring Spike Lee).

Hence this rule of thumb marker that is the title of this post. "Perception: very nice guy = small/average dick." The fact that this rule of thumb exists tells that penis size is much more important than is let on publicly.

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I am being nice. Where was I not being nice? :confused: I was just pointing out he'll get more people reading if he is succinct and clear. Read any professional books or guidelines for writing for journals, newspapers, magazines, books, etc. They all stress that's a point of good writing.

To accomplish anything you first have to capture then maintain your audience's attention. He needs to start practicing the skill of editing. As it is he's far too in love with his own words and it reduces the impact of what he's saying.



Verbosity isn't better when only Tolstoyans such as yourself read everything he throws in there. And much of what he threw in there was beside the point and had little to do with the OPs original post. It was all tangent side spin.

I suppose it may be the tendency of Tolstoyans to presume the stupidity of their audience (ie. "people frequently don't understand them otherwise") - hence their compulsion for verbosity.

Actually I think John Lucas needs to post his hardcore solutions at Measure - the site for men with small penises (that's the site's stated purpose for existing after all - to support average-hung men), not LPSG. And if an average size man has a problem with his average size he'll have a much higher chance of finding solutions at Measure. Not at Big Dick sites like LPSG.

LPSG is supposed to be the place for solutions for men with extremely large penises and the problems it causes,
not the average ones...(something I notice from John Lucas prior posts he poo-poos as being nowhere near as deserving of help as for the average hung. Truly some penis problems are more equal than other penis problems.)

I find it odd that there are far more topics at LPSG about average size penises than the men whom this site was supposedly designed to support.


You don't understand it Serene Blue but by coming here I AM learning about ways to help the smaller guys. I have to learn the whole spectrum of experiences to REALLY understand anything.
Sexologists NEVER state the stuff I hear in here. They either don't know or won't tell. Here you are getting frank honest details about the life experiences of large-sized men and the women who love them. You get to see by the language and tone expressed where the mood is. How other different men react to the whole situation and the way THEY talk and express themselves. Message boards are a TREASURE CHEST of insight and info to get to the bottom of how people view phenomena.

HERE I HAVE learned of the TRULY significant issues that larger men face to take it back to the smaller men for comparison. To inform THEM about what guys HERE face.
But let's get real. A millionaire is not going to have as many problems as a person living check to check.

Problems are NOT equal. Me getting hungry late at night is nowhere NEAR as severe as a 4-year old kid in Rwanda squat down over the ground with a vulture standing nearby waiting for him to die. There was a picture of that, you know.

I have to understand ALL of the issues if I am gonna REALLY solve these situations. As a black man I can't just study black issues to stop racial discrimination. I might have to look into Mexican issues and Asian issues and Arabian issues. Different in the details, same in the themes. I will gain a broader more versatile and complete viewpoint on the matter which will aid my ability to problem-solve.

Myopia and self-asborption will only get you so far. We all have a common bond.
John Lucas